The Best to Never Get There

[Chicken Boo]

42 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Either McDermott figures out how to slow down Andy Reid’s offenses in the playoffs or the Bills fire McDermott and hire a coach that can get the Bills over the hump in the playoffs. Otherwise, if things don’t change, then the Bills w/Josh Allen won’t ever win a Superbowl, let alone make an appearance. IMO, that would be completely unacceptable! 

 

The team plays hard and is successful enough that McDermott will never be fired, IMO.

[Jerry Jabber]

8 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The team plays hard and is successful enough that McDermott will never be fired, IMO.

There’s no doubt McDermott turned the team from a perennial loser to a perennial contender. I’m not sure if he’s good enough to win a Superbowl. 

[st pete gogolak]

10 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

There’s no doubt McDermott turned the team from a perennial loser to a perennial contender. I’m not sure if he’s good enough to win a Superbowl. 

Problem - big problem - is look at EVERY other Pegula pick for both Bills and Sabres other than McBeane. Rex, Ralph Krueger, every single Sabres GM. They have been universally horrible.  If McDermott is fired, I doubt we end up with someone better, probably someone considerably worse.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 8/14/2025 at 12:03 PM, ProcessTruster said:

Single elimination tournaments are, with rare exceptions, won by the team with the best quality coaching/roster.   Josh is great to be sure, but top to bottom from GM through HC all the way down to practice squad, the Chiefs have simply been better than the Bills, not by much, but enough.   Everyone can see it.  Reid/Spags are the best coaching duo in my lifetime-- the Bills have 1st time OC and DCs; Mahomes / Josh is probably a draw, but we have no one like Kelce or Jones, not even close.   

 

Bills can take a meaningless regular season game when injuries at that moment, etc. / home field can make a difference and neither team is opening its entire playbook (esp. the Chiefs), but when its win or go home, having one of a kind talent almost always wins.. Bills do not have one a kind talent anywhere.  Just a very good roster and organization top to bottom.   

 

Be happy people.   We are witnessing the best of the Bills 60+ year history. 

Best of Bills history was 4 straight Superbowls and having to fend off Dan Marino in the same division every year. There’s no one position other than QB that the current Bills team is better at. 

[Jerry Jabber]

1 minute ago, st pete gogolak said:

Problem - big problem - is look at EVERY other Pegula pick for both Bills and Sabres other than McBeane. Rex, Ralph Krueger, every single Sabres GM. They have been universally horrible.  If McDermott is fired, I doubt we end up with someone better, probably someone considerably worse.

Very true! 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

The first one is the hardest especially for a Bills team with all the history of their own plus the 4 SB losses, etc 

 

Once they get one I think they'll get 1-2 more. Maybe Allen goes 2-1 in Super Bowls by the end 

 

In that scenario it's a bummer not to go 3-0 but having 1 or maybe 2 in the bank changes it dramatically. 

That’s what I’m hoping and I guess every fan. That it’s mental and if they get the first one then it will open a flood gate 

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Problem - big problem - is look at EVERY other Pegula pick for both Bills and Sabres other than McBeane. Rex, Ralph Krueger, every single Sabres GM. They have been universally horrible.  If McDermott is fired, I doubt we end up with someone better, probably someone considerably worse.

 

If Terry cleaned house, then it would be a problem as he would be the one leading the search for the next GM/HC. But if he fired only McDermott then it would be Beane leading the search for the next HC as he would be Terry's #1 football man in the Bills organization. Beane has never had the chance to hire his own HC as he came here after McDermott. We don't know how he would do when it came to hiring a HC.

[Billl]

7 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

There’s no doubt McDermott turned the team from a perennial loser to a perennial contender. I’m not sure if he’s good enough to win a Superbowl. 

Honest question.  What has Beane done in terms of roster building that has pushed the team’s talent level ahead of teams like Philadelphia, Baltimore and Kansas City?  

 

I think most would agree that Buffalo had pretty mediocre drafts in 2023 and 2024, and they lost Diggs while still eating $30+ million in dead cap.  Philadelphia had monster drafts both of those years and added Saquan.  Kansas City hasn’t drafted nearly as well as Philadelphia during that period, but they did add a few impact WRs.  Baltimore has drafted well and added Derrick Henry.

 

I just don’t see how you can put the blame on McDermott when his roster has (IMO) regressed compared to their biggest competitors.  Adding Keon Coleman and Cole Bishop while losing Stefon Diggs doesn’t strike me as the recipe for instant improvement relative to what those other teams have done.

[Jerry Jabber]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

Honest question.  What has Beane done in terms of roster building that has pushed the team’s talent level ahead of teams like Philadelphia, Baltimore and Kansas City?  

