If Missing the Playoffs Is What it Will Take for Change, Would You Welcome It?

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

From the standpoint of a guy who was once a huge Sabres fan over the Bills...

 

The most important thing for Terry Pegula is his own comfort in the building.  He wants to feel like he has a voice that is respected, and he wants to feel like he has people in place who he deems are quality "authentic" (his and Kim's word) and trustworthy.  A nod to a bit of devout faith is a bonus as well.

 

He is more than comfortable with McDermott and Beane in all those ways.  Watching Hard Knocks cements that feeling for me.  Pegula stammering around and Beane and McDermott catering to that.  

 

 

The calls for change arent loud at all.  This is Buffalo and the talk of that is basically confined to message boards and group texts.  The Buffalo news is declawed and WGR is no tiger.  Nationally, there is zero talk of changes in Buffalo.  

If the Bills fall short there will be LOTS of talk of, “is this the end?” It’s already heating up. I work from home mostly now and have a TV in my office. I’ve been watching a lot of the talking heads over the last 2 months. The chatter is there. I don’t have the heart or energy to watch today but it’s coming. 
 

I agree about the comfort but the Bills are his baby (and his family’s). I don’t think we can take much from how’s he’s handled the Sabres. There is no pressure for that. The Bills have an infinitely bigger microscope AND the MVP of the league. If you had a $20K car and a $100K car would you handle them the same? This is an even more extreme example. 

[FireChans]

22 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Let's say Pegula fires Beane and McDermott.  Hires the next latest and greatest offensive coach hire and his grocery-getter GM...

 

 

Can anything be done to flip this thing around in one offseason?  It looks like they are up against the wall for the foreseeable future.  I think there is like $30 Million in Void years next year.  Have a bunch of bad money spent otherwise.  

Yes.

 

philly went from worst to first with new voices on defense and won a ring after limping into then playoffs the year prior.

Edited 52 minutes ago by FireChans

[Kirby Jackson]

As soon as Josh says, “enough is enough” it all changes. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

It really feels like we need wholesale change. New stadium, new coaches, I can get down with that. It's been a historic run. Now let's get somebody in here who can finish it. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Even above all thr uselessness of this HC, the most inexcusable thing is allowing a clearly hurt Spensor Brown stay in at least 3 drives to long. Imagine if we lost Allen for the year because of this #######? All the appreciation for ending the drought is used up. Get this guy out of here 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

As soon as Josh says, “enough is enough” it all changes. 

"What are we doing" says ALOT to me. Questioning Brady, at minimum. 

[May Day 10]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

As soon as Josh says, “enough is enough” it all changes. 

 

That is actually the one thing I can see changing things... although I give it a 50/50 shot that boob Pegula launches Allen out of the organization if he speaks out against the coaches/management.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

"What are we doing" says ALOT to me. Questioning Brady, at minimum. 

Yep, the frustration is mounting and has been all year. He won’t say anything publicly because he’s not like that. Josh has functionally equal power to Pegula in this sense. He can pull the plug on this regime in 1 phone call. I don’t know if he will but he certainly can. 

[Sojourner]

Maybe this is the Dungy Bucs?

 

A decent HC who built the foundations for the next guy to succeed?

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Yep, the frustration is mounting and has been all year. He won’t say anything publicly because he’s not like that. Josh has functionally equal power to Pegula in this sense. He can pull the plug on this regime in 1 phone call. I don’t know if he will but he certainly can. 

He has so much leverage. Pegula has money. Go get somebody that can put this thing together now. He's almost 30 if I recall. Time is ticking I'm officially scared he's never gonna get a chance to even play in a SB. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

That is actually the one thing I can see changing things... although I give it a 50/50 shot that boob Pegula launches Allen out of the organization if he speaks out against the coaches/management.

I have been using the LeBron example in other threads on regime change. That’s kind of where we are. No one thinks that Pelinka or Redick has more power than LeBron. Maybe with LeBron nearing the end his voice lessens but you get the point. There are a handful, or slightly more, of players in sports that have ultimate say. Lamar is in a pretty similar situation to Josh. He can execute Harbaugh. Aaron Judge and Ohtani have similar power. Jokic and Giannis come to mind along with maybe McDavid. I’m sure there are others but it’s interesting. 

[May Day 10]

Money spent in 2026

Oliver (hurt and undersized for position) $24.3 Million

Dawson Knox $17 Million

Josh Palmer: $12 Million

Greg Rousseau $12 Million

Taron Johnson $11.5 Million

Matt Milano (VOID) $11 Million

Curtis Samuel (lol) $9.7 Million

Joey Bosa (VOID) $7.2 Million

Terrel Bernard $5.6 Million

Tyler Bass $5 Million

Connor McGovern (VOID) $4.8 Million

Taylor Rapp (lol) $4 Million

Daquan Jones (VOID) $3.7 Million

AJ Epinesa (VOID) $2.8 Million

Ogunjobi (VOID) $2.5 Million

 

 

That is $133.1 Million for almost nothing.

