Can everyone just take a freakin breath?

[CincyBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, BananaB said:

A few weeks ago when he was asked about the WR separation he said something on the lines that if he throws the ball better they won’t need separation.  Kind of made me laugh.  That is who he is though. There isn’t a person more valuable in this organization than him, if he wants change he’s gonna have to speak up himself. 

I agree.  While I respect Allen for this it's also not sustainable in a sport that relies so heavily on TEAM performance.  Think about the Super Bowls Bills and all the help Kelly got from Thomas, Reed, Loften, Beebe & Metzelars.  All the incredible catches and plays made almost every week. This season we are lucky to see 1 or 2 great plays per month by the receivers.

 

Even during the drought years think about the quality of WR in Buffalo:  Moulds, Johnson, Evans, Price, Woods & Josh Reed.  Only Diggs and maybe Beasley could match those guys.

 

 

[dgrochester55]

Buffalo is not going to get any better under McDermott and Beane. I am also an Orioles fan and they were the exact same way under Buck Showalter from 2012-2018.  Fast turnaround and promising playoff run after a long period of time, but spinning their wheels and refusing to address the weaknesses in pitching and depth, drafting and signing the wrong people until eventually the wheels feel off fast and they were back to being awful again for a few years after.

 

My worry is that Buffalo is doing the same, our cap is locked with defensive players and receivers who disappear for games at a time and most of our free agents do not pan out. Today's game was the first time that I saw the same thing potentially happening here, if we play like that, we will be lucky to win another two games this season. Close losses to young and hungry Patriots and Falcons teams is one thing, but there is no excuse for a blowout loss against a team that fell apart at the seams over the last couple of weeks. McDermott is football's version of Showalter and it is time to move on before it is too late.

Edited 8 hours ago by dgrochester55

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Id take the anger and screaming over sitting on the end of the bench with a tablet. 

Well that's something that's been Josh Allen for a long time now 

 

You don't really see him rile up the troops anymore .. you don't see him slapping up guys on the sidelines and getting them pumped up 

 

He is kind of a quiet leader.. most of his pumping up is in the locker room or in the tunnel

 

Like I do believe he can take another step as a leader by holding people as accountable as he does himself you... I know he's a great teammate but that doesn't mean he can't demand the best out of you

Edited 8 hours ago by Buffalo716

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Well that's something that's been Josh Allen for a long time now 

 

You don't really see him rile up the troops anymore .. you don't see him slapping up guys on the sidelines and getting them pumped up 

 

He is kind of a quiet leader.. most of his pumping up is in the locker room or in the tunnel

 

It comes with the job though.  They are paying him in part to lead the team.

[Chaos]

18 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

My biggest issue is the Bills feel like they are stuck.   When they were bad during draught the team could at least sell hope, the only way to go was up.    Right now, it feels like we are stuck in a slow degradation of bad contracts, aging stars, and leadership you cant trust to be flexible enough to improve this quickly enough.   They've gotten away from failing fast.  

 

Beane has been so stubborn about WR the last two years that he now finds himself in a position where he almost has to overpay via trade this offseason.  If they gamble in the draft again you may find yourself in a situation where the WR you draft is maturing when your franchise QB is 34 or 35 years old, if they become good at all. 

 

 

 

 

The Colts (Manning years) , Steelers (Big Ben years), Patriots (Voltomort years) all reached the pinnacle and reloaded regularly, all built around a Super Star QB.  The chiefs are down some this year, but they have won a couple of super bowls and the Mahome era will never be considered a failure.  You see the Rams rapidly rebuildind, and the Eagles reloading each year.   Bills really haven't reached the pinnacle, and dont seem to know how to reload. (hint - in 2025, its not drafting guys that take 3 to 4 years to developand then sign to long term contracts).   Bills management is better than a lot of teams (Jets, Titans, Dolphins, Jaguars) but they really are not in the top tier.     Josh Allen is my favorite athlete to root for in my life (I am a senior citizen).  But someone needs to figure out if we 1) are rebuilding rapidly around Allen. And if this is the choice, are Beane and McDermott the right guys to do this or 2) and its painful to say, Consider if Allen could be used to for a drove of picks.  And if that is the case, are Beane and McDermott the right guys to manage it.  It does not seem fathomable that we are going to continue to follow the strategy combining running it back with putting the band back together (Phillips, Davis, White, Pryor, Trubisky)

[Buffalo716]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

 

It comes with the job though.  They are paying him in part to lead the team.

