For all you McDermott haters, who would you want?

[MikePJ76]

We have Josh Allen so we have as good a chance as anyone.

[4th&long]

Absolutely not. Marty McDermott has brought us as far as he is capable of. 

[GroteStreet]

If we ever do win a super bowl with McDermott as coach it will be in spite of him and not because of him.

[Fleezoid]

50 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Sadly I couldn’t figure out how to add the pole lol I was going to 

I tried but somehow couldn’t execute it

 

I think that was done on purpose as a euphemism for how a typical Bills season unfolds. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Was there a single bills fan that thought we were making that stop at 20-20? If you are honest with yourself you knew as soon as we kicked the FG to the, the pats were getting in range. At that point, unless it was a turnover we were never getting the ball back. That’s sad. But how many years and times do we need to see it? We were never making a real stop. It just never happens. A big stop for this coach is impossible. We are 0 for probably 100. Enough is enough. That’s not sustainable you can’t expect to win that way 

[corta765]

13 minutes ago, boco357 said:

Hoping Stafford retires and make a play for Sean McVay.

 

 

We Need To Pay One Billion Dollars lol

13 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

The its all McDermott and the defense narrative just ignores facts.   Especially when people start the hire Belichick nonsense.   Allen is fantastic, but to completely deny his role in not winning a championship isnt living in reality.  

 

McD's defense in playoff losses since 2019 allow on average 30 ppg. Chiefs 25 & Ravens 20 ppg allowed. Josh has been the greatest reason those games have been close even if he has not been perfect. No QB including Mahomes will last when the biggest game every year your looking at needing 30 points just to tie. 

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

If “ALL THE STARS ALIGN “ yes

[MikePJ76]

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

I don't know who i would want besides Reid or Vrabel, but for anyone who was ever undecided with the competency of our coaching staff, just ask yourself one question.........in year 9, does this team look like a championship competitor or does it look like the same ole shite being shoved down our throats every year, where nothing is being addressed seriously or adequately?

 

I'll wait.

Both Vrabel and Reid were fired, you do realize that right?  Reid was mcdermott before he broke through with mahomes.   Vrabel has not accomplished anything McDermott hasn't as an nfl coach.  

 

I like Vrabel and hate reid but what is the point here of this post?

[T.E.]

21 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

This would imply it all falls apart without McD. Which is laughable. It's an even money bet we would have gone just as far as we have with any of those guys and Allen. 

Everyone forgets that Rex Ryan took the Jets to two AFC Championship games (winning on the road against both Manning and Brady along the way) with Mark Sanchez at QB.

 

Everyone forgets that Doug Marrone was a bad officiating call away from taking a Blake Bortles-led Jaguars team to the Super Bowl.

[BMWR100RT]

If we are healthy, we have as good a chance as anyone. Watching T-White get owned by Diggs was pretty good evidence that luck plays a lot into winners and losers. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

14 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

I think that was done on purpose as a euphemism for how a typical Bills season unfolds. 

It was to pay homage to our time out usage since 2017

[mjt328]

As I stated in another thread, Sean McDermott's defensive scheme is outdated.

 

The NFL is constantly evolving and changing.  When McDermott first started putting this thing together, the big trend was attacking downfield with big passing plays.  His system was built for stopping that.  Not to mention, he had a fantastic secondary with prime Tre White, Taron Johnson, Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde to execute it.

 

Now nobody is finding success downfield (even Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes), and offenses are shifting into bigger O-Lines and power running games.  Teams with small D-Lines and Linebackers, playing mostly Nickel are getting absolutely steamrolled.  

 

You will notice that very few defenses can stay good/elite for more than a 3-4 years.  That's because it's hard to keep 11 guys together on that side of the ball with age and free agency.  It's also hard for coordinators to adapt to the changing landscape around them.  Most have a system or scheme they are comfortable with, and aren't good at changing.  

 

I honestly like what McDermott brings to the table as a leader and head coach.  But his defensive system has run it's course.  For the last two seasons, they have relied almost completely on turnovers.  Last night was probably their best half of football since last December, and they couldn't sustain it for 4 quarters.  Once the Patriots figured things out, they once again couldn't stop a nosebleed.   We need a new perspective on that side of the ball.  Scheme, Play-calling and Personnel.

 

 

[uticaclub]

2 minutes ago, BMWR100RT said:

If we are healthy, we have as good a chance as anyone. Watching T-White get owned by Diggs was pretty good evidence that luck plays a lot into winners and losers. 