 

I think most would agree that Buffalo had pretty mediocre drafts in 2023 and 2024, and they lost Diggs while still eating $30+ million in dead cap.  Philadelphia had monster drafts both of those years and added Saquan.  Kansas City hasn’t drafted nearly as well as Philadelphia during that period, but they did add a few impact WRs.  Baltimore has drafted well and added Derrick Henry.

 

I just don’t see how you can put the blame on McDermott when his roster has (IMO) regressed compared to their biggest competitors.  Adding Keon Coleman and Cole Bishop while losing Stefon Diggs doesn’t strike me as the recipe for instant improvement relative to what those other teams have done.

The Bills have invested a ton of capital in their front seven during the McDermott/Beane era (high draft picks/Free Agents), yet the defense constantly fails them in the playoffs. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

6 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

In his 20 years as a NFL HC, Mike Shanahan only took 8 of his teams to the playoffs (7 with Denver) and only 3 of his playoff teams won playoff games.   He made his reputation in his two SB runs, 1997 and 1998.  After Elway retired, Shanahan coached Denver for 10 seasons.  His teams made the playoffs only 4 times with a single win.   Shanahan has been passed over for the HOF several times.  Obviously, I'm not the only one who thinks he wasn't such a great HC.

 

 

Yes, coaching and situational awareness IS a big thing, but so is knowing players' strengths and weaknesses.   Cook's blocking was a liability in the passing game, which is why he didn't often play on third downs, both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

 

 

I think your point about Shanahan is actually the one a lot of us are making: You don't have to have a great coach to win with a SB with an elite QB...you just have to have one that's not a total liability.

 

Unfortunately we do have a HC who has been a total liability as evidenced by how awful his side of the ball and management has been in these big postseason games and how we consistently lose playoff games that our elite QB plays very well in, which is historically just not normal. 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Honest question.  What has Beane done in terms of roster building that has pushed the team’s talent level ahead of teams like Philadelphia, Baltimore and Kansas City?  

 

I think most would agree that Buffalo had pretty mediocre drafts in 2023 and 2024, and they lost Diggs while still eating $30+ million in dead cap.  Philadelphia had monster drafts both of those years and added Saquan.  Kansas City hasn’t drafted nearly as well as Philadelphia during that period, but they did add a few impact WRs.  Baltimore has drafted well and added Derrick Henry.

 

I just don’t see how you can put the blame on McDermott when his roster has (IMO) regressed compared to their biggest competitors.  Adding Keon Coleman and Cole Bishop while losing Stefon Diggs doesn’t strike me as the recipe for instant improvement relative to what those other teams have done.

Draft, develop, and retain. A strategy most/no teams focus on and we do it as brand. it often time feels like our leadership is a little “too” invested in branding and public image. 
 

What we are doing sounds good for the cameras, but most teams are focused talent above all else. Buffalo “processes” themselves out of talented players to stick to whatever the slogan is.
 

I think history has shown pretty conclusively teams that try and kumbaya vs pursue the best talent, lose. Patriots, Chiefs, Eagles, Cowboys. All of those runs, multiple Super Bowls. Multiple problem players at the least at the draft pick level.
 

Where is the example of what we label as our identity taking home the Lombardi?

Edited August 15 by Mikie2times

[Lost]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

If Terry cleaned house, then it would be a problem as he would be the one leading the search for the next GM/HC. But if he fired only McDermott then it would be Beane leading the search for the next HC as he would be Terry's #1 football man in the Bills organization. Beane has never had the chance to hire his own HC as he came here after McDermott. We don't know how he would do when it came to hiring a HC.

 

Beane would just hire someone off of Carolina's staff 😆

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I told you all that McDermott is Marty Schottenheimer 2.0.

 

What's worse is that as long as McSchottenheimer is coach Josh will become the next Philip Rivers 2.0. 

 

You have been been warned!!!

Edited August 15 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[SirAndrew]

34 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I told you all that McDermott is Marty Schottenheimer 2.0.

 

What's worse is that as long as McSchottenheimer is coach Josh will become the next Philip Rivers 2.0. 

 

You have been been warned!!!

Absolutely, I get downvoted for saying this all the time, but McD is a different guy in the playoffs. I don’t know if that psychological issue can ever be solved with him. I think it’s just all a matter of how you perceive those loses.

Edited August 15 by SirAndrew

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I think your point about Shanahan is actually the one a lot of us are making: You don't have to have a great coach to win with a SB with an elite QB...you just have to have one that's not a total liability.

