Is it the receivers or Brady

[HappyDays]

29 minutes ago, BananaB said:

In his interview he said he was looking to Shavers but was affected by the pocket. I thought the pass was for Knox. 😂 

 

Here's the play:

 

Shavers takes a full 4 seconds after the snap to work open enough to where he can even get his head around. Against cover 0 that's not gonna get it done. This is a play where if you had an X you could trust to get open the right side of the field would be an automatic read.

 

Miami sent cover 0 and dared one of our receivers to get open quickly. Shockingly they won that bet.

[The Jokeman]

Did anyone catch Rasheed awesome performance today? 1 catch for 3 yards, man we really missed the boat on that one. 

[Bill51390]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

Can't judge Brady because our WR's are horrific.  Everyone not named Shakir sucks.  

We basically have the same receiving core as last year minus Hollins and Cooper who didn’t do much and added Palmer and our passing offense is significantly worst. Our receivers obviously aren’t great, but Brady isn’t the using them right either. 

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the play:

 

Shavers takes a full 4 seconds after the snap to work open enough to where he can even get his head around. Against cover 0 that's not gonna get it done. This is a play where if you had an X you could trust to get open the right side of the field would be an automatic read.

 

Miami sent cover 0 and dared one of our receivers to get open quickly. Shockingly they won that bet.

And if Josh takes a sack we probably would have gotten 3 points which better than 0 cuz he forced a throw that got intercepted.

[mannc]

Here is one small example of the Bills’ offensive coaching incompetence: Running plays have a much higher success rate than passes on two-point conversions (62% vs 43%).  Despite being the team with the highest percentage of running plays in the NFL this year, the Bills have passed the ball on all four of their two-point conversion attempts this year, and they are 0-4.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And if Josh takes a sack we probably would have gotten 3 points which better than 0 cuz he forced a throw that got intercepted.

 

I'm with you. 30-16 looks a lot better on paper.

[BillsFanForever19]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the play:

 

Shavers takes a full 4 seconds after the snap to work open enough to where he can even get his head around. Against cover 0 that's not gonna get it done. This is a play where if you had an X you could trust to get open the right side of the field would be an automatic read.

 

Miami sent cover 0 and dared one of our receivers to get open quickly. Shockingly they won that bet.

 

Shavers is a decent blocker and ST's player. But he's simply not an NFL level WR. Period.

 

I know that particular play was more on the throw Josh wasn't able to step into. But Shavers rep is less than, as you pointed out. And that's a pretty regular thing.

 

He's a guy who looks decent against other Practice Squad players and against DB's who are going to end up on the street in a week during the Pre-Season. But he really has no business getting reps on Offense when the real bullets are flying. And sadly, most of the guys above him are only marginally better than that.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[The Jokeman]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I'm with you. 30-16 looks a lot better on paper.

The game complexion changes entirely having 16 vs 13 when Miami has 23. Oh heck maybe we have 17 cuz don't go for 2. But I know I know we can't blame Josh for having a bad game it must be someone else's fault.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And if Josh takes a sack we probably would have gotten 3 points which better than 0 cuz he forced a throw that got intercepted.

Interesting to me that he threw all the way to the #1 in the trips to the wide side of the field when he knew it was a pressure look, instead of taking the boundary 1 on 1.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Here is one small example of the Bills’ offensive coaching incompetence: Running plays have a much higher success rate than passes on two-point conversions (62% vs 43%).  Despite being the team with the highest percentage of running plays in the NFL this year, the Bills have passed the ball on all four of their two-point conversion attempts this year, and they are 0-4.

 

I think in some sense Allen and Brady are afflicted by the same problem right now. Neither of them trust anything going on around them so they are flailing a bit and pressing to find answers. Neither of them can get into any kind of rhythm because the personnel creates so many limitations. Like yeah we could just run the ball on 3rd and 2 or on 2PCs, but we did try running the ball on an earlier 3rd and 2 and Miami just blew it up with a simple run blitz because they have no fear that we will beat them through the air. We as fans are desperately seeking answers that just don't exist when you have the worst WR room in the NFL.

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think in some sense Allen and Brady are afflicted by the same problem right now. Neither of them trust anything going on around them so they are flailing a bit and pressing to find answers. Neither of them can get into any kind of rhythm because the personnel creates so many limitations. Like yeah we could just run the ball on 3rd and 2 or on 2PCs, but we did try running the ball on an earlier 3rd and 2 and Miami just blew it up with a simple run blitz because they have no fear that we will beat them through the air. We as fans are desperately seeking answers that just don't exist when you have the worst WR room in the NFL.

You like what the Steelers showing at WR? 

[Process]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the play:

 

Shavers takes a full 4 seconds after the snap to work open enough to where he can even get his head around. Against cover 0 that's not gonna get it done. This is a play where if you had an X you could trust to get open the right side of the field would be an automatic read.

 

Miami sent cover 0 and dared one of our receivers to get open quickly. Shockingly they won that bet.

