Bills roster moves - Sanders off of IR, Hardman signed to roster, Gabe elevated

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

You're probably right. Just hoping it's more him adjusting to the pros than not being good.

 

 

But you're probably correct. Sucks...  

 

Bernard Ford all over again 

Ford, Elam etc.

[finn]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I don’t know if Samuel is that bad or if the offense is designed poorly.  Samuel averaged over 60 receptions for the two years prior to joining the Bills - so did Elijah Moore.  Neither of them is that old and haven’t had a significant injury (to my knowledge).  They have combined for 13 catches this season.  
 

I am not saying that either is a star, but they each have produced some results in the NFL.  What happened?

You would think the only person who needs to ask this question would have asked it by now, but all he says is Brady is a good coordinator, and he is not planning on making any changes. 

 

I'm surprised people here still disagree about where the ultimate problem lies. 

[PonyBoy]

38 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

100% expected this. Gabe isn’t anything special, but if he’s healthy, given his familiarity with Josh, it makes sense. There is nothing Keon does better than Gabe, and 17 needs somebody he feels he can trust out there.

 

Between this and the Elam pick, somebody needs to be held accountable. Because if you’re going to whiff this freaking bad, while also not hitting a single 1st round pick not named Josh Allen out of the park in almost a decade now, you might as well be trading those picks for proven players like Jaylen Waddle, George Pickens or Micah Parsons. 

 

“But the cap”… then manage it better? Maybe don’t overpay to “resign our own” when you can’t draft worth half a 💩 in the first place.

 

I'm not a past draft expert off the top of my head, but Boogie is another one that comes to mind, amongst others. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, finn said:

You would think the only person who needs to ask this question would have asked it by now, but all he says is Brady is a good coordinator, and he is not planning on making any changes. 

 

I'm surprised people here still disagree about where the ultimate problem lies. 

For reference, McDermott spent weeks saying the exact same things about Dorsey for a month before he finally canned him. The wording was almost verbatim. Don't take it at face value.

 

You can like it or not like it, but one thing McDermott will always do is give his coordinator a chance to figure things out. As fans, no we won't  like it. But as a potential next coordinator will see, they will be given the chance to correct things and not be fired on a whim. That makes for attracting better coaches possible.

 

They are bringing in new WRs tomorrow and shaking it up to see if that helps. This is just as much an evaluation of what Dorsey does with different players as it is on the players themselves. If the Bills lay an egg on offense tomorrow and Thursday, I would lay good money down Brady is gone by Friday morning.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

For reference, McDermott spent weeks saying the exact same things about Dorsey for a month before he finally canned him. The wording was almost verbatim. Don't take it at face value.

 

You can like it or not like it, but one thing McDermott will always do is give his coordinator a chance to figure things out. As fans, no we won't  like it. But as a potential next coordinator will see, they will be given the chance to correct things and not be fired on a whim. That makes for attracting better coaches possible.

 

They are bringing in new WRs tomorrow and shaking it up to see if that helps. This is just as much an evaluation of what Dorsey does with different players as it is on the players themselves. If the Bills lay an egg on offense tomorrow and Thursday, I would lay good money down Brady is gone by Friday morning.

Greg Olsen said over and over against Carolina that Brady is running exactly what McDermott wants.  So why would he fire the OC?

[reddogblitz]

 

 

57 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Why would you doubt that? They elevated Gabe and signed Hardman to the active roster. They criticized his effort all week. Lol, why would this be shocking?? 

 

Just not so sure they're ready to give up on him.  An out of football shape Davis isn't going to play a ton I expect.  I don't think Coach McDermott is interested in "sending A message".  He wants to win.  Not a Coleman fan but he does have 3 TD passes this year.

 

Add to that it's A hot take tweet the day before the game so that in and of itself makes me suspicious.

 

[finn]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

For reference, McDermott spent weeks saying the exact same things about Dorsey for a month before he finally canned him. The wording was almost verbatim. Don't take it at face value.

 

You can like it or not like it, but one thing McDermott will always do is give his coordinator a chance to figure things out. As fans, no we won't  like it. But as a potential next coordinator will see, they will be given the chance to correct things and not be fired on a whim. That makes for attracting better coaches possible.

 

They are bringing in new WRs tomorrow and shaking it up to see if that helps. This is just as much an evaluation of what Dorsey does with different players as it is on the players themselves. If the Bills lay an egg on offense tomorrow and Thursday, I would lay good money down Brady is gone by Friday morning.

I do remember he was endorsing Dorsey until the end. I almost wish the Bills would lose the next two games just so Brady is let go. The signs are accumulating that he is at best limited and predictable as a coordinator, not what you want for a team with Super Bowl aspirations. In a way, the worst-case scenario is that the Bills win just enough, say two of every three of the remaining games, to give McDermott pause, and by then it will be too late, at least for this season. 

[Kirby Jackson]

32 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Okay, he stinks, but that has to be an indictment on management. Either they completely whiffed on drafting or the staff is incapable of managing him properly. One would think a benefit of the process would be ability to handle these things at a player level. 

