Is Joe Brady the main issue on offense?

[TBBills Fan]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Just run the ball.  That cute call was insane.  

 

Also down 7 we just, abandoned our running attack, and continued to try and create down field passing opportunities against a team that was blitzing constantly.  The screen to davis was a great call.  We don't run another screen the rest of the game.  

And where are the blitz beaters like slants etc

51 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

3rd and half yard and we're giving the ball to a WR.  Last season, they call a tush push without hesitation.  This year, it's like they absolutely refuse to run it because McD came out against it.

Run the push twice if need be and we get it

[extrahammer]

Our problems:

 

1. Penalties (that's on coaching)
2. Turnovers (that's on coaching too)
3. We have a very drunk OC at the moment 
4. We gave Dawson Knox $50 million and his role has declined ever since
5. We used a 1st rounder on Kincaid right after that 
6. We gave Shakir $50 million instead of finding a #1 WR 
7. We wasted a 2nd round pick on Keon (he's only great at the jump ball and that ability has declined)
8. We've addressed defensive issues with old veterans and smaller defensive draftees for speed
9. James Cook has proven to be our scariest offensive threat outside of Josh and we don't use him nearly enough bc we're scared of injuring him even though he's had no injuries the last 3 years

 

And last but not least: Ego has established over-expectations. It's a win or go home league. 5 years of AFC East division titles, 2 AFC Championship appearances, 0 Super Bowl appearances, and we're putting fake SB trophies in the locker room, posting up billboards of the Lombardi on the practice field, acting like we're some type of championship organization solely because we have Josh Allen. It's pathetic. 

 

It's like we're focused on superficial things instead of addressing actual team needs such as a long-term or reliable DAWG solution on the DL, a true #1 WR, and some Safeties. KC traded away Tyreek and then followed that up by drafting not only Rashee Rice but also Worthy. 

 

To me, it comes back to the opinion a lot of Bills fans have had since 2021, which is McD doesn't teach that killer instinct/mentality you want in a team and he doesn't teach the 1% enough. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MrB1onde]

5 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Tampa is missing all their receivers but still slinging it

THIS. Baker Mayfield is making it work throwing to Sterling Shepherd, a 7th rounder, and an undrafted FA while his top 3 WRs are out. It's not too much to expect the reigning MVP to make it work with what we have at WR as well. 

 

Personally I think the problem is 70% scheme/playcalling, 20% Josh not being at his best, and 10% injuries.

[Walking Tall]

6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

4th and 2, ty johnsons wide open, allen misses him with a stupid flip pass instead of just throwing the freaking ball. 

 

Draw your own conclusions.  Mine is that Allen has played poorly the last 2 weeks.  

OK, so not designing plays to get the absolute best weapon into space with ball in his hands isn’t an issue when your QB is struggling to find open guys with the other team bringing heat on him play after play isn’t an issue?

 

Got it.

 

Well, if you enjoyed the past two weeks you’re absolutely going to love it when the Chiefs come to town and bring blitzes from every look imaginable and our albatross wide receivers try to get open.

[colin]

our o is worse than our d.  our d is awful, but it can make stops and (except for penalties and silly dropped balls and such) puts itself in a position to get turnovers.  also, the first 3 scores all happened after the d made a good play, got a stop, or got a turnover all which were unwound but bad little penalties (the 3rd down PI was criminal, no such foul was committed).

 

the O just sets itself up to fail all the time.  NE and atlanta both keyed in to stop the run by flowing to the ball fast and hard, and they both overloaded pressure because we never pick it up.  why did they feel like they could do that?  well, because we tell the d what we are going to do at literally better than an 80% clip based on how we line up.  we force plays to overmatched wrs, and we just decided not to run our best position groups, RB, QB, TE and OL en masse and throw and pass out of it.  brady is a garbage OC.  he has the nfl mvp, a top 5 or so rb, good OL, and suddenly a great TE room, and his answer is to just keep randomly generating plays and player combos that are not repped, have shown nothing, and in no way tricking the d or seeking the best match up.

 

our d constantly gets trucked, and is a mash unit and is missing players to suspensions and is young otherwise.  and again, it sucks, but it makes stops, and makes multiple stops in every game.  

 

the O just magically finds ways to lose.  the jet sweep fumbles, one in each of our losses, the forced throws to covered outside wrs, and most of all the lack of an answer, the lack of adjustments to what the d is doing, and the total inability to go back to what is working are all signs of a bad play caller.

 

we lost games where we gave up 20 and 24 points.  we have a fully healthy OL, RB room, the NFL MVP, and we still have some TEs who can play.  any quality OC can get 27 points at home vs NE or on the road vs a fast but small atlanta d.  line up the big boys, use misdirection and tricks, and stress them on the edges with cook and go up the middle with our other guys.  basic freaking football, but instead we get these mesh concepts vs jail break blitzes and stop cook because the atl d couldn't do that themselves. 

