All-or-nothing football fans

[fergie's ire]

21 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Football is a super high variance sport and there are so few games in the season that it’s just really prone to causing short term overreactions positive or negative.

 

if you change one or two plays you can turn a comfortable win for a team into a loss in a lot of the games so in a smallish sample size there’s just really no way to tell how good a team is 

Agree 100%, but I think what frustrates the OP and certainly frustrates me is why can't people ever learn this? The NFL is weird...so to act like you know something for certain in terms of who is good or bad is a bit crazy.  A few weeks ago, the Chiefs were terrible and might not make the playoffs, then they were a juggernaut headed for another Super Bowl...and now people are again questioning whether they'll make the playoffs.  The Packers were great...but then they weren't...but then they were...and now, not so much again.  Detroit, same thing.  Chargers.  Bo Nix had come down to earth and was a bad quarterback who, 3/4 through the Giants game had only managed to put up 13 points total in almost 2 games against the Jersey teams.  Then he puts up 33 in a quarter...and 44 the next week. And yet people love to say with certainty that team X is great and is a lock to make the Super Bowl and team Y sucks and doesn't stand a chance of making the playoffs.

[boater]

32 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I stood in front of a very drunk fire McDermott guy at the game yesterday.  Literally tried to break the record for f words in a 4 quarter football game.   The good news is he could coach the team better if they need him to.

 

Point being- a lot of people say a lot of things, most of them are idiots.

 

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."  -- George Carlin

 

Unfortunately, we see this dictum proved everyday.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

But the Chiefs are one of the teams that shut down the run. And the Bills ran on them anyway. And when they packed the box, the Bills completed a pass downfield to Moore. It's there. But I agree that some things are needed, and I expect the Bills to get a WR and a rotation pass rusher in the next 24 hours or so. 

Prior to our game the Chiefs rated 21st in Success rate and 22nd in EPA against the rush. Jones is not having a good year and I noted we would be able to run on them. OP called out how quickly things change. I'm just calling out that things really didn't change nor was it any different weeks ago prior to the two losses. To expect actual change players need to develop. The secondary could be a source of actual change this year. But as far as saying we are fixed or we are broken, it's neither. Our formula worked flawlessly yesterday. When it doesn't we will see what we saw in our losses unless we have a reason to think it's different. Only fans swing these larger narratives like "we are fixed, sky is falling, back to being a Super Bowl team".  

[harryS]

I don't even think I've seen the rollercoaster OP is talking about.  We've been appropriately calm after this win, imo.  No declarations of winning the Super Bowl or going crazy about beating KC in the regular season.  That is old hat, after all, and as of today we are a wild-card team, nothing more.

 

And I don't know about others, but I predicted beating Carolina and KC.  Nothing to get excited over yet.

[ngbills]

99% of people never said we suck. Its more of are we good enough to win in the playoffs. 

[Low Positive]

10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Prior to our game the Chiefs rated 21st in Success rate and 22nd in EPA against the rush. Jones is not having a good year and I noted we would be able to run on them. OP called out how quickly things change. I'm just calling out that things really didn't change nor was it any different weeks ago prior to the two losses. To expect actual change players need to develop. The secondary could be a source of actual change this year. But as far as saying we are fixed or we are broken, it's neither. Our formula worked flawlessly yesterday. When it doesn't we will see what we saw in our losses unless we have a reason to think it's different. Only fans swing these larger narratives like "we are fixed, sky is falling, back to being a Super Bowl team".  

All true, but I don't see any "Super Bowl Teams" this year. Every team has flaws. Just need to get in and get hot down the stretch. 

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

All true, but I don't see any "Super Bowl Teams" this year. Every team has flaws. Just need to get in and get hot down the stretch. 

At the end of the day I don't see this offense being able to capitalize on a 2 minute drill to win a game vs a playoff defense nor do I see it likely we come from behind. That is IF the defense can even position us to do so. Maybe we go full Baltimore mode, but we haven't shown any glimpses of that performance since. You can see clear as day how that final drive with this offense is going to play out. We aren't going to be able to run or screen our way to the end zone. That's where I think we are.   

Edited 6 hours ago by Mikie2times

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

I think it's classic how twenty-four hours ago the obvious truth about the Bills (nationally, and among some of us Bills loyalists) was that they were a second-rate team with no shot at the Super Bowl. 

 

And now they are back as one of the favorites.

 

I don't think the way the media (and some fans) react to games is rational. After a game like this you get three days of people shouting unequivocal opinions that they will reverse by next Monday in order to shout about something else. 

 

It's funny, when it's not exhausting. 

