Is it McDermott or Brady?

[Jay_Fixit]

After that 4th down call I'd have fired McDermott and Brady on the spot. 

[Nihilarian]

We unquestionably have an injury problem, and the defensive players need to talk to the O-line players to find out what they are doing to stay healthy.

 

Injuries are not the head coaches or GM's fault. Injuries are part of the game, while some teams accrue more than others for some reason. 

 

As bad as the Buffalo defense was in the first half, it was all on Buffalo OC Joe Brady to set up a scheme that didn't involve getting his QB killed. Other teams face a ton of blitzing and pass rush pressure, and they don't fold like lawn chairs.

They can beat a blitz by using quick passes, changing the play at the line of scrimmage, or employing effective blocking schemes to protect the quarterback. Quarterbacks with good decision-making skills can also exploit the defense's weaknesses by recognizing the blitz and adjusting their plays accordingly.

 

Instead of quick outs or max protection, this OC kept calling for deep drop-back passes of 5-7 step drops to hit a big play. If I ever see a WR screen to Shakir, I'll want to strangle someone. Just keep handing off on first down over and over. 

[popcornpam]

5 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

So the plan isn't made off the cuff during the game, right?

 

Brady and McD formulate it throughout the week.

 

So who is this on? Both. 

During his press conference on Monday, he said it’s a short week so we’re not gonna change much so there it is played the same bad plays. They did a couple weeks ago. 

Edited 5 hours ago by popcornpam

[Kelly to Allen]

3 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I know it's cool to hate McDermott right now, but I promise you he did not watch our offense hang 40 points in a win and pull Brady aside to chastise him for scoring too much lol. Houston is just a lot better defensively than Tampa is and both of our tackles seemed to be playing hurt.

 

I mean he just did a massive philosophy shift away after daboll....

 

Why?  

[Trogdor]

3 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I mean he just did a massive philosophy shift away after daboll....

 

Why?  

He blamed the offense after 13 seconds. If people didn't know then that he was the wrong coach then idk what they want. He wants a slow plodding offense that keeps his rotation heavy defense off the field. 

[DCOrange]

7 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

He blamed the offense after 13 seconds. If people didn't know then that he was the wrong coach then idk what they want. He wants a slow plodding offense that keeps his rotation heavy defense off the field. 

Where does this slow plodding offense fit into the fact that we are one of the highest scoring offenses every year?

 

During our streak of division wins, we've gone from averaging 2:59 per drive to 3:02. Do you really think those 3 seconds are the difference between being up-tempo and trying to score score score vs. just trying to kill the clock? We're also averaging fewer plays per drive and more yards per drive than the 13 seconds season.

[Kelly to Allen]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I know it's cool to hate McDermott right now, but I promise you he did not watch our offense hang 40 points in a win and pull Brady aside to chastise him for scoring too much lol. Houston is just a lot better defensively than Tampa is and both of our tackles seemed to be playing hurt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again nothing learned from the Tampa game 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Where does this slow plodding offense fit into the fact that we are one of the highest scoring offenses every year?

 

During our streak of division wins, we've gone from averaging 2:59 per drive to 3:02. Do you really think those 3 seconds are the difference between being up-tempo and trying to score score score vs. just trying to kill the clock? We're also averaging fewer plays per drive and more yards per drive than the 13 seconds season.

 

No for 2020, and not during the 21 playoff run....

[nosejob]

7 hours ago, IYKYK said:

You lost me at “great defensive coordinator” he is anything but that.

I didnt see a single blitz up until I quit watching in the 3rd.

[Trogdor]

53 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Where does this slow plodding offense fit into the fact that we are one of the highest scoring offenses every year?

 

During our streak of division wins, we've gone from averaging 2:59 per drive to 3:02. Do you really think those 3 seconds are the difference between being up-tempo and trying to score score score vs. just trying to kill the clock? We're also averaging fewer plays per drive and more yards per drive than the 13 seconds season.

2020 was our best offense when you consider PPG. Since then there has been a very clear shift to a running offense. It's real cool that it works in the regular season, but it's been sputtering in the postseason. Even the Ravens game last playoffs was a fluke thanks to the great field position. 

[TheFunPolice]

Was it McDermott or Dennision?

Was it McDermott or Daboll? 

Was it McDermott or Dorsey?

Was it McDermott or Brady?

Was it McDermott or _________ (next OC to be under fire by the end of 2027) 

 

Of the above, it was McDermott all the times except "Dabs" which is why Daboll was going to be gone with or without a HC gig. 

 

 

[notpolian]

It's Brady, but that means it's also McDermott. Brady demonstrated again last night that he is just not up to the job. 

 

This entire staff has run its course but with Pegula seemingly 99% clueless, I don't know that it'll ever change.

 

Sigh.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Based on post game comments by McD, it's mostly all on Brady.

 

Here's what I don't understand.  The Bills WR were not great last year, but we still had one of the top offenses in leage, Allen won MVP, it wasn't just because of his running ability.  While many wanted more improvements for 2025, seemed most felt the WR group was better this year than last with the addition of Palmer and Coleman having a year more experience.  The Coleman part hasn't worked out, but even there, statistically not any worse than last year.  Hollins was good last year , but he is far from a #1 WR.  Kincaid also has been improved.