As I said he could improve even his leadership a bit 

 

If he got a little loud and demanded accountability.. demanded you play with your best effort 

 

You don't have to be an all pro but you need to run every route hard and block hard etc ... He was just with Manning doing that little skit.. I'm surprised Manning didn't tell him he needs to sometimes take the bull by the horns 

 

Peyton had no problem ringing into anybody

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

As I said he could improve even his leadership a bit 

 

If he got a little loud and demanded accountability.. demanded you play with your best effort 

 

You don't have to be an all pro but you need to run every route hard and block hard etc ... He was just with Manning doing that little skit.. I'm surprised Manning didn't tell him he needs to sometimes take the bull by the horns 

 

Peyton had no problem ringing into anybody

 

Peyton is the exact guy I was thinking about.  He had no issue tearing into guys.   He didnt discriminate, he even tore into Hall of Famers.

[CincyBillsFan]

33 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The Colts (Manning years) , Steelers (Big Ben years), Patriots (Voltomort years) all reached the pinnacle and reloaded regularly, all built around a Super Star QB.  The chiefs are down some this year, but they have won a couple of super bowls and the Mahome era will never be considered a failure.  You see the Rams rapidly rebuildind, and the Eagles reloading each year.   Bills really haven't reached the pinnacle, and dont seem to know how to reload. (hint - in 2025, its not drafting guys that take 3 to 4 years to developand then sign to long term contracts).   Bills management is better than a lot of teams (Jets, Titans, Dolphins, Jaguars) but they really are not in the top tier.     Josh Allen is my favorite athlete to root for in my life (I am a senior citizen).  But someone needs to figure out if we 1) are rebuilding rapidly around Allen. And if this is the choice, are Beane and McDermott the right guys to do this or 2) and its painful to say, Consider if Allen could be used to for a drove of picks.  And if that is the case, are Beane and McDermott the right guys to manage it.  It does not seem fathomable that we are going to continue to follow the strategy combining running it back with putting the band back together (Phillips, Davis, White, Pryor, Trubisky)

Good points:

 

You make a compelling argument that McD/Bean are not nearly as good as 7 or 8 coaches/GM pair's who have built Super Bowl winning teams around elite QBs and managed to reload while doing it.  Sure McD/Bean are better then the dumpster fires in places like NY, Miami, Tennessee and others but that is faint praise.

 

I think the answer to whether or not we're rebuilding rapidly around Allen is "no, we are not" and worse what we are doing is strategically wrong headed and counter productive.

 

And I don't think McD/Bean are the right guys to do it.  I'll wait until the end of the season to more firmly decide, because for me hope springs eternal, but ever since 13 seconds I have slowly but surely lost confidence in those two to get it right with Allen.  It's not a straight down drop it's more along the lines of 2 steps back then one step forward followed by 2 steps back, etc.

 

As for swapping Allen for a bunch of picks that is coming from the Mike Greenberg suggestion that the Jets offer all 5 of their 1st round picks for Joe Burrow.  It's a great thought exercise over a beer but I can't see the Bills ever doing that.  Allen, not first round picks is the key to winning a Bills SB and unless the Bills got better after Allen left Pegula would soon have trouble filling up that brand new palace the tax payer just built. And I have a sneaky suspicion that wherever Allen went a SB might be in their future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[saundena]

This year I realized that McBeane isn't the answer.  They are very good but hit their ceiling.

 

The roster isn't great and we've spent so much on trying to build a defensive line (that we still don't have) and in the mean time sacrificed offensive skill positions.  Other than Josh, the only all star group we have is at OL.

 

My real fear is that Josh has peaked physically.  Hos big play escapablity is lacking and I'm afraid he's turning into Cam Newton.  I don't think he achieves 40 TD this year.  

 

We have a Ferrari at QB but we put crap tires and cheap gas in it.  He's going to need more and more roster help and I don't think McBeane are the people to build it or coach it.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Fireable offense in itself.

 

Have you watched the NFL ever?

 

It happens all the time.

[Disgusted ills fan]

On 10/14/2025 at 8:09 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

This freakin place is so awful after a loss. Obviously 2 in a row makes it way worse.

 

We're making the playoffs. That's all i care about. I would love the #1 seed, but I reject any notion we need it. McDermott's playoff road record may be 0-whatever, but that leaves out the fact that other than 2019 (when we weren't this iteration of the Bills and Josh Allen wasn't yet Elite), every road playoff loss came against the Chiefs.

 

That proves somehow we're doomed on the road against other teams in the playoffs??? Totally disagree.

 

I also think this crowning of NE is really premature.

 

Guys, before the season started looking at our schedule to start the season I think we all would have been happy with 5-1 at the bye. We're one game off that pace with a mass of circumstances I think we underestimated.

 

Let's just take a step back for a moment and look at what really happened against Atlanta.

 

Our #1 receiving weapon who's become Josh’s most reliable target and finally seemed ready to break into that "Elite TE" category was out.