They just whiffed. They drafted an extremely flawed player with a low floor. Players with his separation metrics pretty much never succeed. Matt Harmon did a whole thing on it prior to the draft. They were the smarter than everyone else until they weren’t. They then doubled down by not adding to the room and pumping his tires all offseason. They didn’t do him any favors by acting like he was a stud instead of a back of the roster guy. They tried to convince people that he was good and many believed it. He’s the exact player now that he was in college. 

[stlbills13]

Doubt Mecole gets a ton on offense but he'll return kicks and punts. Gabe will be very relevant I bet. But Palmer will be the featured guy if I had to guess 

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

 

 

Just not so sure they're ready to give up on him.  An out of football shape Davis isn't going to play a ton I expect.  I don't think Coach McDermott is interested in "sending A message".  He wants to win.  Not a Coleman fan but he does have 3 TD passes this year.

 

Add to that it's A hot take tweet the day before the game so that in and of itself makes me suspicious.

 

Well when he is benched tomorrow, come back and own it I guess. The writing has been on the wall. They already announced that Gabe is elevated and Hardman is on the active roster. Shakir and Palmer are both playing. That’s 4 WRs that are definite. They ripped his effort this week and he has been inefficient. He’s not good. 
 

I get being suspicious but it’s being reported by a group that does nothing but analyze the Bills. They have contacts. The other indicators all point to it as well. It’s just a really weird place to be suspicious. This isn’t even a little surprising let alone shocking.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well when he is benched tomorrow, come back and own it I guess. The writing has been on the wall. They already announced that Gabe is elevated and Hardman is on the active roster. Shakir and Palmer are both playing. That’s 4 WRs that are definite. They ripped his effort this week and he has been inefficient. He’s not good. 
 

I get being suspicious but it’s being reported by a group that does nothing but analyze the Bills. They have contacts. The other indicators all point to it as well. It’s just a really weird place to be suspicious. This isn’t even a little surprising let alone shocking.

Yep. Shavers will be playing as well as he's special teams.

 

Gabe, Palmer, Shakir, Shavers, Hardman (although prob more for punting returning) and probably either Samuel or Moore will be active tomorrow.

 

 

[stlbills13]

Coleman has had a ton of chances. If he's inactive he has nobody to blame but himself 

[NoName]

2 hours ago, PepeSilvia said:

This is an alarm stat.  But is this stat about the lack of talent/production from Knox, Moore and Curtis or is it about Joe Brady and his scheme?  

[RG Murdock]

1 hour ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

100% expected this. Gabe isn’t anything special, but if he’s healthy, given his familiarity with Josh, it makes sense. There is nothing Keon does better than Gabe, and 17 needs somebody he feels he can trust out there.

 

Between this and the Elam pick, somebody needs to be held accountable. Because if you’re going to whiff this freaking bad, while also not hitting a single 1st round pick not named Josh Allen out of the park in almost a decade now, you might as well be trading those picks for proven players like Jaylen Waddle, George Pickens or Micah Parsons. 

 

“But the cap”… then manage it better? Maybe don’t overpay to “resign our own” when you can’t draft worth half a 💩 in the first place.

Edited 1 hour ago by Delete_Delete_Delete

Kincaid is also a wasted pick. Decent player but can't and will never stay on the field on a regular basis. It astounds me when i see people eagerly awaiting Kantcaid's return, when it will likeley be for a half, maybe a game or two at best. Just another Milano. Maybe even less reliable. Don't resign him for big $$$. It will be a waste of cap space.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

36 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Greg Olsen said over and over against Carolina that Brady is running exactly what McDermott wants.  So why would he fire the OC?

Oh well, if Greg Olsen says it it must be true.

 

There's a difference between running the style of play McDermott would want and running it poorly. Sean is now answering questions about Brady's job security because he's not getting the results that McDermott would want 

[davefan66]

Benching Coleman is addition by subtraction.

 

If he has been as low effort and issue as had been reported, that shuts down the right side of the field for pass plays.  
 

Wonder if Josh had input.  As he should.

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Please?

 

2 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:

When is someone going to play that clip to Beane of him tearing into the media for questioning the lack of WR moves? The guy needs to be held accountable. 

 

Is someone prohibiting you from doing it?

 

42 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Greg Olsen said over and over against Carolina that Brady is running exactly what McDermott wants.  So why would he fire the OC?

 

You honestly can't think of one reason?

 

[Best Williams Available]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

I’m actually pretty surprised that Beane/McD are responding to the poor play and pressure from the media/fans.    It’s really more their style to insist that they are right and don’t believe your lyin’ eyes

The tape don’t lie. If in a room full of players watching a guy dog it isn’t enough to light a fire for him, this will or he should be gone.

[khlax3]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Palmer

Big game Gabe 

Shakir

Samuel

Shavers- gunner

Hardman - returner 

I think you probably nailed it! Moore could be active over Samuel but Samuel’s more likely 

[WotAGuy]

6 minutes ago, RG Murdock said:

Kincaid is also a wasted pick. Decent player but can't and will never stay on the field on a regular basis. It astounds me when i see people eagerly awaiting Kantcaid's return, when it will likeley be for a half, maybe a game or two at best. Just another Milano. Maybe even less reliable. Don't resign him for big $$$. It will be a waste of cap space.  

This will be an interesting development; going by Beane’s history, he’ll pay him the 5th year or even extend him earlier. It’s a policy that’s been burning cap without enough returns.