Lol

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The game complexion changes entirely having 16 vs 13 when Miami has 23. Oh heck maybe we have 17 cuz don't go for 2. But I know I know we can't blame Josh for having a bad game it must be someone else's fault.

 

You're part of a strange faction on here that is willing to lay blame on Allen but nobody else. Allen has to play better but firing the head coach is an appalling idea. I really don't get it but you can have whatever opinions you want. Luckily the vast majority of the fanbase has woken up to the truth so I don't really feel compelled to engage with it seriously anymore.

 

I'm old enough to remember when people called Matt Stafford an overrated choker. Then he got scooped up by Sean McVay and immediately won a Super Bowl. I'm gonna guess there were a lot of Detroit fans like you who couldn't separate the process from the result.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You're part of a strange faction on here that is willing to lay blame on Allen but nobody else. Allen has to play better but firing the head coach is an appalling idea. I really don't get it but you can have whatever opinions you want. Luckily the vast majority of the fanbase has woken up to the truth so I don't really feel compelled to engage with it seriously anymore.

 

I'm old enough to remember when people called Matt Stafford an overrated choker. Then he got scooped up by Sean McVay and immediately won a Super Bowl. I'm gonna guess there were a lot of Detroit fans like you who couldn't separate the process from the result.

I'm not solely blaming Allen but he needs to get some blame today. Sorry but his play for most of that game was garbage just like against Atlanta. Both big reasons we lost those games. I'm old enough to remember when people did the same thing with Jim Kelly who couldn't run a traditional offense and if he could we might have won Super Bowl XXV.

Edited 2 hours ago by The Jokeman

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Interesting to me that he threw all the way to the #1 in the trips to the wide side of the field when he knew it was a pressure look, instead of taking the boundary 1 on 1.

 

I don't think it's very interesting. Most throws to Coleman are wasted downs. There's no reason to make him the primary read, certainly not in this game where he was a complete no show until their backup's backup was covering him.

[SCBills]

I don’t think it matters. 
 

The WR’s, especially without Palmer, are absolute trash. 
 

We should honestly look at trading Kincaid because they can’t pay his dead giveaway of a passing play, broken down brittle self.  
 

But this is what we have.  Josh Allen and an elite OL. 

 

If Brady can’t make it work, or get through to Josh in the ways he needs to, then what are we doing?

[JohnNord]

If you listen to the McDermott press conference you can tell he’s annoyed at the offense, Joe Brady and his WR room.

 

He said the Bills should be able to move the ball downfield with Josh.

 

he cited a reason for not being able to do so was because the receivers were covered.  
 

He also mentioned how many times they went 3 and out.  

The most fascinating part was when Jay Skurski (who asks some pretty tough questions) said that Beane believed this was a Super Bowl roster and asked McDermott if he believed that and he said “I love these players.”  That’s not exactly a confirmation.  
 

All of this leads me to believe he’s not happy with the talent (WR) or the overall offense 

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t think it matters. 
 

The WR’s, especially without Palmer, are absolute trash. 
 

We should honestly look at trading Kincaid because they can’t pay his dead giveaway of a passing play, broken down brittle self.  
 

But this is what we have.  Josh Allen and an elite OL. 

 

If Brady can’t make it work, or get through to Josh in the ways he needs to, then what are we doing?

I think McDermott’s close to getting rid of him 

Edited 2 hours ago by JohnNord

[Maine-iac]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the play:

 

Shavers takes a full 4 seconds after the snap to work open enough to where he can even get his head around. Against cover 0 that's not gonna get it done. This is a play where if you had an X you could trust to get open the right side of the field would be an automatic read.

 

Miami sent cover 0 and dared one of our receivers to get open quickly. Shockingly they won that bet.

So are you saying Allen couldn't have made the throw?

 

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm with you. 30-16 looks a lot better on paper.

Cook doesn't fumble in the red zone and Allen hits the TD here it's at worst 17 to 10 or Cook doesn't fumble and we score a TD it's 16 to 14 if Allen throws a TD here.  Mind you we score again at the beginning of the 4th and it's 21 to 16 us.  The next fumble from Allen Achane took to the house two plays later so it's not impossible to imagine that if Allen doesn't fumble you not only could add 3 points for us but take 7 off the board for Miami and we scored another TD after that.   For all the pointing at Brady there were plenty of points left on the field.  

[EmotionallyUnstable]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think it's very interesting. Most throws to Coleman are wasted downs. There's no reason to make him the primary read, certainly not in this game where he was a complete no show until their backup's backup was covering him.

And waiting four seconds to throw all the way across the field was the better option? The read here should have been to the 1 on 1, but like you alluded to earlier in this thread, Allen is likely captive to the limitations and doing too much because of it.

[Herc11]

Brady had the luxury of having Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson in the only good offense he coached. When you have elite guys like that, it covers your flaws. Now that he doesn't have Elite WRs, his lack of ability to truly game plan and scheme is being revealed.