Joe Brady through 2 games

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Okay so we don't count games now.  Should we not count the Pats game in 2022 because the Pats suck?  I mean what are we even doing now.  Picking and choosing what we count to pretend everything is 100% perfect all the time?

 

All good, you want to pretend the offense was amazing weeks 1 and 2 with nothing to work on - thats your perogative.  I on the other hand see room for improvement, especially in how we call plays so far the first 2 weeks if we want to win a SB this year.  And I am confident we will, but that doesn't change the fact it had issues the first 2 weeks. 

 

I mean why not, you left out a game they scored 36 points in and lost because it didn't fit your narrative.

 

There is always room for improvement.  Acting like this is something to be so concerned about is absurd. If that's the case 30 other teams should be firing their OC's today including Andy Reid firing himself.

 

People are going to the bathroom with boxes of tissues and locking the door for hours to talk about Justin Herbert and he has put up 27 and 20 points. With a lot better WR's, or at least more proven ones, and now even QJ looks like he might be finally getting into the act.

 

The bottom line is the Bills can beat you whatever way you want them to beat you.  

 

You want to try and take away the run?  Cool, Josh Allen will destroy you.  You want to take away deep throws? Cool, Allen will throw short, pick up easy first downs and 7-8 yards on 1st down and then run the ball down your throat. You want to take away the short throws? Cool, Allen will start dialing up Deep Overs and escaping pressure and launch 70 yard cruise missiles over hapless defenders running with their heads up in the air in disbelief the ball got over their heads.

 

Very few teams in the NFL can do that with the consistency the Bills can. Baltimore and maybe Philly and that is about it, but Philly should be a LOT better throwing the ball with the weapons they have.

 

Edited September 16 by Big Turk

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Why are you only going back three years when Allen's been elite for five years now?  If it's a Brady specific criticism why not just go back the last two years?

 

I am not, read the person I responded too - they keep discussing the offense over the past 5 years under Allen, not just under Brady.  They mentioned the PPG over the past 5 years in playoff losses, so I responded with the more recent 3 years doesn't pain the same picture, not to mention his original stats were incorrect which I didn't even address TBH.  

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I am not, read the person I responded too - they keep discussing the offense over the past 5 years under Allen, not just under Brady.  They mentioned the PPG over the past 5 years in playoff losses, so I responded with the more recent 3 years doesn't pain the same picture, not to mention his original stats were incorrect which I didn't even address TBH.  

Why not just the past two years then as it seems more relevant when examining Brady's play calling in the playoffs losses?

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I am not, read the person I responded too - they keep discussing the offense over the past 5 years under Allen, not just under Brady.  They mentioned the PPG over the past 5 years in playoff losses, so I responded with the more recent 3 years doesn't pain the same picture, not to mention his original stats were incorrect which I didn't even address TBH.  

 

What's incorrect? They gave up 38, 42, 27, 27, 32 in their last 5 playoff losses, which is 33.2 PPG. The only reason they didn't give up more in 2 of those games is because the Bills controlled the game on the ground and held the ball for so long and KC fumbled at the 1 yard line going in for another TD. I mean the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed in  most of those games...they force 8 punts in 5 games, TOTAL. 

 

The Eagles forced the Chiefs to punt 6 times in one game a week after they did whatever they wanted against us the entire game when they hadn't score more than 30 points the entire season, and 1 of the 2 games they got to 30 points was in OT.

 

In the Bills 4 AFC Championship games they gave up 3,7, 10 and 13 points = 33 points.

Edited September 16 by Big Turk

[DrMaxPower]

The only thing I'm going to criticize Brady for is his lack of play action usage. With the way we run and Josh's ability to drive the ball, we should be killing teams with play action.

 

Otherwise, complaints about a team that scores more, has higher TOP and turns it over less than pretty much anyone is unreasonable. People constantly whine about the lack of talent on offense and then turn around and criticize the guy who is turning that into possibly the best offense in the league. It can't be both folks.

