The final play to Shakir. Samuel was wide open for easy TD

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

11 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

All sarcasm aside, that's an awful play by Allen. Bailed out of the pocket early, which I can only assume wasn't by design with the way the routes were being run. As such, he misses an almost sure TD. He's the best in the game, but he's not infallible.

i could be wrong, but if he didn’t bail, he can get Shakir on that crosser in space. I like his chances of RAC for a first down. Oh, well.

[Jerome007]

Allen was off... for Josh Allen. He was at least "average NFL starting QB level". One pick on him, the two fumbles, nope. Though WTH with Knox running into him? Was he supposed to give the ball?

 

Anyway, it's puzzling that besides Kincaid, no receiver had big yards. Allen WAS well protected. It's supposed to be a guaranteed recipe for success. The run blocking didn't work though. And it's been said again and again, the defense is not good enough. There's not ONE game out of five so far they've been dominating. Some D guys sure have had great games, but overall, it's troubling.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah you're just wrong about this. Allen threw that exact INT a bunch of times when Dorsey was the OC. You're vastly underestimating how quickly an NFL CB can get depth, especially Christian Gonzalez. He's the high/low conflict defender, the problem is the low option doesn't show up until a few seconds after the ball is snapped so he is able to declare himself high and Allen has to move on. Bad play design that Allen miraculously solves on his own, as usual, except the referee didn't throw the obvious flag.

He is not making up nearly 8 to ten yards of space if that ball is thrown on time.  It may not be a TD but he is not intercepting that ball.   You are wrong.  

 

If Allen stays in the pocket and throws that in rhythm its a completion.

[SMAKCruiser]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

look at the still image.  Samuel is at the 8 yard line and 0 is at the 18 still.  There is no way he is getting there if allen loads up and throws a dart.  And that is late in the play, had it been thrown on time its a completion for sure, maybe not a TD but a completion.

You're underestimating how fast NFL DBs are and Allen is rolling to his right.  There's no way anything good would come from him trying to throw a 45 yard dart across the field.  

[HappyDays]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

He is not making up nearly 8 to ten yards of space if that ball is thrown on time.  It may not be a TD but he is not intercepting that ball.   You are wrong.  

 

If Allen stays in the pocket and throws that in rhythm its a completion.

 

You're doing that thing people do where you're looking at still screenshots but not accounting for the fact that the defense is constantly changing its positioning based on what Allen is doing. It only looks open in a certain still screenshot because Gonzalez was able to abandon that part of the field after Allen moves on. If he just stands there and throws that ball it is an INT or a pass breakup. Allen is reading Gonzalez the entire way and Gonzalez is reading him back.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, SMAKCruiser said:

You're underestimating how fast NFL DBs are and Allen is rolling to his right.  There's no way anything good would come from him trying to throw a 45 yard dart across the field.  

I don't expect him to throw it once he rolled right at all.  My point is if that is thrown in Rhythm at best Gonzalez is going to make a tackle short of the goal line or late after samuel has the ball in the end zone.  He doesn't run faster than Allen throwing a dart.  

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

You're doing that thing people do where you're looking at still screenshots but not accounting for the fact that the defense is constantly changing its positioning based on what Allen is doing. It only looks open in a certain still screenshot because Gonzalez was able to abandon that part of the field after Allen moves on. If he just stands there and throws that ball it is an INT or a pass breakup. Allen is reading Gonzalez the entire way and Gonzalez is reading him back.

I am not basing it on any screen shots.  I am saying repeatedly here that in rhythm samuel is open as soon as he cleared the linebacker.  Its a throw and a completion, personally I think its a TD but it may end up being short.

 

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

I saw them coming open before Josh bailed. I was losing my s*** on this play. There was another he bailed early on that I saw as well. The whole team from GM to the coaches to the players were to blame for that game. 

[CincyBillsFan]

16 minutes ago, yall said:

Allen had a poor game overall last night. 

 

I hate to say it but he had that deer in the headlights look that he gets sometimes.

If Allen wasn't QBing the Bills last night they lose 23 - 6 or worse.  See the Ravens versus Texans game.  Allen made some great throws and great runs. This nitpicking of Allen in the face of the obvious shortcomings that lost last nights game is bizarre to me.

 

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You're doing that thing people do where you're looking at still screenshots but not accounting for the fact that the defense is constantly changing its positioning based on what Allen is doing. It only looks open in a certain still screenshot because Gonzalez was able to abandon that part of the field after Allen moves on. If he just stands there and throws that ball it is an INT or a pass breakup. Allen is reading Gonzalez the entire way and Gonzalez is reading him back.

Disagree with this. They came open before Allen bailed. The video will show what the screen shots do. 