[waterglass]

Yes he is. It took less than two seasons but the league has figured him out. Just like they figured Dorsey out. His "jets sweep" sweep plays with receivers and TE are a joke alog with his WR screens. 

[WNYFAN1]

18 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

Our problems:

 

1. Penalties (that's on coaching)
2. Turnovers (that's on coaching too)
3. We have a very drunk OC at the moment 
4. We gave Dawson Knox $50 million and his role has declined ever since
5. We used a 1st rounder on Kincaid right after that 
6. We gave Shakir $50 million instead of finding a #1 WR 
7. We wasted a 2nd round pick on Keon (he's only great at the jump ball and that ability has declined)
8. We've addressed defensive issues with old veterans and smaller defensive draftees for speed
9. James Cook has proven to be our scariest offensive threat outside of Josh and we don't use him nearly enough bc we're scared of injuring him even though he's had no injuries the last 3 years

 

And last but not least: Ego has established over-expectations. It's a win or go home league. 5 years of AFC East division titles, 2 AFC Championship appearances, 0 Super Bowl appearances, and we're putting fake SB trophies in the locker room, posting up billboards of the Lombardi on the practice field, acting like we're some type of championship organization solely because we have Josh Allen. It's pathetic. 

 

It's like we're focused on superficial things instead of addressing actual team needs such as a long-term or reliable DAWG solution on the DL, a true #1 WR, and some Safeties. KC traded away Tyreek and then followed that up by drafting not only Rashee Rice but also Worthy. 

 

To me, it comes back to the opinion a lot of Bills fans have had since 2021, which is McD doesn't teach that killer instinct/mentality you want in a team and he doesn't teach the 1% enough. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So this will sound sacrilegious, but I've wondered if Josh Allen is paradoxically both why we are competitive and why we can't win the "big one".

 

I don't mean his contact size, nor do I mean anything negative about his performance (but of course he isn't perfect), but rather how much his "rope" his success has given to the tandem of our GM and HC. Are both actually not great at their jobs, but have job security because they won the lotto with Josh? And, if so, will that ultimately be our downfall?

 

 

 

 

[BritishBill]

 

Some interesting numbers above. Under Brady we've never ranked higher than 16th for passing attempts or 8th for passing yards. With Josh Allen. 

As people have pointed out - it's a passing league. Of course we want to establish the run - and we want to use Josh's legs too etc - but we've got a generational QB and he's playing very much with the brakes on when it comes to throwing the ball.

 

 

[TBBills Fan]

45 minutes ago, MrB1onde said:

THIS. Baker Mayfield is making it work throwing to Sterling Shepherd, a 7th rounder, and an undrafted FA while his top 3 WRs are out. It's not too much to expect the reigning MVP to make it work with what we have at WR as well. 

 

Personally I think the problem is 70% scheme/playcalling, 20% Josh not being at his best, and 10% injuries.

Yeah it's not one thing. Everyone is at fault. The good news is you can adjust scheme and play calling, Josh is allowed to not be perfect sometimes and hopefully people get healthy. 

 

I just really wasn't sure what Brady was doing yesterday. I'm not one to criticize coaching either

 

My opinion...Palmer was gonna be showcased. 

So on defense we get a turnover on the first play, called back for stupidity on our part, then Palmer getting hurt just deflated the entire team including coaching and it showed. 

 

It's all fixable. However, I'd be calling NO about their receivers anyway right now

[Brand J]

22 minutes ago, BritishBill said:

 

Some interesting numbers above. Under Brady we've never ranked higher than 16th for passing attempts or 8th for passing yards. With Josh Allen. 

As people have pointed out - it's a passing league. Of course we want to establish the run - and we want to use Josh's legs too etc - but we've got a generational QB and he's playing very much with the brakes on when it comes to throwing the ball.

 

 

I’ve been saying we need to bring in a passing game coordinator. Every receiver that comes into this Brady ball offense has become a lesser version of himself. Every one so far except Shakir. I’m not 100% confident his scheme would allow a true number one receiver to go off or become the focal point. He has a difficult enough time getting the ball to some of our playmakers as is. 

[LabattBlue]

Brady sucks, but when he was promoted, I am sure McD was happy to have a young inexperienced OC who was grateful for the promotion versus an experienced older OC who would be more of a challenge for McD. 
 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by LabattBlue

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Beane drafting zero 1st round WRs, is what is holding us back. 
 

Joe Brady looked good in 2019 at LSU with Burrow, Chase & Jefferson.

I'm not sure if you're being serious, so I'll assume you are.

 

First of all, Brady was not the OC at LSU.  He was the "Passing game coordinator".

 

Lets not forget that Joe Burrow was the QB there too with the above mentioned WRs, and that team won the National Championship that year.

 

Somehow Brady got credit for the LSU offense and he parlayed that into being the OC for the Carolina Panthers.

 

But got fired after a season or two.

 

Brady wouldn't even be the OC here if Dorsey hadn't been fired.

