Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think he is mostly blameless, yeah. It is true that Allen isn't playing as well as last year, independent of anything going on around him. I don't think anybody denies that. But that's normal. Even the greatest QBs ever have down seasons over the course of their career. Those down seasons often coincide with the supporting cast around them having down seasons. Look at Brady's final season in New England. His best WRs were a 33 year old Julian Edelman and a rookie Jakobi Meyers. Gronkowski had just retired. All of this resulted in Brady having his lowest YPG, passer rating, ANY/A, success rate, etc. since at least 2013. A lot of people thought his career was over... Until he went to the team with the best supporting cast in the league, which got his statistical output back to its normal heights and he immediately won another Super Bowl. Look at Mahomes the past two seasons. Plenty of analysts have said he wasn't playing at his best in those seasons but it was understandable given the mess around him. I didn't blame him for the Super Bowl loss to Philly either - he had no chance in those conditions. So for me it's not just a Josh Allen bias, I try to be consistent in evaluating QB play within the conditions that they're given.

 

The growing narrative that really irritates me is the one that tries to give equal (or greater) blame to Allen as it does to the rest of the operation. That's what bothers me about the Jim Kubiak article and a couple other analyses I've seen floating around social media. The expectations for Allen have gotten to be utterly ridiculous. Fans are saying out loud "we need Allen to play like the MVP for us to have a chance at the Super Bowl" but they're framing that as a criticism of Allen! That framing is totally backwards. And it seems to me that that mindset permeates the entire organization. No need for certain players to give it their all on every play, or for the GM to add legit talent, or for the coaches to add wrinkles and make adjustments. Eventually Superman will just put on his cape, right? Wow look at that 3rd and 16 where he ran around for 20 seconds before finding an open WR, that's the Allen we need. Ah but he threw an interception at the end of the drive. That means he's to blame for the result.

 

Long post so just so summarize - Allen isn't playing at his best but I mainly attribute that to the architecture around him being a complete mess. We're running the same concepts that we've put on film a million times going back to last year. We have the worst pass catching talent in the league especially when Palmer and Kincaid are both injured. The OL hasn't been as consistent as last year. I hate the nitpicky analysis of "well on this play if you freeze frame it right here I think Allen could have maybe hit that 2 yard short crosser." It's too narrow-focused and it doesn't properly account for how NFL QBs make their reads. The big picture conversation is what I'm interested in and that's what Chris Simms gets into in that video. Those issues, not Allen, are why we have very little chance of turning this passing offense around.

here are two QBs

 

guess which one is the MVP

 

QB1

4,041 yards

28TDs/9ints

70%completion

+

587 yards rushing and 13TDs

 

or QB2

3,731 yards

28TDs/6INTs

63.6%completion

+

531 yards rushing and 12TDs 

 

 

[corta765]

4 hours ago, Mike R said:

Well said. This group does not seem to care and just doesn’t show up to play some weeks. I blame McD for putting up with this crap and no vocal leadership on the team. Josh needs to quit being a yes man and sulking in isolation on the sidelines. Somebody has to rally the troops. The effort is clearly not there on game day and it’s unacceptable.

In a weird way last year was probably very bad for this group. The everyone eats thing hit its peak and was incredibly successful to the point I think people and players took for granted how much you gotta work for it. There are a lot of young players on this roster who went a near dream season at 14-3 that now are facing some reallll resistance and you can see in these losses the effort reflects not being ready for it.

That I do blame 100% on the coaches as the effort in ATL/MIA was a team who took for granted the opposition when they do not have the ability nor the right to.

[henry jones]

JA is feeling the weight of needing to wear the "cape" every week in order to win. 

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

here are two QBs

 

guess which one is the MVP

 

QB1

4,041 yards

28TDs/9ints

70%completion

+

587 yards rushing and 13TDs

 

or QB2

3,731 yards

28TDs/6INTs

63.6%completion

+

531 yards rushing and 12TDs 

 

 

 

Took me a few minutes to figure this one out. Nicely done.

[Negan]

It used to be fun to watch the Bills.  Now they've become a drought esque team.  Not modern NFL. No down field passing.

 

Run screen  run punt.

Run sack screen punt.

Screen sack run punt.

Run run pass punt.

Run run reverse punt.

Run run fumble.

Run run interception.

 

Probably missing some similar drive outcomes.  But all the same.

[Old Coot]

Maybe you can't be "more than a football player" during the season, especially when you are an NFL QB.

[dorquemada]

17 minutes ago, Negan said:

It used to be fun to watch the Bills.  Now they've become a drought esque team.  Not modern NFL. No down field passing.

 

Run screen  run punt.

Run sack screen punt.

Screen sack run punt.

Run run pass punt.

Run run reverse punt.

Run run fumble.

Run run interception.

 

Probably missing some similar drive outcomes.  But all the same.