[BearNorth]

5 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said:

You're underestimating how fast NFL DBs are 

Remember he practices against our DB's, who aren't exactly the fastest guys on the planet.

[Process]

With a perfect throw I agree it was there but he was not wide open.

 

Also still shots are generally useless and deceiving.

[Not at the table Karlos]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

If Allen wasn't QBing the Bills last night they lose 23 - 6 or worse.  See the Ravens versus Texans game.  Allen made some great throws and great runs. This nitpicking of Allen in the face of the obvious shortcomings that lost last nights game is bizarre to me.

 

 

Why can’t people point out things that were missed or wrong? Just because Allen is a great player doesn’t mean he  can’t be criticized when it’s deserved. Posts like yours are bizarre to me. 

[SMAKCruiser]

1 minute ago, BearNorth said:

Remember he practices against our DB's, who aren't exactly the fastest guys on the planet.

Even the slowest DBs in the NFL are among the fastest guys on the planet.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

I am not basing it on any screen shots.  I am saying repeatedly here that in rhythm samuel is open as soon as he cleared the linebacker.  Its a throw and a completion, personally I think its a TD but it may end up being short.

 

 

 

Dude I don't know what else to tell you. Watch Allen's eyes from the snap. He is reading #0. As soon as #0 declares he is gaining depth Allen moves on. QBs aren't playing Madden scanning the field at random, they're reading defenders that the play call is supposed to put into conflict.

[MJS]

Allen had a bunch of options on that play and missed them all, instead deciding to run around for no reason and then throwing it to a fairly well covered Shakir.

 

Yeah, it was probably a PI, but not super egregious. He got there a half tick early. You'd expect the officials to call it, though, because they were calling everything.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Dude I don't know what else to tell you. Watch Allen's eyes from the snap. He is reading #0. As soon as #0 declares he is gaining depth Allen moves on. QBs aren't playing Madden scanning the field at random, they're reading defenders that the play call is supposed to put into conflict.

You don't have to tell me anything boss.  You are the guy who was screaming in the game thread that Coleman should be benched in the first quarter and no one can get open down the field.  

 

So you know.

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

If Allen wasn't QBing the Bills last night they lose 23 - 6 or worse.  See the Ravens versus Texans game.  Allen made some great throws and great runs. This nitpicking of Allen in the face of the obvious shortcomings that lost last nights game is bizarre to me.

Because he played like crap for at least two thirds of the game.

[Thurman#1]

20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Allen moves on from Samuel because #0 on the Pats is getting depth after the snap. That would have been an easy INT if Allen continued staring down Samuel and threw that ball. #0 also ends up taking away the short crossing route to Palmer so Allen bails right because that's where his options are going to be and there's no contain player on that side.

 

I'm not a fan of the concept on the left side of the field. If you want to put #0 in conflict you have to make him declare sooner. Have Kincaid run a whip route for example and force #0 to commit to him which opens up Samuel's deep route. Because #0 isn't put into conflict until Palmer crosses the field he is able to put himself into position to take both routes away. This is where Brady's lack of experience gets us into trouble.

 

 

 

Well, yeah, you stare a guy down and he'll draw coverage. But if Josh looks off and then back, man, Samuel has a huge honey hole there after he flattens the route, and Shakir was coming across the middle to #0's zone to force him to keep short.

 

Fair point maybe about making #0 declare earlier, but this play could have worked if Josh had sat in the very clear pocket.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:

Why can’t people point out things that were missed or wrong? Just because Allen is a great player doesn’t mean he  can’t be criticized when it’s deserved. Posts like yours are bizarre to me. 

Point out anything you want it's a free country. But don't pretend that your "analysis" of a still frame is the same thing as coaches in the film room going over each play. 

 

Looking at last nights game I could make a long list of why the Bills lost and it would be way down that list before I noted how Allen MAY have misjudged a couple of throws.  Again, you people are nitpicking the guy that kept us in the game while the rest of the team struggled mightily.  Check out the Bengals & Ravens for perspective.

 

 

 

 

[MikePJ76]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

If Allen wasn't QBing the Bills last night they lose 23 - 6 or worse.  See the Ravens versus Texans game.  Allen made some great throws and great runs. This nitpicking of Allen in the face of the obvious shortcomings that lost last nights game is bizarre to me.

 

 

to be clear I am not nitpicking.  Every play has something else that could have happened that would have been better or worse per se.  

 

Just pointing out it was absolutely interference by 0 and I think allen could have fired one into samuel for a td or near TD.  

 

Swallowing the whistle on that play after all the calls all night was really odd.    And a side note which doesn't really matter but Allen got two hands to the face on the throw right in front of hochuli!