Dion Dawkins contract restructure

[White Linen]

12 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

This team is riddled with early round draft busts and expensive, underperforming (or nonexistent) Free Agent signings. 

 

The roster is full of holes and there are very few (if any)  true “blue chip” players outside of the alien under center. Meanwhile, the “big baller” genius GM has zero cap space because he keeps handing out big bags to his mediocre JAGs. 

 

It's a tragedy.  We should win the division and be a contender nearly every year.  

[Big Turk]

On 9/3/2025 at 9:04 AM, 17islongenough said:

Pretty sure they had to do this to get under the cap.

 

Does the player get less money on this because of taxes?  As he would have to pay NY taxes on the full amount. Compared to splitting it amongst different states that they play in with lower income taxes? 

 

He gets a lot more money up front because it gets converted to bonus.

[DCofNC]

On 9/3/2025 at 9:26 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

Ed Oliver next?

No, restructure means you have to kick the can down the road, the last thing they need to do is lock more money into a mediocre DT.

[twoandfourteen]

1 hour ago, White Linen said:

 

It's a tragedy.  We should win the division and be a contender nearly every year.  

 

Now, just imagine what Josh Allen could achieve with a competent GM, a better Head Coach, and one or two more elite, blue-chip players. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

14 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

This team is riddled with early round draft busts and expensive, underperforming (or nonexistent) Free Agent signings. 

 

The roster is full of holes and there are very few (if any)  true “blue chip” players outside of the alien under center. Meanwhile, the “big baller” genius GM has zero cap space because he keeps handing out big bags to his mediocre JAGs. 

100%

[Buffalo716]

22 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

100%

The thought that we have zero Big Time players is kind of ridiculous though buddy 

 

 Dawkins is a blue chip tackle.. severely underrated and been one of the best in the business.. always on an island 

 

Spencer Brown is becoming one of the top right tackles in the world and is physically on a level different than 98% of them .. like give me Green Bay in the super bowl and a Spencer Brown vs parson's matchup.. and Brown will make him his ***** and physically Maul him

 

James Cook is perfect for our system which makes him a big time player 

 

Christian Benford is a legitimate number one cornerback 

 

And we have other players on the rise and other players like Matt Milano who were previous all pros 

 

We have plenty of talent if we had Christian Benford for four quarters last year I truly believe we win because we lost by three and Elam got abused

 

2 years ago no Benford , no rapp and no Bernard with other contributors banged up or missing 

 

That is truly the difference.. we're getting big injuries the week before we play the Chiefs in playoffs.. an NFL team with eight weeks to work out the kinks can figure something out at the NFL level 

 

Losing two or three starters the week before a conference championship game or during the game is infinitely harder to make up

Edited September 5 by Buffalo716

[twoandfourteen]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The thought that we have zero Big Time players is kind of ridiculous though buddy 

 

 Dawkins is a blue chip tackle.. severely underrated and been one of the best in the business.. always on an island 

 

Spencer Brown is becoming one of the top right tackles in the world and is physically on a level different than 98% of them .. like give me Green Bay in the super bowl and a Spencer Brown vs parson's matchup.. and Brown will make him his ***** and physically Maul him

 

James Cook is perfect for our system which makes him a big time player 

 

Christian Benford is a legitimate number one cornerback 

 

And we have other players on the rise and other players like Matt Milano who were previous all pros 

 

We have plenty of talent if we had Christian Benford for four quarters last year I truly believe we win because we lost by three and Elam got abused

 

2 years ago no Benford , no rapp and no Bernard with other contributors banged up or missing 

 

That is truly the difference.. we're getting big injuries the week before we play the Chiefs in playoffs.. an NFL team with eight weeks to work out the kinks can figure something out at the NFL level 

 

Losing two or three starters the week before a conference championship game or during the game is infinitely harder to make up

 

None of the guys you mentioned are even on the same planet as Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, George Karlaftis, Derrick Henry, Mark Andrews, Kyle Hamilton, Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Trey Hendrickson, AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley, or Jalen Carter.

 

I don’t have to rationalize or make a case for anyone on my list the way you have to desperately do for yours. 

[Buffalo716]

17 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

None of the guys you mentioned are even on the same planet as Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, George Karlaftis, Derrick Henry, Mark Andrews, Kyle Hamilton, Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Trey Hendrickson, AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley, or Jalen Carter.

 

I don’t have to rationalize or make a case for anyone on my list the way you have to desperately do for yours. 

Dion Dawkins was voted by the players on the top 100 lol karlaftis not

 

Mark Andrews dropped the ball in the playoffs versus us 

 

T Higgins is good he's never even had to be the guy

 

🤡 

 

I think you're desperately trying to make your case on this message board right now

Edited September 5 by Buffalo716

[twoandfourteen]

48 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dion Dawkins was voted by the players on the top 100 lol karlaftis not

 

Mark Andrews dropped the ball in the playoffs versus us 

 

T Higgins is good he's never even had to be the guy

 

🤡

 

I think you're desperately trying to make your case on this message board right now

 

Dawkins is a very nice player but he does not impact a game at all like the guys i mentioned. Nearly all of them are future Hall of Famers or at least in the conversation. Maybe Karlaftis and Higgins are out, but most of that list will be in Canton one day. 

 

The Bills don’t have a single player on the roster outside of Allen that would even be considered for a gold jacket in the future. 

 

Also, just because Andrews had one bad game it doesn’t discount how dominant he has been at the position for his career. Higgins is a great player and miles ahead of any WR the Bills have currently or have had since Eric Moulds. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Dawkins is a very nice player but he does not impact a game at all like the guys i mentioned. Nearly all of them are future Hall of Famers or at least in the conversation. Maybe Karlaftis and Higgins are out, but most of that list will be in Canton one day. 

