Can everyone just take a freakin breath?

[zevo]

22 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:

OK, I'll be the realist. I called the NE loss. I called the loss last night. I'm calling a tough loss to Carolina and KC.

"We are making the playoffs"... most likely, I hope. But it doesn't matter. This team is weak on D both with and without starters playing. Way too many holes. No "dawgs" on this team. Pats/Atlanta had the will to win. We don't seem to have it. 

this is kind of where im at. we have zero impact players outside of josh and cook. we have a bunch of mid players both on offensive skill and defensive side. the cap situation is rough and I dont see how this gets fixed quickly. beane has been bad with the picks. sucks to feel this way with having josh but it feels like purgatory. I look a New England and am jealous cuz I remember that ride with an up and coming qb. The only thing I can do is hope for the best this season and if it ends in failure again it may be time to clean out the front office and potentially the coaching staff. It isn't going to happen but again thats the hope. end eeyore rant.

Edited 6 hours ago by zevo

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

9 pages and no ones taking a freakin breath.  It's the same crap everywhere else on the board.  

 

The hyperbole after a loss is insane.  We win and we're super bowl bound, we lose and its doom and gloom.  There is the POSSIBILITY - that the team that played yesterday will be better in 2 weeks, and that the team that plays in december and january looks considerably different.  

[Sweats]

54 minutes ago, T master said:

I have a tendency to agree with you but I would love to see Josh get to the big game and bring him the trophy for him, the city and the team but there are those here that think the sky is falling every time a game is lost and forget the resilience of this team and it's staff .

 

I don't understand at times what some of the coaches are thinking Brady being 1 !! He had the highest scoring offend win the league last season and instead of tweaking it he has forgotten what made last year such a success & calls plays like that jet sweep on 3rd & 2 when he has what Josh calls the best 3rd down back in the league in Ty & Cook was getting 5 yds a carry WTF is up with that ???

 

The weapons are there USE THEM CORRECTLY or remember what you did last season and this to will pass !! 

 

The one thing I think our fan base forgets with all of this "Fire McD he's not worth a flip" is what happened to Philly when they fired Reid ? Sure they went back to the play offs but like when the Bills hired rex changes were made by the new coach and they had a losing season and it took time to find another winning coach that fit .

 

And in this fan base the B**CHING would be 10 fold what it is now ! This fan base is like the wife that is never happy during menopause, always complaining no matter what you give them or how nice something is they gotta B**CH about it !!

 

I think they all have sand in their mangina !! 

 

 

 

 

 

So.......we should just sit back, watching this team muddle in mediocracy until we reach JA's expiration date and wallow in discussion of "what could have been".

 

The team is just good enough to make some noise and hit the post season every year, but never just quite good enough to beat KC and never just quite good enough to get over the hump, but we almost did it, champ........we "almost" got to the dance.

You see, that might be good enough for some people, but it's not good enough for me and most fans. We want more, we expect more........so if we are spinning our wheels every season and not moving forward (going on 9 years, mind you), you're okay with this?

 

This team can be so much more........a quality HC and coaching staff should be able to bring the players along and get the best out of them and if they can't make any progress in 9 years, then perhaps they have taken the team as far as they can take them.

 

I have spoken  

[Livinginthepast]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

 

 

So.......we should just sit back, watching this team muddle in mediocracy until we reach JA's expiration date and wallow in discussion of "what could have been".

 

The team is just good enough to make some noise and hit the post season every year, but never just quite good enough to beat KC and never just quite good enough to get over the hump, but we almost did it, champ........we "almost" got to the dance.

You see, that might be good enough for some people, but it's not good enough for me and most fans. We want more, we expect more........so if we are spinning our wheels every season and not moving forward (going on 9 years, mind you), you're okay with this?

 

This team can be so much more........a quality HC and coaching staff should be able to bring the players along and get the best out of them and if they can't make any progress in 9 years, then perhaps they have taken the team as far as they can take them.

