Change Can Be Good - What About Promoting From With In For Stability ?

[T master]

Okay we've all heard the complaints of how changes need to be made and how many here want to have McD's and Beans head on a platter and up until this point I have been one of those people that has always said stay to the course and this guy can & will get it done but my mind has had a bit of a change of heart .

 

Although I think we all can agree McD is a great human being, has a great football mind when it comes to certain parts of the game, and has lead this team out of the doldrums of mediocrity to become a perennial play off team, but after this game a game they should have won easily even with the injuries I'm very perplexed and think change could be a good thing .

 

That being said I don't believe they should blow up EVERYTHING or clean house moving forward but make a big enough move to show the rest of the organization that mediocrity is not executable going forward .

 

I have often asked all the haters here just WHO would they put in place of McD if they had a chance to make a change and never really got a good answer from any of them but if history tells us anything I think it may be better that they give a promotion from with in .

 

We all remember the Bally who that was when Rex got hired right ? The Bills had a GREAT D coordinator with Schwartz at the helm and they fired then coach Saint Doug & Pegs thought that by bringing in a HC that had been there was better for the team but Rex Blew up most everything and Schwartz saw the writing on the wall so he bolted then we all know what happened Rex went from a D of 4/3 players and tried to pigeon hole them into a 3/4 D which went straight to hell in a couple of years .

 

So all that being said I have made my decision that something needs to be changed but I would like to see a promotion from with in, a Super Bowl winning coach that would keep a lot of the stability on the team and is more offensive minded that I think has paid his dues and is still young enough to make this team better is Aaron Kromer .

 

The guy has the chops, the resume, the experience of it all and has been to the Mountain top but if I am correct has never been given a chance to be "The Man'' or a HC in the NFL . 

 

Stability would be there, I think his input with Beane could be of great help in the drafting offensive & defensive players, and it would be a shake up the franchise to let everyone know to S**T or get off the pot . He could bring in some very competent coaches that he may have worked with or likes their offensive play calling and felt he could work with to improve the offense along with his experience & input .

 

I just wonder what ya'll might think of this kind of move I just don't think blowing up everything is the way to go and with Kroger's knowledge not only of the game but the other coaches he has worked with over his time in the league this might be a really good move IF there is that possibility .

 

What say you ??

[bmur66]

Beach Chair Mafia?

[CirclnWagons]

Every time I go to a game, the landscaping around the facilities is really nice and seems to be kept clean so I’d keep the folks over that. Get rid of absolutely EVERYONE else. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Promotion from within only works if you measure them up with those not in the organization honestly. 

 

When you already decide who you want and conduct interviews to fulfill the Rooney Rule only, you're doing your whole hiring process a disservice. 

[Saint Doug]

Promoting within only works when you have had prior success and want to continue it. Not winning a Superbowl with Josh Allen isn’t the definition of success. 

[GroteStreet]

I hope Clappy and Beane are both gone at the end of the year.  These two have proven themselves to be very nice human beings who can take a franchise from the bottom very good (with the help of an all-world QB), but no farther.  7 years of basically the same results proves this.  Kromer deserves to be interviewed for head coach, his work with the Oline has  been very good.  I hope he is here next year in some capacity.

[T master]

2 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

Promoting within only works when you have had prior success and want to continue it. Not winning a Superbowl with Josh Allen isn’t the definition of success. 

Well that is the reason for the mention of Kromer .

 

He won a SB with the Saints under Sean Peyton and had Drew Breeze as his QB so he saw how to build a offense first hand and he was the O line coach so I'm just throwing it out there but every. one wants to burn down the entire thing so I'm in the minority .

 

Not to mention his time in LA with Stafford he may not have won a SB there but he was part of a really good team so he's got some good chops !!

 

It was just a thought .

[harmonkillebrew]

Nah, bring in a new regime. Josh and the other leaders will keep the continuity and lockeroom culture in place.

But we need a HC with a coaching edge and a new offensive philosophy. Need new talent evaluators and decision makers.

[Yobogoya!]

Yeah maybe we can promote Slick Rick from the mailroom 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

don’t flame me but…

 

I think the Bills should at least CONSIDER interviewing Brian Daboll. I remember when the big question was if the Bills were better off retaining him instead of McDermott. There definitely would be a lot less growing pains and Josh could make an easy transition into his offense. With Cook/Kincaid/Shakir/Allen i think Daboll could have better results than Brady. Possibly could even lure Nabers here. 

Edited 4 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[ClosetFan]

First thing they need to do is fire the entire scouting staff. Has anyone else even mentioned this? They always seem to pick the most injury prone players.

[H2o]

35 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

don’t flame me but…

 

I think the Bills should at least CONSIDER interviewing Brian Daboll. I remember when the big question was if the Bills were better off retaining him instead of McDermott. There definitely would be a lot less growing pains and Josh could make an easy transition into his offense. With Cook/Kincaid/Shakir/Allen i think Daboll could have better results than Brady. Possibly could even lure Nabers here. 

They ABSOLUTELY should at least consider bringing in Daboll. The offense has never been better with Josh at the helm than when Dabs was OC. 

[Sweats]

Bring in Dabol to help out Brady.......our FO won't let him walk, but he could use a little insight and experience.

