Justin Fields benched

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You'd think so, but the Browns just traded Flacco in the division and the Jets arent much better managed than the Browns so...

 

 

Wilson is in his prime and an elite level receiver. Flacco is nearing the end of his career. I don't know if there has ever been a trade within the division for a player as good as Wilson is. The Jets would ask for a lot as the Bills would have to pay more than say an NFC team or an AFC team outside the division.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Wilson is in his prime and an elite level receiver. Flacco is nearing the end of his career. I don't know if there has ever been a trade within the division for a player as good as Wilson is. The Jets would ask for a lot as the Bills would have to pay more than say an NFC team or an AFC team outside the division.

 

Oh I dont disagree, just taking the chance to knock the Jets and the fact they may be just dumb enough to do it.

[Gregg]

 

[nuklz2594]

waiting for shaddeur to be traded to jets

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Wilson is in his prime and an elite level receiver. Flacco is nearing the end of his career. I don't know if there has ever been a trade within the division for a player as good as Wilson is. The Jets would ask for a lot as the Bills would have to pay more than say an NFC team or an AFC team outside the division.

Most recent I can think of is Hockensen from Detroit to Minnesota. Glenn was in Detroit at the time 

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

I would love it if the Bills could trade for Garrett Wilson but that isn't happening for the same reason the Dolphins won't trade Waddle here.

That reason isn't because they're in the same division.  The reason neither can be traded is because the cap hit to the team trading them would destroy each teams ability to field a competitive roster (not like either team has one now😄). 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/76858/garrett-wilson

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72385/jaylen-waddle

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

20 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Exactly. 

I see Cook was undrafted out of Missouri, but his raw athleticism looks o.k. What do you have to lose? If gets shutout the rest of the season it gives Aaron Glenn an excuse. And the first overall.

Glenn has been an absolute disaster. He should be one and done. 
 

Everyone likes to point out when teams start 0 and whatever that there are turnarounds like Detroit or signs of a culture being built. Hell, even when Gailey was here they had some great games, near upset victories and huge scoring games. It’s not just being a bad team, but showing signs the culture is being developed. The Lions were a tough out by the end of Campbells first season, the Bills were scoring in bunches with no name players with Gailey. There were signs it could get better. 
 

The Jets are lifeless. They have already sunk 30 million into a bust at the most important position (hand picked by the culture builder Glenn) The owner is calling them out to the media as if he wasn’t signing the checks. Now Glenn isn’t going to reveal his starting QB like it offers any advantage against the Bengals. They are going to start getting blown out by multiple scores. 
 

Glenn should have been fired when he sat on his hands with 30 seconds left in the half with his team at midfield against Denver. They lost that game by 2 points and were nearly in FG range. He smiled as his team put up a white flag

[Gregg]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Glenn has been an absolute disaster. He should be one and done. 
 

Everyone likes to point out when teams start 0 and whatever that there are turnarounds like Detroit or signs of a culture being built. Hell, even when Gailey was here they had some great games, near upset victories and huge scoring games. It’s not just being a bad team, but showing signs the culture is being developed. The Lions were a tough out by the end of Campbells first season, the Bills were scoring in bunches with no name players with Gailey. There were signs it could get better. 
 

The Jets are lifeless. They have already sunk 30 million into a bust at the most important position (hand picked by the culture builder Glenn) The owner is calling them out to the media as if he wasn’t signing the checks. Now Glenn isn’t going to reveal his starting QB like it offers any advantage against the Bengals. They are going to start getting blown out by multiple scores. 
 

Glenn should have been fired when he sat on his hands with 30 seconds left in the half with his team at midfield against Denver. They lost that game by 2 points and were nearly in FG range. He smiled as his team put up a white flag

 

Glenn's claim to fame as a Jets was, he was the CB Marino torched with the Fake Spike play.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Wilson is in his prime and an elite level receiver. Flacco is nearing the end of his career. I don't know if there has ever been a trade within the division for a player as good as Wilson is. The Jets would ask for a lot as the Bills would have to pay more than say an NFC team or an AFC team outside the division.

Marshall faulk who was traded inside the same division is  Hall of famer

 

Super rare but both players better than Garrett Wilson

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

Glenn's claim to fame as a Jets was, he was the CB Marino torched with the Fake Spike play.

 

 

 

 

Marshall faulk definitely same division but I just looked it up and Eric Dickerson was traded in conference not the same division so I have one guy who's a stud

Edited Thursday at 08:36 PM by Buffalo716

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, ryguy101 said:

Oh of course... I truly am surprised Daboll hasn't been curbed yet

 

Mara is clueless.  Been so for years

[Ray Stonada]

Six pages on Justin Fields being benched is impressive.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

"I know someone who can help that young man, and the Jets..."

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

I would love it if the Bills could trade for Garrett Wilson but that isn't happening for the same reason the Dolphins won't trade Waddle here.