 

I have spoken  

Totally agree, way too much Pollyanna crap on this board of people satisfied with just a competitive team when we could have won championships already with better coaches and management. People seem to think that demanding more from this regime is being impolite.

[T master]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

 

 

So.......we should just sit back, watching this team muddle in mediocracy until we reach JA's expiration date and wallow in discussion of "what could have been".

 

The team is just good enough to make some noise and hit the post season every year, but never just quite good enough to beat KC and never just quite good enough to get over the hump, but we almost did it, champ........we "almost" got to the dance.

You see, that might be good enough for some people, but it's not good enough for me and most fans. We want more, we expect more........so if we are spinning our wheels every season and not moving forward (going on 9 years, mind you), you're okay with this?

 

This team can be so much more........a quality HC and coaching staff should be able to bring the players along and get the best out of them and if they can't make any progress in 9 years, then perhaps they have taken the team as far as they can take them.

 

I have spoken  

Circumstances be damned !

 

I in my heart of hearts I believe that last year the Bills would have went to the SB but in HUGE part because of the officiating and the fact IMHO the NFL in part wanted to see the Chiefs pull of the 3 peat, our team was put in a position that no matter what they did or how good they played they weren't going to win .

 

No matter what the announcers of the game saw, the ex official in the booth with Romo & Nance saw, or all of the wrong calls being made that the entire audience along with the Bills fan base saw them get screwed out of advancing because the chosen one needed to advance .

 

JMHO !!! 

[Sweats]

2 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Totally agree, way too much Pollyanna crap on this board of people satisfied with just a competitive team when we could have won championships already with better coaches and management. People seem to think that demanding more from this regime is being impolite.

 

 

 

........exactly.

 

There is no shame in our coaching staff reaching their limits and not being able to take the team any further and in fact, they should be applauded in getting the team where it is today, however, changes need to be made.

 

there are 3 rules in every situation......

* Do the right thing and it all works out

* Do the wrong thing and it doesn't work out, but at least you tried

* Do nothing and you will never know either way.........for the record, this is where we're at with this team

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

........exactly.

 

There is no shame in our coaching staff reaching their limits and not being able to take the team any further and in fact, they should be applauded in getting the team where it is today, however, changes need to be made.

 

there are 3 rules in every situation......

* Do the right thing and it all works out

* Do the wrong thing and it doesn't work out, but at least you tried

* Do nothing and you will never know either way.........for the record, this is where we're at with this team

Sure. But your second point has levels to it. I'm sure that everyone wants to hire an "offensive genius." Sometimes you get Sean McVey and sometimes you get Doug Pederson. Both of those are acceptable outcomes, but one is better than the other. But that's not the floor, because sometimes you get Chip Kelly in Philly. That was sen as an inspired move after moving on from the "stale" and "washed-up" Andy Reid. And Philly wasted 3 years on the Chip Kelly experiment. Not only did they waste three years with him as a coach, they also gave him control of the organization and let him make draft choices. Sure, fire McDermott. But do we want them taking a home run swing on the next coach, or do we want them to play it safe?

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Sure. But your second point has levels to it. I'm sure that everyone wants to hire an "offensive genius." Sometimes you get Sean McVey and sometimes you get Doug Pederson. Both of those are acceptable outcomes, but one is better than the other. But that's not the floor, because sometimes you get Chip Kelly in Philly. That was sen as an inspired move after moving on from the "stale" and "washed-up" Andy Reid. And Philly wasted 3 years on the Chip Kelly experiment. Not only did they waste three years with him as a coach, they also gave him control of the organization and let him make draft choices. Sure, fire McDermott. But do we want them taking a home run swing on the next coach, or do we want them to play it safe?

Yes, change is always accompanied by risk, but it’s becoming clearer every day that Beane/McDermott/Brady is never going to get this organization over the ultimate hump…with Josh Allen still in his prime, we have the wherewithal to attract the best of the best HC/GM/OC candidates, but that window won’t be open forever…

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

9 pages and no ones taking a freakin breath.  It's the same crap everywhere else on the board.  