 

If your preferred offense involves throwing it all over the place 40 times/game, get over it. They are trying to win games, not please some esoteric vision you have of what a 'fun' offense looks like.

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean why not, you left out a game they scored 36 points in and lost because it didn't fit your narrative.

 

There is always room for improvement.  Acting like this is something to be so concerned about is absurd. If that's the case 30 other teams should be firing their OC's today including Andy Reid firing himself.

 

People are going to the bathroom with boxes of tissues and locking the door for hours to talk about Justin Herbert and he has put up 27 and 20 points. With a lot better WR's, or at least more proven ones, and now even QJ looks like he might be finally getting into the act.

 

I didnt leave any games out, I pointed out the more recent performances as you keep wanting to discuss the past 5 years even though that has no relevancy to this topic.  And I didn't even point out your numbers were wrong.  You said "the offense averages 30+ points per game over the past 5 playoff losses" which is just a made up statement because the real number is 24.6 ppg.  When someone just makes up numbers to sell a bias it is hard to even stay on topic at that point.

 

Again, agree to disagree.  There is no way an honest and unbiased review of the offense in the first 2 games comes away without things to work on or improve.  You want to turn the cheek and think it was perfect, great, whatever suits you.  I prefer to stay in the realm of reality where 251 yards came in 1 quarter made possible by 5 miracles and running a 2 min offense the whole quarter different than the offense we ran the other 7 quarters.  And my personal opinion, play calling and execution were where we had the most to improve on in those moments.  

 

And what is silly about this, this back and forth has made it sound like I am concerned, which I am not and have to keep saying I am not concerned to be clear.  But its more about how upset you are that others are being more unbiased when looking at what went well and also what did not go well for the offense these 2 weeks that should have really resulted in a 1-1 record.

 

 

 

Edited September 16 by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

What's incorrect? They gave up 38, 42, 27, 27, 32 in their last 5 playoff losses, which is 33.2 PPG. 

 

In the Bills 4 AFC Championship games they gave up 3,7, 10 and 13 points = 33 points.

 

 

 

Huh?  You said we average 30+ points per game in our last 5 playoff losses.  Bills have not even been to 4 AFC championship games, what are you even talking about.

 

5 playoff losses:  29+24+10+36+24 = 123 and over 5 games that is 24.6 ppg.  We only broke 30 one time in 5 playoff exits.  

Edited September 16 by Alphadawg7

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

I didnt leave any games out, I pointed out the more recent performances as you keep wanting to discuss the past 5 years even though that has no relevancy to this topic.  And I didn't even point out your numbers were wrong.  You said the offense averages 30+ points per game over the past 5 playoff losses when the real number is 24.6.  You are just making up numbers to sell a bias, so its hard to even stay on topic like that at this point.

He said the opposing offense averaged 30 plus points per game.  Last five Bills playoff losses.

 

Offense:  24.6 ppg

Defense:  33.2 ppg

[Alphadawg7]

38 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You mean when we lose in the playoffs are are putting up 30+ points a game and the defense allows an all-time NFL record 33+ points a game in the last 5 losses? All while Allen is the postseason record holder in most touchdowns per game and lowest INT % per game?

 

Like what the hell are we talking about?  Do you know how many points TOTAL the Bills gave up in AFC Championship games in the 1990's going to 4 straight Super Bowls? 33!  Which is lower than the average the Bills have given up per game in their last 5 playoff losses.

 

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He said the opposing offense averaged 30 plus points per game.  Last five Bills playoff losses.

 

Offense:  24.6 ppg

Defense:  33.2 ppg

 

No he did not.  You cant seem to follow this convo very well.  He said we put up 30+ while our defense gives up 33+ which wasn't even true.  I think you need to read the posts better because you keep asking me things about stuff he keeps saying or he keeps incorrectly citing.    For example 👇

 

21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Why not just the past two years then as it seems more relevant when examining Brady's play calling in the playoffs losses?

 

Why dont you ask him this question - he is the one that keeps talking about non Brady years and including the last 5 years, and now bringing up the Kelly years too lol - I am only responding to his post that are lumping all this in, so you need to ask him these questions.