Edited 4 hours ago by JakeFrommStateFarm

[extrahammer]

26 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

So this will sound sacrilegious, but I've wondered if Josh Allen is paradoxically both why we are competitive and why we can't win the "big one".

 

I don't mean his contact size, nor do I mean anything negative about his performance (but of course he isn't perfect), but rather how much his "rope" his success has given to the tandem of our GM and HC. Are both actually not great at their jobs, but have job security because they won the lotto with Josh? And, if so, will that ultimately be our downfall?

 

 

 

 

 

I can't predict the future but I think the Chiefs and Mahomes have a significant advantage bc of their coaches who have significant Super Bowl experience, especially Reid and Spags, and I think that significantly helps their front office decisions. I don't think Josh's contract is an issue either, I do think our front office decisions of investing $100 million of contracts into Shakir and Knox was an example of being too eager and both would have probably played for half of that and that's money that could have been invested in drafting a true #1 WR or Safeties to replace Hyde and Poyer. I mean Beane looks really stupid now bc of his rant on WGR about WR's. You don't see Chiefs GM's or Eagles GM's doing that stuff. 

 

[WNYFAN1]

1 minute ago, extrahammer said:

 

I can't predict the future but I think the Chiefs and Mahomes have a significant advantage bc of their coaches who have significant Super Bowl experience, especially Reid and Spags, and I think that significantly helps their front office decisions. I don't think Josh's contract is an issue either, I do think our front office decisions of investing $100 million of contracts into Shakir and Knox was an example of being too eager and both would have probably played for half of that and that's money that could have been invested in drafting a true #1 WR or Safeties to replace Hyde and Poyer. I mean Beane looks really stupid now bc of his rant on WGR about WR's. You don't see Chiefs GM's or Eagles GM's doing that stuff. 

 

Agreed. He looks even more like an arrogant ass now.

[Jerome007]

1 hour ago, BritishBill said:

we've got a generational QB and he's playing very much with the brakes on when it comes to throwing the ball.

I agree. But not for yesterday!

 

With no Kincaid and Palmer out, they needed to go to a run heavy set. And they started the 3rd quarter with that, and voilà. It worked. Then they stopped doing it. WTH.

 

Plus, against the blitz, more screen plays. And why not bring back the 6 Oline package that worked so well last year? Hawk can still be there. They have all the tools to run it down the other teams' throats. Last year, they used the run to open up the pass. It still is the best approach. But yeah, throw it deep too once in a while. 

 

[somnus00]

A lot of people saw the rankings/ points per game last year, and assumed that the offense was good. I thought the offense (and Brady) struggled last year as well. How many times did we see Allen bailing the team out in 3rd and long after negative plays on 1st and 2nd down? How many times did Josh have to miracle the offense on 4th? How many tush pushes saved drives? How many short fields did the the D give them by leading the league in TOs?

 

This isn't a great WR corps. But a good coordinator could scheme open Shakir, Moore, Palmer, Kincaid, and Cook. And who's job is it to teach these guys to run a scramble drill?

[Figster]

8 hours ago, Pete said:

Joe has a pathetic short yardage playbook.  I’m sick of his “cute” offense.  Two weeks in a row we ran a complicated Jet Sweep with JAGs,both times fumbled.  We can’t scheme WR matchups, too little play action, abandons run.  

You convinced me.  Now the question for me becomes more about ingenuity. Joe Brady has a couple of weeks to make some changes. Clearly lack of separation at the WR position is one of the problems. Diggs reminded everyone of what a WR1 should look like and it's becoming more and more doubtful Keon Coleman will ever fit the Bill.

 

My suggestion is to bring someone into the fold that can consult and assist Brady in adding much needed wrinkles in the Bills offensive play book. The Bills need some Fitzmagic IMO Pete

 

 

[GoBills808]

imo it looks like on coaches tape they are attempting to address our tendency to telegraphy pass/run plays by having Dawkins line up in run look and then jump backwards into pass pro

 

only problem is it's not fooling the defense so all it means is that he's a step too far forward in his kick slide and is getting beat

 

its not good 

[extrahammer]

33 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

I agree. But not for yesterday!

 

With no Kincaid and Palmer out, they needed to go to a run heavy set. And they started the 3rd quarter with that, and voilà. It worked. Then they stopped doing it. WTH.

 

Plus, against the blitz, more screen plays. And why not bring back the 6 Oline package that worked so well last year? Hawk can still be there. They have all the tools to run it down the other teams' throats. Last year, they used the run to open up the pass. It still is the best approach. But yeah, throw it deep too once in a while. 

 

 

Most of Brady's hype came off the 6 o-line runs. It's crazy they haven't used that this year.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

No but this is still a damnable offense 

And this mirrors Kincaid, the Bills most productive pass catcher last week, only being on the field 55% of the snaps against NE.  They, Brady & McD, are overthinking things and the O is paying the price.

 

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