stlbills13 Posted yesterday at 01:31 PM Posted yesterday at 01:31 PM They gotta shake up the room on offense and defense. Get a WR and put a guy like Coleman on notice. Get a defensive back and put a Tre White, Cole Bishop, or Taylor Rapp on notice. There is a talent issue on this team but I truly believe there is also an issue that everyone is just too comfortable. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted yesterday at 01:38 PM Posted yesterday at 01:38 PM 8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I agree Meyers replacing Moore is an upgrade to me but is he going to be at his playing on the outside? No so to me it's the whole square peg in a circle hole. Meyers has played almost 50/50 (50.9/48.6 according to Pro Football Focus) in his career slot vs. boundary. The other random snaps were at TE or in the backfield. The thought that he can ONLY be a slot is wrong. 2 Quote
Andrew Son Posted yesterday at 01:43 PM Posted yesterday at 01:43 PM 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Meyers has played almost 50/50 (50.9/48.6 according to Pro Football Focus) in his career slot vs. boundary. The other random snaps were at TE or in the backfield. The thought that he can ONLY be a slot is wrong. The guy ran a 4.63 six years ago. He doesn't really add an element that we are missing IMO. If we do add a WR, I think it needs to be someone who can challenge the defense vertically. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted yesterday at 01:44 PM Posted yesterday at 01:44 PM 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think there’s certainly truth here but we are in a unique situation. I wouldn’t say that the Bills WR room “needs upgrading.” I would say “it is a bottom 3 group in the NFL and maybe last.” The best WR on the team is Shakir. He’s a good player. He’s a top 5-10 slot option and tough after the catch. He’s maybe a top 45-50ish WR. The next best WR on the team is Josh Palmer. Is he one of the 60-70 best receivers in football? Keon is probably somewhere between 80-105. These guys we are talking about aren’t elite (with the exception of AJ Brown or Garrett Wilson and those are extreme LONG shots). Olave is probably in the 25ish range. Meyers is in the 35ish range. Shaheed is in the Shakir range but a different player. Bourne is playing like a very good WR. I think we are crazy to expect these guys to come in and dominate. At the same time, pretty much every guy we have listed is, as good, or better than our best. That isn’t overvaluing them. It’s more of an indictment on how bad the room currently is. If you put any of the names mentioned on one side, Palmer on the other and Shakir in the slot, you aren’t great there. You’re barely acceptable (sans the stars). At the same time if you have the 25th, 47th and 63rd best receivers in football (or whatever) starting, that’s a big step up from 47th, 63rd and 92nd. If you ever added 2 of them….. I think its a "sum of the parts" type thing adding the right guy. We wouldn't just be "getting better at one spot". Keon kinda like the Gabe role or even Hollins last year. Guys you hate as a #2, can be plus players as a #3/#4. Improving at one spot should really help everyone else out. Which is why Ive been arguing WR over secondary. One WR (my God someone elite please) who's competent on the boundary could have a really nice synergy for the offense. Help us use space deep, but also horizontally on the field. Adding any one guy in the secondary doesnt move the needle for me. Only as strong as the weakest chain, and improving one spot doesnt raise the floor much. Thats just from a talent standpoint too, without considering a broken scheme. For a defense to stifle an Andy Reid, you have to have playmakers at every level. Its just not possible at this point of season. If we were to make a large move for the defense, the only player I can see substantially raising the floor is Hendrickson (along with the hurt guys healing up). Bosa + Hendrickson could potentially do a lot to help mask problems in the secondary.... but it still gives me major pause and would rather supe-up the offense. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted yesterday at 01:46 PM Posted yesterday at 01:46 PM (edited) 3 minutes ago, Andrew Son said: The guy ran a 4.63 six years ago. He doesn't really add an element that we are missing IMO. If we do add a WR, I think it needs to be someone who can challenge the defense vertically. To be clear, Meyers is not the 1st choice (or 2nd). If he is he guy that “they can get” though, he’s 100% an upgrade. No one is advocating for him. If your options are Meyers or status quo, it’s Meyer’s WITHOUT QUESTION. The last 3 years he’s averaging like 75 catches, 900 plus yards and 6 TDs playing with bad QBs. He would instantly be he best WR in the room. Again, he isn’t a perfect fit but they are better with him than standing pat. The skill he adds, is the ability to get open. Edited yesterday at 01:47 PM by Kirby Jackson 1 Quote
Andrew Son Posted yesterday at 01:50 PM Posted yesterday at 01:50 PM 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: To be clear, Meyers is not the 1st choice (or 2nd). If he is he guy that “they can get” though, he’s 100% an upgrade. No one is advocating for him. If your options are Meyers or status quo, it’s Meyer’s WITHOUT QUESTION. The last 3 years he’s averaging like 75 catches, 900 plus yards and 6 TDs playing with bad QBs. He would instantly be he best WR in the room. Again, he isn’t a perfect fit but they are better with him than standing pat. The skill he adds, is the ability to get open. He has the ability to get open in the same areas that Kincaid and Shakir work. If we are giving up assets it better not be to acquire a redundant skill set. Quote