 

The hyperbole after a loss is insane.  We win and we're super bowl bound, we lose and its doom and gloom.  There is the POSSIBILITY - that the team that played yesterday will be better in 2 weeks, and that the team that plays in december and january looks considerably different.  

The team has played well in only one game this year…yes, wins are what matters, but so does context.  This team has not looked the part, and that is now being reflected in the standings.  The panic is largely justified…

[Sweats]

13 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Sure. But your second point has levels to it. I'm sure that everyone wants to hire an "offensive genius." Sometimes you get Sean McVey and sometimes you get Doug Pederson. Both of those are acceptable outcomes, but one is better than the other. But that's not the floor, because sometimes you get Chip Kelly in Philly. That was sen as an inspired move after moving on from the "stale" and "washed-up" Andy Reid. And Philly wasted 3 years on the Chip Kelly experiment. Not only did they waste three years with him as a coach, they also gave him control of the organization and let him make draft choices. Sure, fire McDermott. But do we want them taking a home run swing on the next coach, or do we want them to play it safe?

 

 

 

 

If, by "playing it safe", just keep doing what we're doing and spinning our wheels every season, muddling in mediocracy with our FO never addressing glaring needs and trying to ride the coat tails of JA, then count me out.

 

I seriously think this regime has taken this team as far as they can take them and there is no shame in that, however, someone needs to be able to see that in the FO and make changes.........which will never happen.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

9 pages and no ones taking a freakin breath.  It's the same crap everywhere else on the board.  

 

The hyperbole after a loss is insane.  We win and we're super bowl bound, we lose and its doom and gloom.  There is the POSSIBILITY - that the team that played yesterday will be better in 2 weeks, and that the team that plays in december and january looks considerably different.  

 

They were  better before the 2 losses....

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

But lost. I don’t get it. Like how are you using the last few years as a positive? Showing what? That we CANT get past them? If anything you don’t want history to be repeating itself. Obviously what we have been doing isn’t good enough. We have had 6 or 7 good shots at it…

 

Yeah we lost. We lost by 1 score and a couple plays not going our way.

 

It's not like the Bills stood no chance in those games. In 2020 and 2022 the Bills were obviously outmatched. Not 2021 or the last 2 consecutive years. Those games were all a play or coaching decision or maybe even a fair and obvious 1st down call by a ref from going the other way.

 

In 2021, don't kick it in the EZ for a touch back.

 

In 2023, can the OL give Josh even a fraction of a second longer to get that ball to Shakir?

 

In 2024, can the refs AND replay assist give us an obvious 1st down on that tush push? Can Kincaid catch a ball directly in his hands?

 

Not just one score games but one play games we always end up on the wrong side of.

 

It's the NFL. One score games are frequently decided as much by luck as talent and coaching. Blowing it all up or giving up because of some in season struggles 6 games into a 17 game makes no sense.

 

Look back at 2021 please. Everyone says that was our best shot at winning the Super Bowl and it probably was. The Bills were 7-6 in mid December and had 2 losses waaaAAAaaayyyy worse than anything we've seen this year against the Jags and Colts.

 

And then what happened? 

 

That team we saw in the playoffs that year was unlike anything we saw that regular season aside from occasional glimpses.

 

And we don't go back to 2021 thinking and talking about the playoffs because playoffs are all that mattered . That's what I mean by that phrase. It's not saying I'll be satisfied with getting into the playoffs again. It's saying I just don't see the point in freaking out over our annual early season slide when it always happens.

 

And the players are human and maybe why that slide happens. Buffalo has been flat multiple games in a row. For a roster that has so much experience losing heartbreaking one and done playoff games, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's an element of finding it hard to get up for regular season opponents they "should" beat on paper.

 

Maybe that's a coaching thing because it essentially happens every year. But what's also a coaching thing is that McDermott has a pretty incredible record of righting the ship and getting his players back up after these slides.

 

Every year.