[Billsflyer12]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

As soon as Josh says, “enough is enough” it all changes. 

Agree, but he won’t.  You would have seen it by now.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

He’s not getting fired. No. Try to win the Super Bowl. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Agree, but he won’t.  You would have seen it by now.

We won’t see it publicly. We are seeing his frustration at a level that we haven’t. If Terry asks, and Josh tells him, it’s over. 

[Billsflyer12]

3 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Money spent in 2026

Oliver (hurt and undersized for position) $24.3 Million

Dawson Knox $17 Million

Josh Palmer: $12 Million

Greg Rousseau $12 Million

Taron Johnson $11.5 Million

Matt Milano (VOID) $11 Million

Curtis Samuel (lol) $9.7 Million

Joey Bosa (VOID) $7.2 Million

Terrel Bernard $5.6 Million

Tyler Bass $5 Million

Connor McGovern (VOID) $4.8 Million

Taylor Rapp (lol) $4 Million

Daquan Jones (VOID) $3.7 Million

AJ Epinesa (VOID) $2.8 Million

Ogunjobi (VOID) $2.5 Million

 

 

That is $133.1 Million for almost nothing.

That’s likely to be around 40% of the total cap for 2026.

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Money spent in 2026

Oliver (hurt and undersized for position) $24.3 Million

Dawson Knox $17 Million

Josh Palmer: $12 Million

Greg Rousseau $12 Million

Taron Johnson $11.5 Million

Matt Milano (VOID) $11 Million

Curtis Samuel (lol) $9.7 Million

Joey Bosa (VOID) $7.2 Million

Terrel Bernard $5.6 Million

Tyler Bass $5 Million

Connor McGovern (VOID) $4.8 Million

Taylor Rapp (lol) $4 Million

Daquan Jones (VOID) $3.7 Million

AJ Epinesa (VOID) $2.8 Million

Ogunjobi (VOID) $2.5 Million

 

 

That is $133.1 Million for almost nothing.

The magician Beano

[bills6969]

6 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Money spent in 2026

Oliver (hurt and undersized for position) $24.3 Million

Dawson Knox $17 Million

Josh Palmer: $12 Million

Greg Rousseau $12 Million

Taron Johnson $11.5 Million

Matt Milano (VOID) $11 Million

Curtis Samuel (lol) $9.7 Million

Joey Bosa (VOID) $7.2 Million

Terrel Bernard $5.6 Million

Tyler Bass $5 Million

Connor McGovern (VOID) $4.8 Million

Taylor Rapp (lol) $4 Million

Daquan Jones (VOID) $3.7 Million

AJ Epinesa (VOID) $2.8 Million

Ogunjobi (VOID) $2.5 Million

 

 

That is $133.1 Million for almost nothing.

The Knox hit is gross. Thats alot of money to pay a blocking tight end.

[BillsVet]

15 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

That is actually the one thing I can see changing things... although I give it a 50/50 shot that boob Pegula launches Allen out of the organization if he speaks out against the coaches/management.

 

For several reasons I don't think comparisons to the Sabres are equal...but Terry wanted O'Reilly and Eichel moved after they expressed discontent.  

 

I can see Terry being "disrespected" and going that route.  Or, he can see they're moving into a new 2B+ stadium and realizing now or will soon be a matter of choosing either Josh or McBeane.  

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

The magician Beano

 

He's the wizard...a.k.a. the Big Baller.  Get it right. 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

I'm coming around to this point of view. McDermott seems to be running short of ideas on D, like later-years Belichick. In that his core concepts seem to be married to specific physical traits at specific positions, which build structural weaknesses into his units.

 

Simply put, you can't run a defensive philosophy based on forcing the opponent into long drives when:

 

1. Your run defense is catastrophic.

2. You're mediocre at best on 3rd down.

 

McDermott has fixed the 3rd down defense since assuming playcalling. Through the Falcons game with Babich calling things (I think they swapped at half time but let's just count that game as him - it got better after half but I'll give Babich the benefit of the doubt) the Bills 3rd down D was giving up 40.8% - which over the season would be good for 23rd in the NFL. 

 

Since then with McDermott calling things the 3rd down D is running at 34.2% - which over the season would be good for 4th in the entire NFL after Denver, Chicago and Houston. 

 

He has also fixed the miscommunications pre-snap. Took him a couple of games and they had to use time outs to fix some in the Kansas City game, but since then, better. 

 

They were the two things I said he woild fix. And he has. The rest - including the run D - I just don't think that is a coaching fix. Last night in that first half the Bills had the right calls on all but 1 run. They had a guy in the right gap. And they couldn't make a play. Do I have some sympathy with bench Taron and bench Bernard? Sure. But fundamentally players just have to make plays. Whoever said it (I think it was @Kirby Jackson) a couple of week ago about the D was spot on. They are between eras. They have 4 or 5 first or second year guys with some promise but they also still have 4 guys starting from the 2018 defense plus Jones up front who are past their best. The only prime age starters are Groot, Bernard and Benford and two of those are looking like bad contracts for sure.