billsfan89 Posted yesterday at 01:51 PM Posted yesterday at 01:51 PM 21 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I agree Meyers replacing Moore is an upgrade to me but is he going to be at his playing on the outside? No so to me it's the whole square peg in a circle hole. Meyers isn't a good fit in my opinion. Don't get me wrong he's a good player and would make the WR group better, but I think as far as possible WR's on the trade market there's better options than Meyers. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted yesterday at 01:55 PM Posted yesterday at 01:55 PM Just now, Andrew Son said: He has the ability to get open in the same areas that Kincaid and Shakir work. If we are giving up assets it better not be to acquire a redundant skill set. I don’t disagree that he primarily wins in the short and intermediate. He’s also been a very good contested catch guy. A redundant skill set that works is an upgrade from a different skill set that is ineffective. I’d rather have Shakir/Kincaid/Meyers working the short and intermediate than throwing 50/50 balls to Coleman. Again, he isn’t the perfect fit but he is a better player than what they have and shouldn’t be too expensive (I wouldn’t think). Status quo is a worse option than every single guy listed. When you have, unquestionably, a bottom 3 WR room, and maybe the worst, what’s the downside? There is no scenario where inserting Meyers in place of Coleman/Samuel/Moore makes you worse. Those guys just aren’t good or in Samuel’s case, healthy ever. 4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Meyers isn't a good fit in my opinion. Don't get me wrong he's a good player and would make the WR group better, but I think as far as possible WR's on the trade market there's better options than Meyers. I think that we all agree with that. Quote
The Jokeman Posted yesterday at 02:57 PM Posted yesterday at 02:57 PM 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Meyers isn't a good fit in my opinion. Don't get me wrong he's a good player and would make the WR group better, but I think as far as possible WR's on the trade market there's better options than Meyers. Is he the best option? No. I've mentioned many times I'd much rather add his teammate Tre Tucker as he plays on the outside and adds a speed element that we lack presently. Toss in he's younger and under contract for this and next season. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted yesterday at 03:00 PM Posted yesterday at 03:00 PM (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Is he the best option? No. I've mentioned many times I'd much rather add his teammate Tre Tucker as he plays on the outside and adds a speed element that we lack presently. Toss in he's younger and under contract for this and next season. Tucker is an interesting, and potentially inexpensive option. Edited yesterday at 03:01 PM by Kirby Jackson Quote
The Jokeman Posted yesterday at 03:00 PM Posted yesterday at 03:00 PM 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Meyers has played almost 50/50 (50.9/48.6 according to Pro Football Focus) in his career slot vs. boundary. The other random snaps were at TE or in the backfield. The thought that he can ONLY be a slot is wrong. His best role is in the slot so again that's why I'd look elsewhere. I mean Ed Oliver can play NT (1 tech) but I'd much rather see him as DT (3 tech). Again just cuz a guy can do it means that he should do it. I suppose it's similar to your thoughts of Keon on the outside vs in the slot. 1 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted yesterday at 03:02 PM Posted yesterday at 03:02 PM 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: I think its a "sum of the parts" type thing adding the right guy. We wouldn't just be "getting better at one spot". Keon kinda like the Gabe role or even Hollins last year. Guys you hate as a #2, can be plus players as a #3/#4. Improving at one spot should really help everyone else out. Which is why Ive been arguing WR over secondary. One WR (my God someone elite please) who's competent on the boundary could have a really nice synergy for the offense. Help us use space deep, but also horizontally on the field. Adding any one guy in the secondary doesnt move the needle for me. Only as strong as the weakest chain, and improving one spot doesnt raise the floor much. Thats just from a talent standpoint too, without considering a broken scheme. For a defense to stifle an Andy Reid, you have to have playmakers at every level. Its just not possible at this point of season. If we were to make a large move for the defense, the only player I can see substantially raising the floor is Hendrickson (along with the hurt guys healing up). Bosa + Hendrickson could potentially do a lot to help mask problems in the secondary.... but it still gives me major pause and would rather supe-up the offense. The only spot i'd add in the secondary is at safety - where the incumbent starter is a gaping hole in the roster. If 2 of 4 boundary corners are injured, neither for the season, its not as big of a stretch to say you have some contributors and reinforcements coming in. But there's nothing behind rapp to take his job, and he's been really really bad. Disaster in run fits, and always seems to be too far from players to disrupt much of anything in the pass game. At this point i'm good to just roll with poyer, he's slow too but at least there's some instincts there. He was once an all-pro, while rapp really should be relegated to a 3rd safety dime center fielder. