Pete Posted October 1 Posted October 1 On 9/29/2025 at 6:19 PM, The Cincinnati Kid said: Do other brands/leagues (English Premier League, La Liga, Formula 1, etc.) do this as well? Of Course Quote
Don Otreply Posted October 1 Posted October 1 On 9/29/2025 at 6:33 PM, SoCal Deek said: Shouldn’t an MIT professor be working on the physics required to sustain humans on other planets? Sure, but PHDs do lots of studies, so don’t be butt hurt, just because your favorite sport happens to be a monopoly/ Cartel run my money grubbing Richard heads, lol, nuthin but luv there, SoCal Deek, 😁👍 Quote
Fleezoid Posted October 1 Posted October 1 (edited) NFL = Crack A lot of fans don't like the direction the NFL is going and are sick of the amount of money their sucking out of all the fans pockets without a single regard for the average Joe that just wants to sit down on a Sunday afternoon to watch a game. But those same fans just can't (or refuse to) break free of it. So they'll say, "Hulu and Peacock are only $7-8 / month, why not just for the season." And so it goes. Edited October 1 by Fleezoid 1 Quote
DaggersEOD Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Clearly someone’s girlfriend was stolen by a football player. Cool story bro Quote
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 1 Posted October 1 2 hours ago, Bruffalo said: A lot of yall have been out of school for too long to recognize that this kind of lecture is what good teaching is all about. This is probably an undergrad class that's not filled with Econ majors. He's taking an abstract concept and putting in terms that a lot of students will have had real world experience with, trying to watch their favorite team. That kind of teaching sticks in your head a lot better than just dryly reading out of a textbook. Some people just really dislike educators for some reason. 1 1 Quote
Bruffalo Posted October 1 Posted October 1 28 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: Some people just really dislike educators for some reason. 100% I got some guesses as to why, but let's not go down that road on a football forum. 2 2 Quote
Ballhawk Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Interesting video. I struggle with the idea of the NFL as an 'entertainment league' rather than as a sports league (which they used in their anti-trust defense). I think it invites the suspicion that they could determine the outcome of games. All of this in a world where the NFL is increasingly in bed with gambling based on the outcome of its games. Imagine betting on WWE and yet no one bats an eyelash and picking their trifecta for this entertainment league! https://ublawsportsforum.com/2023/02/21/the-nfl-isnt-rigged-but-this-is-how-they-would-do-it-and-why/#:~:text=The NFL must follow its,hold match fixers legally accountable. Quote
MJS Posted October 1 Posted October 1 10 minutes ago, Ballhawk said: Interesting video. I struggle with the idea of the NFL as an 'entertainment league' rather than as a sports league (which they used in their anti-trust defense). I think it invites the suspicion that they could determine the outcome of games. All of this in a world where the NFL is increasingly in bed with gambling based on the outcome of its games. Imagine betting on WWE and yet no one bats an eyelash and picking their trifecta for this entertainment league! https://ublawsportsforum.com/2023/02/21/the-nfl-isnt-rigged-but-this-is-how-they-would-do-it-and-why/#:~:text=The NFL must follow its,hold match fixers legally accountable. They call themselves an entertainment league precisely to protect themselves in lawsuits, not because it isn't a sports league. It clearly is. 1 Quote
MJS Posted October 1 Posted October 1 I guess my one issue with this is not that he is calling the league a cartel, it's just the connotation that people have with that word. They think of illegal criminal drug cartels. The NFL is a legal cartel. The NFL was given anti trust exemptions, so why would they not use that to their miximum benefit? Their goal is to make money. Americans (and now other countries) are shoveling their money into NFL coffers because they love the product so much. Everyone benefits because the league and everyone associated makes a ton of money and people get a high quality product to consume regularly. We're not talking about the price of wheat or oil here. The high price of football entertainment hurts nobody. If it costs too much, people can consume it in limited quantities practically for free. But if you want unfettered access, you have to pay for it. 1 Quote
Búfalo Blanco Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Makes some of us wonder even more about Vegas collusion and officiating, but nobody wants to talk about that.. Quote
Ballhawk Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Just now, Búfalo Blanco said: Makes some of us wonder even more about Vegas collusion and officiating, but nobody wants to talk about that.. Where's the profit in that? Quote