How is that luck? We are the team that put a washed player in that position. It's just bad roster management 

[Sojourner]

20 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

This is the best argument for a change if they fail in the playoffs again.  We all see the same issues that are not being corrected.  But it is not going to happen so there really is little reason to even talk about it much anymore. I've dialed down my anti-mcD posts, because it is just too sad to think about the wasted opportunities. 

And to me that is the worst indictment of all, the passion for me at least is waning knowing that it's probably not going to change.   

 

Here is the other big issue.  We've already been there four times and lost.  Many fans feel a successful season can end without a Lombardi. For many of us though, without a championship it is just more frustration.   

That’s where I was at entering the season. It’s Superbowl or bust for Sean. I’ll give him a pass if they lose but the following season would be contingent on silver ware seeing as you just got there. 
 

 

[Southern McButterpants]

No.  The year of 13 Seconds was as hot a playoff team as I have ever seen - they would have demolished the Bengals in the AFCCG, and we all saw what they did to the Rams on opening day the next season. 

 

i have lost faith in the entire regime, and I am beginning to agree that had they not lucked into JA17, they (McBeane) would both be long gone.  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The entire frustration for me is that we are ONLY good because of the offense. We can’t get over the hump because of the defense and the in game decision making. The only thing this coach isn’t responsible for is the only thing we are good at. What is the point? Anyone else can be him at this point. Riding the coat tails of the offense. Why not make Brady the HC and hire a guy like Wade Phillips to be the DC? The defense is the issue and the defense is all this coach knew….the biggest advantage in the chiefs vs bills situation is both the HC and DC are better than our HC. How do we not even have the advantage on defense in that matchup? It’s inexcusable. The guy is essentially useless 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

There are clearly no other options on a planet with a population of 8 billion people so we must stick with Sean. Besides. Allen is clearly the problem here with his substandard play so until we rid ourselves of a guy whose number one priority is making commercials Sean will never be allowed to shine. Bit of a run-on sentence there at the end but english wasn't really my strength in school. Much more of a math guy.

[thenorthremembers]

32 minutes ago, corta765 said:

We Need To Pay One Billion Dollars lol

 

McD's defense in playoff losses since 2019 allow on average 30 ppg. Chiefs 25 & Ravens 20 ppg allowed. Josh has been the greatest reason those games have been close even if he has not been perfect. No QB including Mahomes will last when the biggest game every year your looking at needing 30 points just to tie. 

Statistics are pointless if you limit them by year and losses.   You're literally shaping them to say what you want, which is McDermott is no good.   The Bills had the ball to win the game last year and didnt do it.  If they score a touchdown last night on their final drive they likely win.    But because you keep making statements without actually looking at the facts, lets compare Allen and Mahomes in the playoffs where they needed 30 points just to tie.   Mahomes has been in that situation 6 times in his career and is 3-3.   Allen 4 times and is 0-4.   So if you have Mahomes and your defense cant deliver the win, you still have a 50% chance of winning the game.   When you're the Bills your quarterback has never in his career done it.   There is a difference between being great, and clutch in high pressure situations.  Its the difference between being a great quarterback and a great champion. 

 

The greatest Quarterbacks win even when they play the best teams at their best.    Josh is the highest paid player on the roster for a reason.   Its time to stop blaming the defense and start looking at Josh when he has the ball in the 4th quarter in the game and cant do it. 

 

And just for further perspective this is the difference between Mahomes' and Allen's record in both the playoffs and the regular season when their defense allows 30 or more points.

 

Mahomes 10-13

Allen 4-13

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by thenorthremembers

[LABILLBACKER]

25 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Was there a single bills fan that thought we were making that stop at 20-20? If you are honest with yourself you knew as soon as we kicked the FG to the, the pats were getting in range. At that point, unless it was a turnover we were never getting the ball back. That’s sad. But how many years and 4th times do we need to see it? We were never making a real stop. It just never happens. A big stop for this coach is impossible. We are 0 for probably 100. Enough is enough. That’s not sustainable you can’t expect to win that way 

That clutch 4th quarter stop is never coming.  It wasn't there in the Houston game. It wasn't there with 13s. Our defensive players are constantly getting hurt. Our zone scheme is easily manipulated by any top12 qb.  We can't finish a sack to save our lives. We have both a "bend" and "break" defense.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

That clutch 4th quarter stop is never coming.  It wasn't there in the Houston game. It wasn't there with 13s. Our defensive players are constantly getting hurt. Our zone scheme is easily manipulated by any top12 qb.  We can't finish a sack to save our lives. We have both a "bend" and "break" defense.

It’s never there because this defense was figured out in 2018 and just been completely useless since. We had 2 generation erasers at safety for a bit that covered a lot of warts. This guys scheme is a disgrace