 

My own approach is to enjoy the regular season and save all the stress for the postseason. But I do understand the weekly up and downs, too.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

 

So.......we should just sit back, watching this team muddle in mediocracy until we reach JA's expiration date and wallow in discussion of "what could have been".

 

Respectfully, unless you want to stop being a Bills fan and watching football, that's all you can do.

 

Oh wait... sorry... you can go on message boards and complain about it and accomplish nothing.

[T.E.]

2 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

The hyperbole after a loss is insane.  We win and we're super bowl bound, we lose and its doom and gloom.

There were lots of people on this board who were justifiably concerned at 4-0 and said that this wasn't close to a Super Bowl team, and it was received about as well as a fart in church.

22 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

My own approach is to enjoy the regular season and save all the stress for the postseason. 

The playoffs are not a certainty.

[transplantbillsfan]

5 minutes ago, T.E. said:

The playoffs are not a certainty.

 

Nothing in life is, but anyone who would put actually put money on the Bills missing the playoffs is (respectfully and IMHO) short-sighted and overreacting and have bad memories.

 

And right now that's exactly how a lot of people seem to feel.

[Big Turk]

This should become our new theme song post loss.

 

"Red Alert! Red Alert! It's a catastrophe!

But don't worry!  Don't panic!

Ain't Nothin' going on but history, yeah...

But it's alright!  Don't Panic!"

 

Bills are 30-8 after the bye under McD and 30-7 in games with starters, not counting last years rest game.  They'll be just fine, like they always are.  This team is at their best when their best is required. At least in the regular season.

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Big Turk

[CodeMonkey]

[Mr. WEO]

On 10/14/2025 at 11:09 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

This freakin place is so awful after a loss. Obviously 2 in a row makes it way worse.

 

We're making the playoffs. That's all i care about. I would love the #1 seed, but I reject any notion we need it. McDermott's playoff road record may be 0-whatever, but that leaves out the fact that other than 2019 (when we weren't this iteration of the Bills and Josh Allen wasn't yet Elite), every road playoff loss came against the Chiefs.

 

That proves somehow we're doomed on the road against other teams in the playoffs??? Totally disagree.

 

I also think this crowning of NE is really premature.

 

Guys, before the season started looking at our schedule to start the season I think we all would have been happy with 5-1 at the bye. We're one game off that pace with a mass of circumstances I think we underestimated.

 

Let's just take a step back for a moment and look at what really happened against Atlanta.

 

Our #1 receiving weapon who's become Josh’s most reliable target and finally seemed ready to break into that "Elite TE" category was out.

 

Josh Palmer got injured on the 2nd series and I really think that killed our offensive passing game. It was clear to me the Bills were about to integrate him more into the offense. Even the commentators brought up the conversations they had with Bills coaches last week about Palmer's deceptive speed.

 

Daquan Jones suffered a calf injury during warmups leaving us with 3 active DTs, one of them being Ed Oliver coming off injury. (Side note: Deonne Walker is going to be awesome!) 3 DT rotation against Bijan and Algier??? Yikes!

 

Bernard gets hurt mid game and exits. 

 

McGovern gets hurt and comes back clearly still hobbled.

 

 

Plus we have 2 important defensive reinforcements coming in right after the bye and hopefully Hairston can play soon after.

 

Say whatever about our remaining schedule but none of these teams are that scary. The Bengals will probably still be starting Flacco and their D sucks. The Eagles (as stated) look like the NFC version of us. 

 

Kansas City is, in reality, an inconsistent up and down team we're going to play at home and is the one team on our schedule this team doesn't look past. Yes they got players back, but they lost last week against the Jags with Worthy and it baffles my mind the way Rashee Rice is talked about as an Elite WR who will inevitably unlock their offense. The guy has played 20 NFL games and surpassed 100 yards a whopping 4 times. I'm not saying he won't be good and won't help, but the whole "uh oh!!! It's the high power Chiefs of 5 years ago!" is pretty ridiculous.

 

The Bucs and Steelers look good, but how much do we really think that lasts?