 

So what happened?

[BananaB]

I believe Joe is just McDs puppet. Look at the end of the Rams game last year when McD called the timeout which we needed to get the ball back, he said he wanted to make sure they had their best play best play called.  Figure he wasn’t happy with what Joe was running, that’s just my opinion though. 

[sven233]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Was it McDermott or Dennision?

Was it McDermott or Daboll? 

Was it McDermott or Dorsey?

Was it McDermott or Brady?

Was it McDermott or _________ (next OC to be under fire by the end of 2027) 

 

Of the above, it was McDermott all the times except "Dabs" which is why Daboll was going to be gone with or without a HC gig. 

 

 

 

The easy theme here is McDermott.  That said, the OCs had their share of flaws. 

 

Dennison was flat out awful.  Just too many things to even get into with him.  Unqualified for the job. 

 

Daboll, in my opinion, is the type of OC that you want.  Fiery, competitive, and driven to hang 40+ on the opponent every week.  He schemed to his talent and worked on concepts to get certain guys open on any given play.  He used defensive tendencies against the opponent, found the weakness, and worked to find ways to attack it.  The problem was he probably errored on the side of passing a bit too much.  That said, though, he didn't have much of a run game to count on.  Our offensive line staff was bad and couldn't block things up well enough in the run game at times so Daboll eventually just got away from the run too much.  The problem with this is that McDermott HATES the style Daboll wanted to run.  Daboll wanted to run as many plays as possible in a game and wanted to score as fast as he could.  But, McDermott wants a ball control offense, control TOP, and limit the opponent's number of possessions.  Scoring too fast and putting his defense back out there (which struggled to keep opponents from scoring) was not something he wanted and that's why it was very contentious between them. 

 

Dorsey was kind of the exact opposite of what Brady is in terms of depth of target.  Everything Dorsey ran was down the field and took a long time to develop.  His running game wasn't great either.  But he wasn't a schemer by any means.  He called plays, but was never a guy to set out to fool anyone.  He was competitive and wanted to score, but just didn't have the play design skills to do it effectively.  Out of all the coordinators we have had under McDermott, I think Dorsey was the most reliant one on the actual skill and talent of the players on the field.  

 

Brady....well, we know what he is.  He's McDermott's dream OC that is struggling to make things work.  He wants to roll our 3 TEs and pound the ball, play a ball control offense, and control the clock.  The problem is, he doesn't have a creative bone in his body.  Every route is at or behind the LOS.  The ball rarely travels over 15 yards in the air within the structure of the offense.  The only time it gets pushed down the field is when Allen scrambles outside of structure and tries to make things happen.  Everything is static.  No choice or option routes.  He has a list of plays and he just calls them with no real plan.  Many coordinators run plays not necessarily to be successful, but to set up something bigger later in the game.  He doesn't call plays with a plan.  He runs mesh as part of his base play package on not only early downs, but in every situation because again.....he's not scheming guys open....he's just calling plays.  Why is he not using max protect or bringing in an extra lineman to help block up front last night when everyone could see that our front was getting manhandled?  Because he doesn't have a "plan".....he has plays that he calls.  And when you couple this with a lack of talent at the WR position, it's a recipe for disaster and that's where we are now.  I posted it in another thread last night....just look at Allen's passing chart.  Not one ball over 15-20 yards down the field even ATTEMPTED, let along completed.  So, Houston was plan a mix of zone and man all night with virtually every defender within 15 yards of the LOS and Brady never once tried to exploit this over the top.  There's so much more to get in on with Brady, but it would take all day.

 

So, in the end.....is it McDermott or the OCs?  While the answer is both in many respects, most of it is on McDermott because he is trying to find a guy to run the type of offense he wants to run that doesn't expose how bad his defense truly is by putting them on the field more.  He wants a "yes man" to run a 50/50 offense to control the clock and win games by scoring in the low 20s.  He hand picks guys that he believes can do enough on offense, but not be too good to outshine his defense and won't rile anyone up with calls to replace him with said offensive coordinator.  It happened with Daboll because we were scoring a ton of points and his defense let us down in the end.  Just think about it.....the last 2 games Daboll coached here was the Perfect Game and 13 Seconds.  THe offense was great in both games.  Against KC, the offense did just about everything you could expect to in order to win that game on the road against a great team and McDermott's defense and coaching decisions BLEW that game.  Yes, Daboll was going to get a head job somewhere because of the job he did here with the offense, but McDermott couldn't wait to get rid of him because he's the exact OC he fears....  a creative mind that knew how to put up points and did it quickly that a lot of fans were asking to take over for McDermott.  But yeah.....in then end, this is McDermott's ship and he is well on his way to sinking it.  Problem is, we have an owner that loves him and Beane and they probably have lifetime contracts at this point because Pegula doesn't want to fire them.  Heck, just look at our hockey team.  Awful year in and year out but because he loves the GM, he gets to sit there and do nothing to help the team day in and day out.  So all of this "Fire McDermott and Beane talk"?  Just forget about it.  It's not happening, especially in a year they are heading into a brand new stadium.