 

The are 0-7 with Wilson.  Keeping him for his entire contract won't change that--he's useless on that team.  There is no foreseeable future where the Jets will dominate the Bills in the division.

 

When you are the worst team in the NFL,  you unload your best player for as many assets as possible to dig yourself out of a deep pit.  Trading him in the division won't harm the Jets even a little bit.  But that organization from ownership on down  through the FO and coaching staff are just too stupid to continue.

[Albany,n.y.]

16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The are 0-7 with Wilson.  Keeping him for his entire contract won't change that--he's useless on that team.  There is no foreseeable future where the Jets will dominate the Bills in the division.

 

When you are the worst team in the NFL,  you unload your best player for as many assets as possible to dig yourself out of a deep pit.  Trading him in the division won't harm the Jets even a little bit.  But that organization from ownership on down  through the FO and coaching staff are just too stupid to continue.

Not when your dead cap hit is $40 million.

[boyst]

On 10/23/2025 at 9:34 AM, Gregg said:

 

Wilson is in his prime and an elite level receiver. Flacco is nearing the end of his career. I don't know if there has ever been a trade within the division for a player as good as Wilson is. The Jets would ask for a lot as the Bills would have to pay more than say an NFC team or an AFC team outside the division.

People forget how big the Bledsoe trade was. 

2x all pro

Multiple years as pro bowl in a league with colossal QB giants: favre, Kelly, Elway, Marino, a young Manning)

All but 1 year over 3000 yards.

 

He was the highest paid player in the league. 

 

Bledsoe being traded was giant. 

[Gregg]

Just now, boyst said:

People forget how big the Bledsoe trade was. 

2x all pro

Multiple years as pro bowl in a league with colossal QB giants: favre, Kelly, Elway, Marino, a young Manning)

All but 1 year over 3000 yards.

 

He was the highest paid player in the league. 

 

Bledsoe being traded was giant. 

 

I forgot about Bledsoe. Both he and Flutie had some nice moments with Bills, but it seemed like they were only here 15 minutes as opposed to Ferguson, Kelly and now of course Allen

[boyst]

10 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I forgot about Bledsoe. Both he and Flutie had some nice moments with Bills, but it seemed like they were only here 15 minutes as opposed to Ferguson, Kelly and now of course Allen

at the time of Rob Johnson was traded it was also a very high profile thing. many teams were interested in him. in the same conference that was a questionable decision considering Brunnell was still young and building into his career.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

23 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

That reason isn't because they're in the same division.  The reason neither can be traded is because the cap hit to the team trading them would destroy each teams ability to field a competitive roster (not like either team has one now😄). 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/76858/garrett-wilson

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72385/jaylen-waddle

 

 

 

Nothing would destroy the acquiring teams cap hit this year.  They both have very low base salaries for 2025.  

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Nothing would destroy the acquiring teams cap hit this year.  They both have very low base salaries for 2025.  

But their current teams can't withstand the cap hit caused by trading them away.  Both contracts were structured with the early cap years being low, but the penalty for trading or releasing the player severe.  

 

Miami has a bigger problem than Waddle.  They're stuck with Tua through next season with dead cap hits this year & next in the $100 million range.  

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47598/tua-tagovailoa

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Albany,n.y. said:

But their current teams can't withstand the cap hit caused by trading them away.  Both contracts were structured with the early cap years being low, but the penalty for trading or releasing the player severe.  

 

Miami has a bigger problem than Waddle.  They're stuck with Tua through next season with dead cap hits this year & next in the $100 million range.  

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47598/tua-tagovailoa

 

It wouldn't be though.  For both contracts they'd be eating cap in 2026 not 2025.  Both teams would save just the small base salaries against the cap in 2025, and have dead money hits in 2026.  

 

For Wilson:

The 20M option bonus for 2026 get picked up by the acquiring team as its triggered by being on a roster on the 5th league day of 2026. Thats 4M per year over 5 years.  In 2027 the 10M option bonus triggers which is 2M annually over 5 years through 2031.  

 

The Jets would lessen the 2025 hit to 5.78M, and then eat 11M in 2026.  Acquiring team would have a 1.25M cap hit for 2025, and 7.074M cap hit for 2026 (3M base salary, 4M of the prorated option bonus) - with 4 additional years at 4M annually as an option bonus thats basically a guaranteed mid-contract signing bonus.  

 

For Waddle: 

They'd eat the signing bonus and option bonus that are already slated for this year at around 6.75M, then it looks like around 20M in 2026.  This is kinda up in the air as i don't know if they already lowered the 2026 salary into a bonus.  The overthecap tool says they did, but it might not be.  If they did, it only hits their dead cap if the money was paid to waddle, so my assumption would be... 5 years @ 3M that was spread from the 2025 salary.