 

We aren't going undefeated after the bye, but who cares? January into (hopefully) February is all that matters. Just get there.

 

Take the bye, get healthy... take a breath. 

 

The Bucs are playing better than nearly everyone despite severe injury loss.  Mayfield is playing with one healthy starter (Cade Otton) in skill positions.  Otherwise it's WR 5,6,7.  Yet they are 6th in points scored, 5-1 and they WIN games in the 4th Q. 

[stinky finger]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

How is that the truth for a roster that was a potential couple plays away from playing in the Super Bowl last year after beating another team that many believed was one of the best rosters in the NFL in Baltimore?

 

Last years D was not championship caliber. It never has been. As good as Josh is, he can't do it alone. 

 

Fast forward to this year. Opposing defenses now have zero respect for our passing game. Thus, Josh has nowhere to go with the ball and Defenses getting to him. 

 

Buffalo has become much too easy to defend and the Defense is horrible. It's amazing the lack of talent. Beane has failed to construct a team capable of winning it all. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Yeah we lost. We lost by 1 score and a couple plays not going our way.

 

It's not like the Bills stood no chance in those games. In 2020 and 2022 the Bills were obviously outmatched. Not 2021 or the last 2 consecutive years. Those games were all a play or coaching decision or maybe even a fair and obvious 1st down call by a ref from going the other way.

 

In 2021, don't kick it in the EZ for a touch back.

 

In 2023, can the OL give Josh even a fraction of a second longer to get that ball to Shakir?

 

In 2024, can the refs AND replay assist give us an obvious 1st down on that tush push? Can Kincaid catch a ball directly in his hands?

 

Not just one score games but one play games we always end up on the wrong side of.

 

It's the NFL. One score games are frequently decided as much by luck as talent and coaching. Blowing it all up or giving up because of some in season struggles 6 games into a 17 game makes no sense.

 

Look back at 2021 please. Everyone says that was our best shot at winning the Super Bowl and it probably was. The Bills were 7-6 in mid December and had 2 losses waaaAAAaaayyyy worse than anything we've seen this year against the Jags and Colts.

 

And then what happened? 

 

That team we saw in the playoffs that year was unlike anything we saw that regular season aside from occasional glimpses.

 

And we don't go back to 2021 thinking and talking about the playoffs because playoffs are all that mattered . That's what I mean by that phrase. It's not saying I'll be satisfied with getting into the playoffs again. It's saying I just don't see the point in freaking out over our annual early season slide when it always happens.

 

And the players are human and maybe why that slide happens. Buffalo has been flat multiple games in a row. For a roster that has so much experience losing heartbreaking one and done playoff games, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's an element of finding it hard to get up for regular season opponents they "should" beat on paper.

 

Maybe that's a coaching thing because it essentially happens every year. But what's also a coaching thing is that McDermott has a pretty incredible record of righting the ship and getting his players back up after these slides.

 

Every year.

 

My own approach is to enjoy the regular season and save all the stress for the postseason. But I do understand the weekly up and downs, too.

If we were 0-17 I’m still going to watch every snap. There’s no where to go. We are all stuck. I hope we win the Super Bowl by 5 touchdowns and this can all finally be worth it. Where people need to separate Is:

 

We get aggrieved and are negative because we want it so bad. It’s coming from a good place. We want what’s best for our team. If there is something working loose, we want it fixed so we can win. It’s not hate directed at them for aimless misery. It’s because we see there’s a fundamental issue and we want it addressed. It’s not complaining about the coach because he took our parking spot. It’s complaining that this guy isn’t getting the most out of our opportunity. We have the most important piece. The QB is the best player in the history of the organization. The defense is KILLING us. It’s not getting better, it’s getting worse. There needs to be wholesale changes to the issues this team has.

[Sweats]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Respectfully, unless you want to stop being a Bills fan and watching football, that's all you can do.

 

Oh wait... sorry... you can go on message boards and complain about it and accomplish nothing.

 

 

 

 

well, fans can actually give their opinions without being a "bad fan"