 

The Bills don’t have a single player on the roster outside of Allen that would even be considered for a gold jacket in the future. 

 

Also, just because Andrews had one bad game it doesn’t discount how dominant he has been at the position for his career. Higgins is a great player and miles ahead of any WR the Bills have currently or have had since Eric Moulds. 

Mark Andrews t Higgins and karlaftis are not Hall of famers lol

[twoandfourteen]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Mark Andrews t Higgins and karlaftis are not Hall of famers lol

 

Go back and read what I wrote again — I already said that those guys were out. 

 

Think before you post. 

 

No matter what, it doesn’t change the fact that Beane has spent a ton of money and draft picks on a weak, thin and expensive roster that doesn’t have a single game-changer outside of QB. The teams standing in the way of a championship for 17 have several of those guys. 

[twoandfourteen]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 I don't believe you think at all

Ok, well you clearly have nothing worthwhile to contribute and you are now resorting to ad hominems. 

 

Take your “L" and be on your way. 

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

None of the guys you mentioned are even on the same planet as Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, George Karlaftis, Derrick Henry, Mark Andrews, Kyle Hamilton, Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Trey Hendrickson, AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley, or Jalen Carter.

 

What has George Karlaftis done to be included in this group? You might as well add Greg Rousseau.

[billsfan89]

18 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

yeah this one was a head scratcher until I heard McDermott basically tell Bishop to pull his head out of his ass and do his job. Curious how this plays out. Hoping Coach Po can teach bishop how to play right

Simmons is gonna turn 32 this season and he is coming off of a mediocre 2024. Given his age and down trending play from last year I would much rather have Bishop out there and seeing what he can do as opposed to a vet whose possibly only gonna be worse.

[26TrapDraw]

4 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Simmons is gonna turn 32 this season and he is coming off of a mediocre 2024. Given his age and down trending play from last year I would much rather have Bishop out there and seeing what he can do as opposed to a vet whose possibly only gonna be worse.

Could be why they haven’t done it already. I’m all for Bishop learning on the job unless he single-handedly costs us games. We will see what kind of confidence the coaching staff has in him .

[Warriorspikes51]

5 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Simmons is gonna turn 32 this season and he is coming off of a mediocre 2024. Given his age and down trending play from last year I would much rather have Bishop out there and seeing what he can do as opposed to a vet whose possibly only gonna be worse.

bring Peppers in as a heavy hitting chess piece 

[twoandfourteen]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

What has George Karlaftis done to be included in this group? You might as well add Greg Rousseau.

 

Karlaftis is a much more impactful player than Rousseau. 

 

He was also a back-of-the-first round draft pick who has developed into a game-breaking talent for the Chiefs. Rousseau is a JAG, just like the majority of Beane’s roster. 

[Augie]

12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dion Dawkins was voted by the players on the top 100 lol karlaftis not

 

Mark Andrews dropped the ball in the playoffs versus us 

 

T Higgins is good he's never even had to be the guy

 

🤡

 

I think you're desperately trying to make your case on this message board right now

 

It’s not worth the effort. If you go by 2 and 14, it’s clear that you’ll be dwelling on the negative. 

 

We were 2-14 the first two years of my marriage. My bride asked me “why do you do this to yourself?”  Now she proudly wears a Bills shirt that says “I Married Into This” and we are sitting in a hotel room in Williamsville looking forward to the game. We’re excited for a new season to enjoy, warts and all. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Augie said:

 

It’s not worth the effort. If you go by 2 and 14, it’s clear that you’ll be dwelling on the negative. 

 

We were 2-14 the first two years of my marriage. My bride asked me “why do you do this to yourself?”  Now she proudly wears a Bills shirt that says “I Married Into This” and we are sitting in a hotel room in Williamsville looking forward to the game. We’re excited for a new season to enjoy, warts and all. 

That is awesome 

 

Life and being a Bills fan is a lot like boxing.. got to roll with the punches 

 

It's not for the soft or the week or the faint of heart... My father since I was 5 years old always told me with a Buffalo Bills you're paying for the entire seat at the stadium but you're only going to need the edge 

 

And I fully get that reference now because we are cardiac kids this team the city .. it's never smooth but that's why I am the man I am today

 

[HappyDays]

34 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Karlaftis is a much more impactful player than Rousseau. 

 

He was also a back-of-the-first round draft pick who has developed into a game-breaking talent for the Chiefs. Rousseau is a JAG, just like the majority of Beane’s roster. 

 

I mean you're just wrong about this. 2024 stats (both played 16 games, although Karlaftis played 96 more snaps):

 

Sacks - Karlaftis 8.0 / Rousseau 8.0

Pressures - Karlaftis 37 / Rousseau 35

TFLs - Karlaftis 9 / Rousseau 16

 

I know stats don't always tell a black and white story but how can you look at that comparison and tell me Karlaftis is a "game breaking talent" while Rousseau is a JAG?

 

There's a tendency on this board to act like everything KC touches turns to gold. But I think their roster has been a bit overrated. Where they really separate themselves from the rest of the league is their coaching. Compared to our roster on the whole I don't think they had some massive advantage last year... And don't get me wrong, I wish we had at least one legit game changer other than Allen, and I haven't been a big fan of how Beane has prioritized certain positions over others. But he has built a roster that has a very high floor if not a high ceiling. It's a roster that has beaten KC in the regular season where it is more about matchups, but has lost in the playoffs where it is more about coaching.

 

If you're giving Karlaftis that much of an edge over Rousseau, and the same for the rest of the respective rosters, you're giving McDermott a built in excuse that he doesn't really deserve.

 

Edited September 5 by HappyDays