[<bills4life>]

44 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Yeah maybe we can promote Slick Rick from the mailroom 

His clock management skills would be an instant upgrade. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

They ABSOLUTELY should at least consider bringing in Daboll. The offense has never been better with Josh at the helm than when Dabs was OC. 

Daboll molded Josh into a superstar. Best believe he would not be where he is without him. I wouldn’t scoff at this. I hope he gets a look at OC but that’s a dream 

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, T master said:

Okay we've all heard the complaints of how changes need to be made and how many here want to have McD's and Beans head on a platter and up until this point I have been one of those people that has always said stay to the course and this guy can & will get it done but my mind has had a bit of a change of heart .

 

Although I think we all can agree McD is a great human being, has a great football mind when it comes to certain parts of the game, and has lead this team out of the doldrums of mediocrity to become a perennial play off team, but after this game a game they should have won easily even with the injuries I'm very perplexed and think change could be a good thing .

 

That being said I don't believe they should blow up EVERYTHING or clean house moving forward but make a big enough move to show the rest of the organization that mediocrity is not executable going forward .

 

I have often asked all the haters here just WHO would they put in place of McD if they had a chance to make a change and never really got a good answer from any of them but if history tells us anything I think it may be better that they give a promotion from with in .

 

We all remember the Bally who that was when Rex got hired right ? The Bills had a GREAT D coordinator with Schwartz at the helm and they fired then coach Saint Doug & Pegs thought that by bringing in a HC that had been there was better for the team but Rex Blew up most everything and Schwartz saw the writing on the wall so he bolted then we all know what happened Rex went from a D of 4/3 players and tried to pigeon hole them into a 3/4 D which went straight to hell in a couple of years .

 

So all that being said I have made my decision that something needs to be changed but I would like to see a promotion from with in, a Super Bowl winning coach that would keep a lot of the stability on the team and is more offensive minded that I think has paid his dues and is still young enough to make this team better is Aaron Kromer .

 

The guy has the chops, the resume, the experience of it all and has been to the Mountain top but if I am correct has never been given a chance to be "The Man'' or a HC in the NFL . 

 

Stability would be there, I think his input with Beane could be of great help in the drafting offensive & defensive players, and it would be a shake up the franchise to let everyone know to S**T or get off the pot . He could bring in some very competent coaches that he may have worked with or likes their offensive play calling and felt he could work with to improve the offense along with his experience & input .

 

I just wonder what ya'll might think of this kind of move I just don't think blowing up everything is the way to go and with Kroger's knowledge not only of the game but the other coaches he has worked with over his time in the league this might be a really good move IF there is that possibility .

 

What say you ??

I dont think we can afford to do this anymore.  Its at minimum 1 year too late.  We need to seriously retool this roster and just absorb the down year.  Bad $$ needs to go, we need the higher draft slot.  Rolling back the same/similar staff is too risky.  You'll have these guys fighting for their job, with the belief that under change, a WildCard or Divisional will buy them another year.  They'll throw everything at it, to get to our ceiling of Divisional round appearance.

 

We need to retool, absorb the down year, shed bad money, ship out all the walking injury factories/petite players and get the talent boost from picking a bit higher.

 

If you try a mini rebuild you risk running out of time with subpar talent around Josh.  Its ugly, it hurts, I haaaaate it.  CAN NOT RISK HALF-ASS THIS. Certainly doesnt mean going 2-15.  If we do it right, between finishing this season out under a D.O.A. coach staff, and a new staff next year, eating bad dead money... we can pop back up and have a new & better window to make certain we get one with Josh while he's here.

 

My belief of multiple rings is gone now.  Tear it down, fix the foundation CORRECTLY, we have some nice pieces for the next run, but we can't bubble gum tape this team again.  Trade the older, and the higher cap guys that have value like Dion Dawkins. Maybe Oliver.  If Kincaid is FUBAR and finishes out the year well, unload him... too sleight, someone will want to take on that risk.  We can not continue to gamble and hope we win back what we've lost.

[Since1981]

McClappy isn’t about to risk even a paper cut to his ego. I didn’t always think that, but it’s crystal clear now. Andy had the guts to bring in Spags. Meanwhile, our Clapper-in-Chief — complete with the Oprah glasses — would never hire anyone who might actually challenge him.

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

don’t flame me but…

 

I think the Bills should at least CONSIDER interviewing Brian Daboll. I remember when the big question was if the Bills were better off retaining him instead of McDermott. There definitely would be a lot less growing pains and Josh could make an easy transition into his offense. With Cook/Kincaid/Shakir/Allen i think Daboll could have better results than Brady. Possibly could even lure Nabers here. 

We had the best WR core in the league... we are now at the polar opposite end of that!  I don't hate the idea, but we can't afford to gamble.  These Coordinator hires are going to be the single most important round of hirings we have EVER (!!!!) done.  

 

Getting the boys back together past their glory days, over and over and over, is part of the reason we're at where we're at!

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

We had the best WR core in the league... we are now at the polar opposite end of that!  I don't hate the idea, but we can't afford to gamble.  These Coordinator hires are going to be the single most important round of hirings we have EVER (!!!!) done.  

 

Getting the boys back together past their glory days, over and over and over, is part of the reason we're at where we're at!

by glory days meaning 3 years ago? 

 

 

[Comebackkid]

daboll totally sucked the last year he was here and what does Kromer know about running a football team?

 

babbich was great at his isolated coaching positions...but look what happened just with the move to D coach