 

 

Edited September 16 by Alphadawg7

[Doc Brown]

16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

No he did not.  You cant seem to follow this convo very well.  He said we put up 30+ while our defense gives up 33+ which wasn't even true.  I think you need to read the posts better because you keep asking me things about stuff he keeps saying or he keeps incorrectly citing.    For example 👇

 

 

Why dont you ask him this question - he is the one that keeps talking about non Brady years and including the last 5 years, and now bringing up the Kelly years too lol - I am only responding to his post that are lumping all this in, so you need to ask him these questions.

 

 

I'm following it fine.  He gave you the exact average points per game the defense gave up in the five playoff games and you didn't recognize he was citing the defense.  He then cited how much points are defense gave up in the four AFC Championship games in the 90's which somehow went above your head.

 

You were correct in that he was wrong in his 30 plus points per game by our offense.  My question to you is why did you go back three years instead of two since the topic of this thread is about Brady's offenses?

 

23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Bills have not even been to 4 AFC championship games

Very hard fact to prove when they've been to four Super Bowls.

Edited September 16 by Doc Brown

[finn]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm going to believe that some of these "fire drills" are the play.

I didn't mean "randomly" for them or Allen, just the cornerback who often has their back to the play and has no idea where his man is going next. Not sure I agree that these drills are designed; I'd say more often they more follow a "Just get open!" or "Work back to me!" general rule. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, finn said:

I didn't mean "randomly" for them or Allen, just the cornerback who often has their back to the play and has no idea where his man is going next. Not sure I agree that these drills are designed; I'd say more often they more follow a "Just get open!" or "Work back to me!" general rule. 

 

I would think they have some structure.

[finn]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I would think they have some structure.

Could be, especially because it happens so often (evidently) that the initial play doesn't work and Allen has to scramble. Given the sheer frequency of this occurrence, it is likely that Brady has designed at least some off-script plays, as in "If Josh scrambles to the right, you do a curl route and you look for a fade." That's what I meant when I said maybe we'll look back on this era as the beginning of an offensive innovation: the deliberate play breakdown.

 

I recall hearing Steve Young say that in his USFL days, he sometimes told the center to deliberately hike the ball over his (Young's) head just to create a broken play, which, he had observed, usually led to a big play. You see the same thing happen with Allen. The designed plays are fine, but it's the plays when no one gets open and/or the protection breaks down that make the highlight reel. He and Brady must have noticed that. 

[Fetou]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

What's incorrect? They gave up 38, 42, 27, 27, 32 in their last 5 playoff losses, which is 33.2 PPG. The only reason they didn't give up more in 2 of those games is because the Bills controlled the game on the ground and held the ball for so long and KC fumbled at the 1 yard line going in for another TD. I mean the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed in  most of those games...they force 8 punts in 5 games, TOTAL. 

 

The Eagles forced the Chiefs to punt 6 times in one game a week after they did whatever they wanted against us the entire game when they hadn't score more than 30 points the entire season, and 1 of the 2 games they got to 30 points was in OT.

 

In the Bills 4 AFC Championship games they gave up 3,7, 10 and 13 points = 33 points.

Bills fans have some unique ability to just pretend those defensive performances didn't happen as long as we have won a game in the last two weeks.

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, finn said:

Could be, especially because it happens so often (evidently) that the initial play doesn't work and Allen has to scramble. Given the sheer frequency of this occurrence, it is likely that Brady has designed at least some off-script plays, as in "If Josh scrambles to the right, you do a curl route and you look for a fade." That's what I meant when I said maybe we'll look back on this era as the beginning of an offensive innovation: the deliberate play breakdown.

 

It seems to me that Josh "sometimes" flushes out of the pocket on purpose and the blocking is set up for him to do it.

They would never admit to it, but I believe it is part of the overall offensive scheme.