 

Josh Palmer got injured on the 2nd series and I really think that killed our offensive passing game. It was clear to me the Bills were about to integrate him more into the offense. Even the commentators brought up the conversations they had with Bills coaches last week about Palmer's deceptive speed.

 

Daquan Jones suffered a calf injury during warmups leaving us with 3 active DTs, one of them being Ed Oliver coming off injury. (Side note: Deonne Walker is going to be awesome!) 3 DT rotation against Bijan and Algier??? Yikes!

 

Bernard gets hurt mid game and exits. 

 

McGovern gets hurt and comes back clearly still hobbled.

 

 

Plus we have 2 important defensive reinforcements coming in right after the bye and hopefully Hairston can play soon after.

 

Say whatever about our remaining schedule but none of these teams are that scary. The Bengals will probably still be starting Flacco and their D sucks. The Eagles (as stated) look like the NFC version of us. 

 

Kansas City is, in reality, an inconsistent up and down team we're going to play at home and is the one team on our schedule this team doesn't look past. Yes they got players back, but they lost last week against the Jags with Worthy and it baffles my mind the way Rashee Rice is talked about as an Elite WR who will inevitably unlock their offense. The guy has played 20 NFL games and surpassed 100 yards a whopping 4 times. I'm not saying he won't be good and won't help, but the whole "uh oh!!! It's the high power Chiefs of 5 years ago!" is pretty ridiculous.

 

The Bucs and Steelers look good, but how much do we really think that lasts?

 

We aren't going undefeated after the bye, but who cares? January into (hopefully) February is all that matters. Just get there.

 

Take the bye, get healthy... take a breath. 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Disgusted ills fan said:

 

 

Guess what... the #1 seed is also still very in reach, too. No team in the entire NFL has less than 2 losses. The Bills have 3.

 

Getting the #1 seed would be nice, but it's not like it's a deal-breaker for winning the Super Bowl.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 hours ago, Chaos said:

What the foundation? other than josh and a couple of olinemen, and hairston (based on two games) its not clear anyone coming in would want to keep any of the aging slow players, or the younger always broken players.  And no other head coach would be pining to keep this coaching staff. The McDermott mirage has been exposed as a function of Josh Allen on rookie contract, with strong team, then Josh Allen by himself, and the most horrid division in football as the source of success.  Now that the patriots have a modestly good team, the wheels are flying off the mirage. 

The culture. He came to a perennially loser and now they’re a perennially winner. I’m one of the last people on this board to give McDermott credit but he deserves some for that. Obviously, it is more tied to Josh but McDermott gets some.

6 hours ago, QCity said:

 

 

I know losses to division rivals are painful, but Beane is not going anywhere guys.

The public heat was turned way up even before the season. It’s only gotten worse. He’s absolutely not a lock to be back. He MAY be back but this isn’t like years past. He has been crushed publicly since April. What the public was worried about has come to fruition. I think it’s more likely than not that there’s someone else handling the roster this offseason.

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

No I can't take a breath. McBeane has had eight years to figure this out. I've been waiting 52 years for a title. The best QB in franchise history is being wasted. McDermott has taken a Ferrari and turned it into a Prius. This game is just another in a growing line of McDermott disasters. Team was completely unprepared yesterday and came out like it was a casual pick up game on a Saturday with a keg of beer on the sideline.

[EssexBill]

Some people have perfectly reasonable points and I respect the opinion about how bad we are and should blow it up etc… even if I don’t agree with it (yet), but some people are so hysterical it’s hilarious to read. Probably the same type of people who were saying when we were 4-0 how they didn’t see any games that we’d lose for the whole season.

 

Has everyone forgotten that we went 7-6 twice in the last few years and then pulled it around to end the season 11-6 both times and end up 13 seconds and a missed throw to Shakir from being in the AFC championship both times? We’re 6-3 and one game behind the patriots, I’m not happy with how we’re playing but the sky hasn’t fallen in yet, the injuries on defence are a killer but I expect a strong reaction next week against the buccs, if we get hammered again (at home) then I’ll start to worry a bit more but not yet

Edited 1 hour ago by EssexBill

[Trogdor]

5 hours ago, saundena said:

This year I realized that McBeane isn't the answer.  They are very good but hit their ceiling.

 

The roster isn't great and we've spent so much on trying to build a defensive line (that we still don't have) and in the mean time sacrificed offensive skill positions.  Other than Josh, the only all star group we have is at OL.

 

My real fear is that Josh has peaked physically.  Hos big play escapablity is lacking and I'm afraid he's turning into Cam Newton.  I don't think he achieves 40 TD this year.  

 

We have a Ferrari at QB but we put crap tires and cheap gas in it.  He's going to need more and more roster help and I don't think McBeane are the people to build it or coach it.