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM Just now, The Jokeman said: His best role is in the slot so again that's why I'd look elsewhere. I mean Ed Oliver can play NT (1 tech) but I'd much rather see him as DT (3 tech). Again just cuz a guy can do it means that he should do it. I suppose it's similar to your thoughts of Keon on the outside vs in the slot. We agree. It’s more for me “adding a pretty good player that’s a less than ideal fit is better than status quo.” I don’t think he makes them worse. He isn’t near the top of the list but he does make them better. I wouldn’t even be opposed to adding 2 guys like Meyers and Shaheed. You don’t solve the number 1 receiver issue but you get a better version of everybody eats. Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted yesterday at 03:05 PM Posted yesterday at 03:05 PM 3 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: The only spot i'd add in the secondary is at safety - where the incumbent starter is a gaping hole in the roster. If 2 of 4 boundary corners are injured, neither for the season, its not as big of a stretch to say you have some contributors and reinforcements coming in. But there's nothing behind rapp to take his job, and he's been really really bad. Disaster in run fits, and always seems to be too far from players to disrupt much of anything in the pass game. At this point i'm good to just roll with poyer, he's slow too but at least there's some instincts there. He was once an all-pro, while rapp really should be relegated to a 3rd safety dime center fielder. There are a lot of reasons why the defense has been struggling in 2025 but IMO Rapp's regression is the biggest one. He has been awful. 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted yesterday at 03:09 PM Posted yesterday at 03:09 PM 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: There are a lot of reasons why the defense has been struggling in 2025 but IMO Rapp's regression is the biggest one. He has been awful. He's definitely part of it. I think age is also catching up with Taron Johnson and we still have yet to find the NT and big nickel we've lacked since McDermott got here. 1 Quote
stlbills13 Posted yesterday at 03:12 PM Posted yesterday at 03:12 PM Meyers would be truly just fine. He makes the WR room better and he at least has the ability to play on the outside. If you could get him for like a 5th, I'd probably make the move. Just not sure he elevates the offense enough. But in my opinion, we should be looking at adding both a Meyers AND someone like Olave or Shaheed. I don't think we're one move away at WR. Then you also make additions in the secondary. It sure seems like the bye week would be a good time to do something. I hope Beane is active. Quote
JP51 Posted yesterday at 03:14 PM Posted yesterday at 03:14 PM 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Meyers isn't a good fit in my opinion. Don't get me wrong he's a good player and would make the WR group better, but I think as far as possible WR's on the trade market there's better options than Meyers. I agree, I dont know how much he moves the needle... we need better... Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted yesterday at 03:16 PM Posted yesterday at 03:16 PM 9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: There are a lot of reasons why the defense has been struggling in 2025 but IMO Rapp's regression is the biggest one. He has been awful. 6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: He's definitely part of it. I think age is also catching up with Taron Johnson and we still have yet to find the NT and big nickel we've lacked since McDermott got here. Lol, without piling on Tre being an absolute liability hasn’t helped either. They should change his number from 27 to 🎯 1 Quote
DCOrange Posted yesterday at 03:16 PM Posted yesterday at 03:16 PM 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Tucker is an interesting, and potentially inexpensive option. I guess I'm just not sure why the Raiders would trade their young WR who seems to be kinda blossoming this season unless we overpay of course. 1 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted yesterday at 03:16 PM Posted yesterday at 03:16 PM 2 minutes ago, stlbills13 said: Meyers would be truly just fine. He makes the WR room better and he at least has the ability to play on the outside. If you could get him for like a 5th, I'd probably make the move. Just not sure he elevates the offense enough. But in my opinion, we should be looking at adding both a Meyers AND someone like Olave or Shaheed. I don't think we're one move away at WR. Then you also make additions in the secondary. It sure seems like the bye week would be a good time to do something. I hope Beane is active. If Bill Barnwell's compensation is right for Shaheed....He has him going to pittsburgh, Shaheed and fifth to pitt for a fourth. The Bills should do that right now. Shaheed clears Moore off the roster and codrington. He allows them to have an extra guy somewhere on gameday. but that is just Barnwell's compensation, the saints could want more. One thing is for sure if The saints are trading one of these guys this weekl you would think it would be before tomorrow so they can plan on replacing them on the gameday roster sunday. Otherwise it will be a monday morning thing or sunday night thing which means he could get hurt. 1 Quote
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