Is it the receivers or Brady

[JMM]

25 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

i agree all except for the part where you say we don't have burners.   Elijah Moore and Curtis Samuel are elite speed guys   sub 4.4     

Also Miami played single high safety today which we don't normally see.   They took away more underneath stuff and dared Josh to throw long but he never did.   He's gonna develop a blindspot to the long ball pretty soon if he hasn't already.

Even MORE reason then to attempt the deep ball. It's absolutely ludicrous 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I'm tired of the grass is always greener mentality as I saw years of turnover and guess what? It really wasn't greener.

I just think this franchise, coach, roster, all of it, is worn down from wearing the Super Bowl or bust label every year. It's not something that is sustainable from my view. It's a miracle it has gone on as long as it has. It's getting to be time and that argument isn't even about what is fair, just, or right. It's just getting to be time. They need new blood. It could come with pain, but it also could come with renewed perspective and energy.  

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Maine-iac said:

11 drives and we had 3 three and outs.  We had more first downs than Miami.

I mean, do you lack critical thinking skills or something? By halftime we had 4 first downs. 3 of them came right in a row from a first down. 
 

the fact is the Bills game was getting stopped. They were uncomfortable playing outside of their plan and they pressed later in the game. That’s the problem of being 1 dimensional. When that 1 dimension isn’t working then it becomes extremely hard to compensate. Josh had to go complete animal mode just to get one drive going. 
 

I feel like either you didn’t actually watch the game or you are so homer that you are making excuses while drooling at some fake meaningless stats. Did you honestly believe we had the best offense in the league? Come on now. 

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

It’s definitely both. Guys can’t get open, and when you watch replays most plays don’t have guys run more than 12 yards downfield. How is Shakir supposed to work underneath, which is his specialty, when you don’t have other receivers running deep to clear guys out. But also, how can Josh scramble for 6 or 7 seconds and still need to just heave it up and pray a guy catches it most of the time

You mean 4.6 speed Coleman can’t take the top off? Say it aint so 😂. What was Beane thinking…

Edited 4 hours ago by billsfan_34

[bills11]

Another point I will make is.. what's the point of upgrading the wr corps if Brady isn't gonna use them.. I watched Joshua Palmer make plays for the Chargers in a variety of ways.. when diggs was here when brady took over his scheme made it appear that diggs was done and that has not been the case...Even tho Amari Cooper lost a step you're telling me one of the elite route running technicians wasn't able to get open on comebacks and slants ? We sign samuel for big money no touches .. everyone talks about missing the keon Coleman pick but would ladd McConkey even have production in this scheme?

[BananaB]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

That is the O. That’s Brady.  Curtis can do more than he’s asked to do, he has proven that before he got to Buffalo. You can say the same thing about Elijah Moore.  At this point until I see Brady get a WR involved besides throwing them a ***** load of screen passes I have no faith in his passing game. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

It's probably a bit of both

 

But is there a wr on this roster that would be higher than a 3 on any team in the league? Hell how many wr on this team getting snaps wouldn't even make a practice squad of 31 other teams 

[foreboding]

It's both. Watching them today in person, we have almost no one ever open past 7 yards. No coverage breakers. 

Edited 4 hours ago by foreboding

[Puckman5]

It's McDermott's scheme and the players they've surrounded Allen with.  I'm not going to call Coleman a bust yet, but missing on McConkey is absolute incompetence.  I don't care if he's not an "X", he would make our offense much better than Coleman does.  He has speed and can create space.  Who's doing that consistently for us now?

[JohnNord]

15 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

That’s somewhat revisionist history.  They signed Samuel to a 3-year deal and couldn’t get out of his contract.  It’s not like they just could have cut him and re-signed Hollins 

[Maine-iac]

11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

QTR 1-2 possessions 

punt

turnover on downs 

 

QTR 2-4 possessions

punt

Cook fumble

punt

clocked out

 

QTR 3-1 possession 

used most of the entire quarter then interception

 

QTR 4-4 possessions 

TD

fumble

TD 

punt

 

it was practically garbage time on that last fumble. They were stopped all game. 

QTR 2 Cook doesn't fumble and we score it's 13 to 7.  QTR 3 Allen throws a TD instead of a pick it's 14 to 16.  QTR 4 we score the TD and it's 21 to 16 us.  Allen doesn't fumble and Achane doesn't score the TD two plays later it's either still 21 to 16 or even 24 to 16 us.   We were not stopped all game.  We turned the ball over instead of scoring when we had the chance both in the first half and the second half.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

in my opinion it's both, the WR's don't seem to separate or at least separate fast enough but it's also on Brady, why does this guy continue to not get Cook involved in the passing game? If Coleman isn't an outside WR move him into the slot and see if he can become dominant there. Move Shakir to the outside and see if he still has the same juice there. TRY SOMETHING other than just putting out the same stale offense that heavily relies on Cook putting up 200 yards each week. 

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the play:

 

Shavers takes a full 4 seconds after the snap to work open enough to where he can even get his head around. Against cover 0 that's not gonna get it done. This is a play where if you had an X you could trust to get open the right side of the field would be an automatic read.

 

Miami sent cover 0 and dared one of our receivers to get open quickly. Shockingly they won that bet.

Why is Shavers even on the field on 3rd and goal? 

Edited 3 hours ago by BananaB

[noacls17]

It's McDip---t

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Yes!  This is a big problem… But I think it’s mainly Josh who’s doing the pressing, largely because he knows how bad the WR’s are 

Well yes but I think Cook even pressed a bit today. He hadn’t really had any big runs. He lost focus on the ball fighting for an extra couple yards on an already good run. Josh did the same on his fumble. 

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The most common answers last year were Mike Vrabel and Ben Johnson, and people like you dismissed them for one reason or another. "Vrabel couldn't win a Super Bowl with Tennessee." "Coordinators don't always make good head coaches." So pardon me if I don't assume that you ask this question in good faith. Of course both Vrabel and Johnson have seemingly turned their new franchises around in year one so maybe people on here do have an idea what they're talking about when they make suggestions like that.

 

ironic thing is that Vrabel built the team McD has been trying to since he got here. 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

QTR 2 Cook doesn't fumble and we score it's 13 to 7.  QTR 3 Allen throws a TD instead of a pick it's 14 to 16.  QTR 4 we score the TD and it's 21 to 16 us.  Allen doesn't fumble and Achane doesn't score the TD two plays later it's either still 21 to 16 or even 24 to 16 us.   We were not stopped all game.  We turned the ball over instead of scoring when we had the chance both in the first half and the second half.

but they did turnover the ball. They turned it over because they were pressing. Both fumbles were them trying to get just a yard or two more after already having solid runs. The int was Josh pressing because there was nowhere to go. Miami also turned the ball over twice. 
 

they were pressing because they were stopped all game long. Miamis turnovers didn’t matter not because you want to call them arm punts but because they controlled the game through the entire game.