Daboll was right about the offense and McD was wrong. The heavy TE set rushing offense with Allen should be criminal. Beane also talked a lot of ***** about the Whaley cap management, but look at how awful the current roster is with no space. I'd force my way out like Eichel if I'm Allen, the Pegulas are not good owners and it will take more time for action.

2 minutes ago, EssexBill said:

Some people have perfectly reasonable points and I respect the opinion about how bad we are and should blow it up etc… even if I don’t agree with it (yet), but some people are so hysterical it’s hilarious to read. Probably the same type of people who were saying when we were 4-0 how they didn’t see any games that we’d lose for the whole season.

 

Has everyone forgotten that we went 7-6 twice in the last few years and then pulled it around to end the season 11-6 both times and end up 13 seconds and a missed throw to Shakir from being in the AFC championship both times? We’re 6-3 and one game behind the patriots, I’m not happy with how we’re playing but the sky hasn’t fallen in yet, the injuries on defence are a killer but I expect a strong reaction next week against the buccs, if we get hammered again (at home) then I’ll start to worry a bit more but not yet

Who are they going to throw to? If Kincaid is hurt it's over. The secondary is about to be lit up bad by Tampa. 

[BillMafia716ix]

I’m still not in panic mode. I was a bit skeptical at first but the dominant win vs. KC gave me assurance that this team can still get to where they want to go. Right now the offense is not helping the defense. We really need Josh Palmer back to give our a WR room a jolt especially now that Kincaid is likely going to be out for a few weeks with his hammy

[EssexBill]

3 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Daboll was right about the offense and McD was wrong. The heavy TE set rushing offense with Allen should be criminal. Beane also talked a lot of ***** about the Whaley cap management, but look at how awful the current roster is with no space. I'd force my way out like Eichel if I'm Allen, the Pegulas are not good owners and it will take more time for action.

Who are they going to throw to? If Kincaid is hurt it's over. The secondary is about to be lit up bad by Tampa. 

They had a similar WR room last year (minus Cooper) and figured it out, the biggest thing is that Josh Allen isn’t playing well and seems to be in his own head, if they sort that out then the team wins 90% of home games even with the receivers we have. 
 

Having said that, I expect us to run it down tampa’s throat the same as we did KC

[BritishBill]

This is the bit of the season where the team is very up and down, confusing the hell out of us by being great sometimes and dreadful the others.

 

We're almost at the crisis point where it feels like the season is over and we're not even going to make the playoffs.

 

But don't worry, the bit where our backs are against the wall and we churn out the necessary wins to hit the playoffs on a high is not far around the corner.

 

But then another key injury or two will occur along the way...let's say....Bosa and Shakir....and we will ultimately lose to the Chiefs or Ravens in the playoffs.

 

Those who like McBeane will point to another playoffs made and the "bad luck" with injuries. 

 

Those who want McBeane gone will point to another season of Josh's prime wasted by forcing him to work miracles with a sub-par team around him.

 

Then we'll watch all the best free agents land elsewhere while we give hefty extensions to our own mediocre guys. 

 

Aaaand then we'll draft players who fit the current scheme/culture but which don't address the actual needs we have to push us over the top.

 

And we'll see the same thing happen again next season, only Josh will be another year older.

 

I think it's time to press the button and make the change at the top - or else we're forever going to be left wondering "what if", and Josh will either be a HoF guy with no rings, or he'll win one somewhere else.

[Kirby Jackson]

50 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

I’m still not in panic mode. I was a bit skeptical at first but the dominant win vs. KC gave me assurance that this team can still get to where they want to go. Right now the offense is not helping the defense. We really need Josh Palmer back to give our a WR room a jolt especially now that Kincaid is likely going to be out for a few weeks with his hammy

The issue isn’t, “can the Bills beat every NFL team?” That’s a yes. On any given day the Bills can beat any team in the NFL(and probably by multiple scores).

 

The issue is, “can the Bills win 3 or 4 consecutive playoff games to win the title?” I don’t know how anyone can say yes at the point. They could have lost to Miami in the first matchup and got whooped by them the second time. The Saints were looking for the go ahead score late. They were pounded by Atlanta. It took a miracle to beat Baltimore. It isn’t a case of the Bills not being able to look good or win a game. It’s about them being too limited to win once the playoffs start.
 

They can’t win from behind because their WRs suck and they can’t stop the run. So they need to throw to guys that aren’t open and try to stop teams from running despite giving up 5.5 YPC (or whatever it is now). You can’t have the worst WRs in the league AND give up the most YPC in the NFL. You can’t win 4 straight playoff games like that. The Bills can only win one way and that’s a major problem.

Edited 1 hour ago by Kirby Jackson