It sets up a lot of big plays AND affords Josh open running lanes too.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm following it fine.  He gave you the exact average points per game the defense gave up in the five playoff games and you didn't recognize he was citing the defense.  He then cited how much points are defense gave up in the four AFC Championship games in the 90's which somehow went above your head.

 

Come on dude - now you are trying to turn this into a defense discussion?  I never responded to or discussed anything related to the defense. I simply corrected the false claims of the offensive average per game he made.  

 

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

You were correct in that he was wrong in his 30 plus points per game by our offense.  My question to you is why did you go back three years instead of two since the topic of this thread is about Brady's offenses?

 

This is starting to feel like a Naked Gun sequel.  You literally just tried to manufacture a defensive convo I didn't once have or participate in to mask being wrong in your previous post.  But now you also come right back in the same reply here and say "topic of this thread is about Brady's offenses" - after you just tried to talk about defense?  

 

And I already answered your question - but since its still somehow not landing, here it is again:  The poster I responded to brought up the last 5 years and made it about the Allen led offense, not about Brady, and he cited incorrect numbers in his post about it.  And I responded about his comments regarding the era he brought up, and corrected the inaccurate numbers he posted.  So go ask him, like I already told you, it was his discussion not mine.

 

You are clearly here to just argue at this point, no matter how illogical it gets

 

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

Very hard fact to prove when they've been to four Super Bowls.

 

No - neither Josh Allen or Joe Brady has.  You want to talk about OJ next in terms of how the offense looked weeks 1 and 2 this year?  Again, one comment you are "This is about Brady" then proceed to try and argue about defense and the Kelly era.  Lol

Edited September 17 by Alphadawg7

[fergie's ire]

On 9/14/2025 at 9:18 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think we scored a TD on the opening drive. 10 points in the first 10 minutes  of the game. Moved the ball throughout. Ran well and hit timely passes. Didn't commit turnovers or stupid costly penalties. That's a recipe to win football games 

 

It's not exciting...but but I'll take 18 more boring games that we grind out 30+ points and a win. 

Right? Why do people have to nitpick? Enjoy the win. People that complain after a win should have to watch at least 4 Bills drought era games in a row before they are allowed to post again. 🤣

Question: In order to save time, would you allow people to only watch 2 games if one of them was the Browns 6-3 game?

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

Question: In order to save time, would you allow people to only watch 2 games if one of them was the Browns 6-3 game?

Only if they watched that one...twice.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Come on dude - now you are trying to turn this into a defense discussion?  I never responded to or discussed anything related to the defense. I simply corrected the false claims of the offensive average per game he made.  

 

 

This is starting to feel like a Naked Gun sequel.  You literally just tried to manufacture a defensive convo I didn't once have or participate in to mask being wrong in your previous post.  But now you also come right back in the same reply here and say "topic of this thread is about Brady's offenses" - after you just tried to talk about defense?  

 

And I already answered your question - but since its still somehow not landing, here it is again:  The poster I responded to brought up the last 5 years and made it about the Allen led offense, not about Brady, and he cited incorrect numbers in his post about it.  And I responded about his comments regarding the era he brought up, and corrected the inaccurate numbers he posted.  So go ask him, like I already told you, it was his discussion not mine.

 

You are clearly here to just argue at this point, no matter how illogical it gets

 

 

No - neither Josh Allen or Joe Brady has.  You want to talk about OJ next in terms of how the offense looked weeks 1 and 2 this year?  Again, one comment you are "This is about Brady" then proceed to try and argue about defense and the Kelly era.  Lol

Some fights aren't worth having.  Go Bills.

[vincec]

On 9/14/2025 at 9:12 PM, dayman said:

We’re scoring points, so I can’t complain too much—but doesn’t it feel like we have a lot of predictable 2nd-down runs that go nowhere and start slow? Came back strong vs. the Ravens, but it’d be nice to open things up earlier. Against the Jets it didn’t matter, but I’m still waiting to see more schemed explosive plays in the passing game, especially early. Similar issues as last year. What do you guys think?

I think this is the type of ball control offense that McDermott wants and is why Brady is the OC. Complimentary football.