Búfalo Blanco Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Just now, Ballhawk said: Where's the profit in that? Who says all profits (or favors, bribes, kickbacks, whatever) are on the books? Teams never paid players under the table, eh..? Quote
GoBills808 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said: Makes some of us wonder even more about Vegas collusion and officiating, but nobody wants to talk about that.. Makes you wonder what exactly? Quote
Pete Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 minute ago, Ballhawk said: Where's the profit in that? do you realize how much money is being wagered on Sports? One penalty taking away a big play can determine the game, and swing it in Vegas favor. As long as I have been reading newspapers, it didn't matter if its a tiny paper in the middle of Kansas, there has always been football, baseball, basketball, hockey odds I read a book about Rick Petino when he went to the NBA. He said it was the 4th quarter, and the Knicks were getting blown out. The majority of MSG left very early. But lots of fans moved closer to the court, and paid intense concentration to the game. Petino asked one of his coaches 'We are getting blown out. Why are so many so interested in our game" "Those are the bettors. They have action. Its a big line and they want to see if Knicks cover". Petino said that is when he realized how massive sports betting was in our country. That was in the 80s Quote
GoBills808 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 40 minutes ago, MJS said: I guess my one issue with this is not that he is calling the league a cartel, it's just the connotation that people have with that word. They think of illegal criminal drug cartels. The NFL is a legal cartel. The NFL was given anti trust exemptions, so why would they not use that to their miximum benefit? Their goal is to make money. Americans (and now other countries) are shoveling their money into NFL coffers because they love the product so much. Everyone benefits because the league and everyone associated makes a ton of money and people get a high quality product to consume regularly. We're not talking about the price of wheat or oil here. The high price of football entertainment hurts nobody. If it costs too much, people can consume it in limited quantities practically for free. But if you want unfettered access, you have to pay for it. exactly plus his anticompetitive argument seems to focus around the individual teams who have agreed to their arrangement as opposed to where he actually should be looking- other professional football leagues. but as he appears to be a fan of a particular NFL franchise he's actually just SOL if you're against the NFL because it's too expensive there are cheaper alternatives Quote
Búfalo Blanco Posted October 1 Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Makes you wonder what exactly? You know what... How about the officiating bias for Brady and Belichick we got to constantly witness year after year? That's just one example... Quote
GoBills808 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 2 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said: You know what... How about the officiating bias for Brady and Belichick we got to constantly witness year after year? That's just one example... so you believe 'vegas' was calling up the NFL to ask the ref's union to ask their membership to call Patriots games in favor of Brady? Quote
Búfalo Blanco Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Just now, GoBills808 said: so you believe 'vegas' was calling up the NFL to ask the ref's union to ask their membership to call Patriots games in favor of Brady? I like how just made up in your head what I supposedly said (from your perspective) out loud... Here's what I'm saying... if anyone believes there's no way illegal activities can happen in pro sports/entertainment (yes, even King NFL), you're kidding yourself... 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 8 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said: I like how just made up in your head what I supposedly said (from your perspective) out loud... Here's what I'm saying... if anyone believes there's no way illegal activities can happen in pro sports/entertainment (yes, even King NFL), you're kidding yourself... that's why i'm asking you like do you really believe multiple independent sportsbooks are colluding with the NFL to have officials generate certain outcomes Quote
Augie Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, MJS said: They call themselves an entertainment league precisely to protect themselves in lawsuits, not because it isn't a sports league. It clearly is. I would argue that there were 17 consecutive years when I found “entertainment” very hard to come by. 2 Quote
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