 

To be fair, yesterday was the best the Bills have looked all year long.  It was the first time they've played strong for four full quarters, regardless of opponent.  Even the blowouts they had against the Jets and Panthers were very unimpressive performances by the passing offense, and those games felt more like the other team throwing up on themselves than us actually being dominant.

 

If another team like the Chiefs or Ravens took until Week 9/Game 8 to finally put things together, we would (justifiably) be calling them overrated and beatable.  In fact, the same Bills fans that are saying "all that matters is getting the win"... are the same ones saying the Patriots are frauds because of their easy schedule, and we will easily pass them by year's end.  They were also the same ones saying that Kansas City wasn't as good as their record last season.

 

Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong being critical.  Yes, of course all teams are flawed.  But until the Bills hoist that trophy, they haven't earned trust and confidence from the fanbase.  Most of us expect bad things to happen eventually, because that's what happens every season.  

 

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

The entire game.  He complained the entire game.     Incessant, and to no one in particular.     I kept looking at him wondering if I should tell him to calm down.   But given his state I knew it would only go one way.  Him throwing some sloppy drunken punch with his teenage son looking on. 

 

 

300 level? 

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, Breakout Squad said:

300 level? 

100s

[Breakout Squad]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

100s

I like to drink but people that can’t respect their fellow fans are the worst. 

[harryS]

Also, here's a little secret.  The Chiefs were wildly overrated heading into yesterday's game.

 

The 3-game winning streak they ran off to go from "The Chiefs are in trouble this year" to "The Chiefs are back, baby, and are the Super Bowl favorites!" consisted of:

(1) Home game against Lions team that was devastated by injuries in the secondary

(2) Home game against the Raiders who suck generally but were also missing their two best players in Brock Bowers and Maxx Crosby

(3) Home game against the Redskins playing without Jayden Daniels and a banged up Terry McLaurin.

 

How in the world do those 3 home wins all of a sudden mean the Chiefs should be road favorites in Buffalo?

 

That's why I confidently picked the Bills pregame.

[Dr. K]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's the way it always is and has been.  The media sizes up teams every week.  It's just entertainment so what does it matter?   If you let what the Stephen A's say impact how you feel that's your own failing.  I know the Bills were not the subject of national discussion for a couple decades but they've been a SB contender for 6 seasons now.   You've been around too long to be noticing and lamenting it now.

I take your point. 

 

What I'm saying is that I'm old enough to be tired of it. Or to find it absurd, like a bunch of hens squabbling in the barnyard. 

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Breakout Squad said:

I like to drink but people that can’t respect their fellow fans are the worst. 

Same.   I love to have a few Labatts and watch sports.   Usually its at home.   

 

I dont think he was a bad guy really just got way out over his skis.    He was too drunk to even understand how annoying he was being.

[Buffalo ill]

One could also say blind homerism is equally as dumb in a different way

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

Same.   I love to have a few Labatts and watch sports.   Usually its at home.   

 

I dont think he was a bad guy really just got way out over his skis.    He was too drunk to even understand how annoying he was being.

I never understand people who spend all that money on a ticket just to drink so much that they don't remember the game. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

2 hours ago, Dr. K said:

I think it's classic how twenty-four hours ago the obvious truth about the Bills (nationally, and among some of us Bills loyalists) was that they were a second-rate team with no shot at the Super Bowl. 

 

And now they are back as one of the favorites.

 

I don't think the way the media (and some fans) react to games is rational. After a game like this you get three days of people shouting unequivocal opinions that they will reverse by next Monday in order to shout about something else. 

 

It's funny, when it's not exhausting. 

You’d love the GDT 

[Breakout Squad]

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I never understand people who spend all that money on a ticket just to drink so much that they don't remember the game. 

Early 2000’s I don’t think anyone wanted to remember the games 😝

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

One could also say blind homerism is equally as dumb in a different way

 

My 93-year-old mother has rooted for the Bills since their inception.

 

She knows nothing about the X's and O's, point spreads or takes part in watching any "talking heads" opinions.

All while blindly cheering them on every week.

 

I find no problem with fans like that.  They are hoping for "their team" to win, no matter what.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 hour ago, fergie's ire said:

people love to say with certainty that team X is great and is a lock to make the Super Bowl and team Y sucks and doesn't stand a chance of making the playoffs.

I can say with certainty that the Dolphins suck and don’t stand a chance of making the playoffs 

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

My 93-year-old mother has rooted for the Bills since their inception.

 

She knows nothing about the X's and O's, point spreads or takes part in watching any "talking heads" opinions.

All while blindly cheering them on every week.

 

I find no problem with fans like that.  They are hoping for "their team" to win, no matter what.

I’ve got no problem with fans like that either … until they get all self righteous and tell other fans that they’re not real fans and that they should find another team 😂