 

Unfortunately we do have a HC who has been a total liability as evidenced by how awful his side of the ball and management has been in these big postseason games and how we consistently lose playoff games that our elite QB plays very well in, which is historically just not normal. 

 

You don't know what a coach who is a "total liability" even looks like.   Dick Jauron was a HC who was a "total liability".  Kay Stephenson and Hank Bullough were "total liabilities".  Jim Ringo was a "total liability".  So was John Rauch.

 

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Draft, develop, and retain. A strategy most/no teams focus on and we do it as brand. it often time feels like our leadership is a little “too” invested in branding and public image. 
 

What we are doing sounds good for the cameras, but most teams are focused talent above all else. Buffalo “processes” themselves out of talented players to stick to whatever the slogan is.
 

I think history has shown pretty conclusively teams that try and kumbaya vs pursue the best talent, lose. Patriots, Chiefs, Eagles, Cowboys. All of those runs, multiple Super Bowls. Multiple problem players at the least at the draft pick level.
 

Where is the example of what we label as our identity taking home the Lombardi?

 

What bull manure!!!!   Every team wants to draft good players, develop them into better players, and keep the best of them, and the successful teams do this better than the bottom feeders.   

 

What very recent history has shown is that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.   

 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

26 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

You don't know what a coach who is a "total liability" even looks like.   Dick Jauron was a HC who was a "total liability".  Kay Stephenson and Hank Bullough were "total liabilities".  Jim Ringo was a "total liability".  So was John Rauch.

 

 

What bull manure!!!!   Every team wants to draft good players, develop them into better players, and keep the best of them, and the successful teams do this better than the bottom feeders.   

 

What very recent history has shown is that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.   

 

 

 

So who again has done the kumbaya Super Bowl?  
 

The best teams pursue talent first, character second. The Bills pursue character first, talent second. Then they retain players as if those players are the most talented in the roles they have, boxing out any potential to upgrade those positions with extensions. As if Bernard at MLB is the best we can do. Please….
 

Would we have taken Tyreek Hill, Jalen Carter, or even a total scumbag like Aaron Hernandez? Nope. That’s not in the process. What good is process if it can’t absorb talented players with character issues. Football isn’t charity work. It’s a violent game that often has troubled and violent people playing it. Do we have the dogs we need? I don’t know, but the question doesn’t scare me like it appears to scare you. 

Edited August 16 by Mikie2times

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

So who again has done the kumbaya Super Bowl?  
 

The best teams pursue talent first, character second. The Bills pursue character first, talent second. Then they retain players as if those players are the most talented in the roles they have, boxing out any potential to upgrade those positions with extensions. As if Bernard at MLB is the best we can do. Please….
 

Would we have taken Tyreek Hill, Jalen Carter, or even a total scumbag like Aaron Hernandez? Nope. That’s not in the process. What good is process if it can’t absorb talented players with character issues. Football isn’t charity work. It’s a violent game that often has troubled and violent people playing it. Do we have the dogs we need? I don’t know, but the question doesn’t scare me like it appears to scare you. 

They brought in Gable Steveson (seriously, why TF would they do that) last year and drafted Maxwell Hairston in the first.  I don’t think they’re too worried about bringing in  potential character risks.

[ShakAttack]

***** the Chiefs

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

So who again has done the kumbaya Super Bowl?  
 

The best teams pursue talent first, character second. The Bills pursue character first, talent second. Then they retain players as if those players are the most talented in the roles they have, boxing out any potential to upgrade those positions with extensions. As if Bernard at MLB is the best we can do. Please….
 

Would we have taken Tyreek Hill, Jalen Carter, or even a total scumbag like Aaron Hernandez? Nope. That’s not in the process. What good is process if it can’t absorb talented players with character issues. Football isn’t charity work. It’s a violent game that often has troubled and violent people playing it. Do we have the dogs we need? I don’t know, but the question doesn’t scare me like it appears to scare you. 

 

Did I say anything about your "historical" theory?  No.

 

I specifically referenced this statement by bolding it: 

 

"Draft, develop, and retain. A strategy most/no teams focus on and we do it as brand. it often time feels like our leadership is a little “too” invested in branding and public image."

 

It is easily one of the all time most ignorant statements ever made on TSW by a non-troll poster. 

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Did I say anything about your "historical" theory?  No.

 

I specifically referenced this statement by bolding it: 

 

"Draft, develop, and retain. A strategy most/no teams focus on and we do it as brand. it often time feels like our leadership is a little “too” invested in branding and public image."

 

It is easily one of the all time most ignorant statements ever made on TSW by a non-troll poster. 

At this point, the further away I can get from what you think, the closer I likely am to reality 

Edited August 16 by Mikie2times