 

And the first several drives are scripted, meaning that with days of planning, it's the best brady could come up with. For years I complained that we never used screen plays to blunt the blitz.  It's almost like the football gods heard me and said 'careful what you wish for, stupid, now you gonna get screens!' and we get the worst style screen plays in the history of the NFL.  Nathan  J Peterman could have run this offense.

[boyst]

53 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

here are two QBs

 

guess which one is the MVP

 

QB1

4,041 yards

28TDs/9ints

70%completion

+

587 yards rushing and 13TDs

 

or QB2

3,731 yards

28TDs/6INTs

63.6%completion

+

531 yards rushing and 12TDs 

 

 

Josh v Josh? I'm guessing?

[Negan]

Just now, dorquemada said:

 

And the first several drives are scripted, meaning that with days of planning, it's the best brady could come up with. For years I complained that we never used screen plays to blunt the blitz.  It's almost like the football gods heard me and said 'careful what you wish for, stupid, now you gonna get screens!' and we get the worst style screen plays in the history of the NFL.  Nathan  J Peterman could have run this offense.

For Beane and McDermott's vision, I never thought they would want Allen to be a game manager.

 

Shouldn't we be paying someone else his high salary cap #? 

[GoBills808]

Just now, boyst said:

Josh v Josh? I'm guessing?

correct

qb2 is allen 2024

qb1 is allens 2025 pace

Just now, Billz4ever said:

 

To be fair, Mahomes won MVP that season with 5,250 yards, 41 touchdowns and a 14-3 record.

 

Lamar vs Josh is an apples to apples comparison and if we're just going to call it a stat award, no need to even have a vote. It can be immediately awarded to the guy with the best numbers at the conclusion of wk18.

its not lamar and allen

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

correct

qb2 is allen 2024

qb1 is allens 2025 pace

its not lamar and allen

 

I know that's not Lamar and Allen. I thought you were making a different point, my bad.

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, Negan said:

For Beane and McDermott's vision, I never thought they would want Allen to be a game manager.

 

Shouldn't we be paying someone else his high salary cap #? 

 

One has to wonder at some level if McD and Beane wouldn't prefer a caretaker QB and to splash out on other positions instead?  like would he have traded Allen for Garrett and some picks if he thought he wouldnt have been run out of town on a rail?

[Billz4ever]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

correct

qb2 is allen 2024

qb1 is allens 2025 pace

its not lamar and allen

 

What's crazy though is Allen was only sacked 14 times all last year and is already at 20 this year through 9 games.

[Negan]

6 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

One has to wonder at some level if McD and Beane wouldn't prefer a caretaker QB and to splash out on other positions instead?  like would he have traded Allen for Garrett and some picks if he thought he wouldnt have been run out of town on a rail?

Beane and McDermott probably thought about this at some point.

 

Trade Allen for a few firsts, and then they can get like a Tyrod level QB.  Then can really load up on defense.

 

Technically this is their vision.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Negan

[colin]

we suck at wr, and i'd love to have gotten waddle or something, but I just don't accept that the o has to blow because of a lack of wr talent.  we have oodles of talent on the offense at every other position.  the coaches have to figure out smart and creative ways to be unpredictable and to use the talent we do have.

 

it's simply not the case that great talent everywhere and none at wr means the o has to get shut down simple and easy all the time, we need our coaches to do better.

[Gregg]

10 minutes ago, Negan said:

Beane and McDermott probably thought about this at some point.

 

Trade Allen for a few firsts, and then they can get like a Tyrod level QB.  Then can really load up on defense.

 

Technically this is their vision.  

 

 

[Negan]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

 

They had him right there all these years later.

 

Time is a flat circle ⭕ ⭕ ⭕ 

[dorquemada]

10 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

 

 

Thanks, I hate it

[Cash]

4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

So?  Cooks fumble was brutal to.  It happens and even the best players will make mistakes.  I think some tend to focus on the rare exceptions as being evidence of a problem while ignoring the more fundamental issues troubling the Bills.

 

 

 

Josh Allen had a bad game.  That's it, that's the whole point.  The INT was the most glaring part of it, which is why I highlighted the INT when responding to a post about how Allen had a bad game.  Hope that clears it up for you.

[Murdox]

18 minutes ago, Cash said:

 

Josh Allen had a bad game.  That's it, that's the whole point.  The INT was the most glaring part of it, which is why I highlighted the INT when responding to a post about how Allen had a bad game.  Hope that clears it up for you.

 

He didn't have a good game, but we are still 6-3 this year.  The question is why?  What are team defenses doing to get Josh off his game?  In the losses this year, Josh has unsurprisingly looked a bit lost.  Is he having to wait for receivers to get open and that is making him jumpy in the pocket?  I do think that is part of it, but I also think our lack of weapons at WR is helping opposing teams keep more folks in the box to prevent Josh from running as much.