The Best to Never Get There

[wppete]

[nedboy7]

I blame the fans. 

[billykay]

2 hours ago, Negan said:

Coaching failures have a real effect on this.

 

13 seconds.

 

Defense not making any plays.

 

Players dropping passes.

 

Is there a stat telling what teams drop the most passes ?

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

It is a bit mind numbing that Allen and the Bills just can’t get past KC.  It’s a bit like the Bills 4 SB losses.  At some point, you just wondered… what can they possibly do to win? 
 

I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again… Beane needs to have a team of scouts that are doing nothing but watching every game KC and Reid have played and figure a way to beat them.   They simply cannot rely on McD to figure it out.  Four losses is enough.  They have to do something a bit drastic.  Adding rookies to your DLine I don’t think is gonna get it done. 
 

Also… why is it our coaches all get poached… but Spags just stays in KC forever!?  And knows exactly what to do to beat Allen.   WTF 

Allen averages 66% passing and 327 yards of offense vs KC in the playoffs, w a TD/turnover ratio of 11/1...i would hardly call that knowing exactly what to do to beat him lol

[RoscoeParrish]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

Another day, another thread whining about how bad the Bills are and how bad McDermott is.    Is John Harbaugh also a bad HC because Lamar has started in a Super Bowl yet?

 

FYI, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon are the two best QBs who never made the Super Bowl.  Both Josh and Lamar still have plenty of time.   

 

Nobody is guaranteed anything in this life, including Bills fans.  Deal with it.

Mike Greenberg isn’t a Bills fan.

 

this is going to keep happening, louder and louder.

[RoscoeParrish]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

No

In fact Harbaugh caught lightning in a bottle when Flacco had his great playoff run and turned it into a Super Bowl victory like you're supposed to do

 

What is happening here is completely unprecedented. I'm not sure people are aware how truly unlikely some of these statistics are

No QB has lost to another QB 4 times in a row in the postseason.

 

Even Peyton got a couple over Brady.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

No QB has lost to another QB 4 times in a row in the postseason.

 

Even Peyton got a couple over Brady.

right

 

people are always saying, 'oh, we just have a Chiefs problem in the playoffs' like everyone in the AFC is in the same boat

 

well the chiefs average 23.5ppg in the playoffs vs everyone except us

against us they average 34.75

 

there is no QB play in nfl history good enough to make up for that discrepancy. the fact that we've even been competitive in these games is staggering

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

To be fair, even a lot of HOF head coaches only have .500 career playoff records or worse.

Tony Dungy has a 9-10 playoff record and he had Peyton Manning for a lot of that. Andy Reid's playoff record before winning his first Super Bowl was 12-14. Bill Cowher is 12-9. Marty Schottenheimer was 5-13. John Harbaugh is 13-11. 

 

Getting to and winning the Super Bowl is hard. You not only have to have a great coach that knows what he is doing, you also have to have some luck on your side. It's not a walk in the park

 

But again, the coaches on that list weren't consistently losing games that their elite QB's played very well in. Peyton had clunkers that were the reason for quite a few of his postseason losses. Those guys weren't scoring 27-30+ in those games almost every year and losing. 

 

Our defensive coach has gotten so much production from the offensive side of the ball in the playoffs and for 6 straight postseasons has not figured out how to be even half-decent in January. That's a big problem. 

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He does play well in the playoffs. But the winner of this award was always likely to be a guy still playing, in other words a guy who has not yet used up all his chances to get to a Super Bowl. Also worth pointing out that as well as Josh played in those games, Mahomes outplayed him in most of them.

 

Greeny points out that Allen only has one INT against KC in the playoff losses. Mahomes has zero in the same games.

 

In any case, Peyton made the SB his first time in his 9th year.

 

Fouts never played in the SB.

 

Tarkenton didn't make the Super Bowl, or I believe the playoffs, till like his 12th or 13th year.

 

Allen's got plenty of time and is on a team that has given him chances nearly every year. He'll make it more than once, says I, and win a minimum of one, probably more.

 

 

 

You're right, they don't have a competent coach.

 

McDermott is far far better than that.

 

But yeah, overreacting and dumb hot takes are fun, so go do your thing.

 

What is McDermott far, far better than competent at? He's a defensive coach whose defense has been HISTORICALLY bad in the postseason and has been the primary culprit for us getting bounced every single postseason. His game management also cost us huge in the 13 seconds game. What exactly is he so competent at?

[billsfan89]

Well thankfully Josh's career isn't over yet? Keep the faith Josh's time will come...

[Mikie2times]

16 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

But again, the coaches on that list weren't consistently losing games that their elite QB's played very well in. Peyton had clunkers that were the reason for quite a few of his postseason losses. Those guys weren't scoring 27-30+ in those games almost every year and losing. 

 

Our defensive coach has gotten so much production from the offensive side of the ball in the playoffs and for 6 straight postseasons has not figured out how to be even half-decent in January. That's a big problem. 

What is McDermott far, far better than competent at? He's a defensive coach whose defense has been HISTORICALLY bad in the postseason and has been the primary culprit for us getting bounced every single postseason. His game management also cost us huge in the 13 seconds game. What exactly is he so competent at?

I would be willing to make a wager that no coach in NFL history has lost more playoff games his offense has scored 24 points in. He might be tied, but almost certain he holds that distinction. It's not common. We have 3 in franchise history and 4 with Allen. 

Edited August 14 by Mikie2times

[mjt328]

Sean McDermott is a disciple of Andy Reid.

 

Oddly enough, Andy Reid was the NFL's poster-child for 20 years for "almost" getting there and never being able to get over the hump.  He started coaching the Eagles in 2001 and then moved to the Chiefs in 2013.  In that 20 year period (before he finally won the Super Bowl), Reid's teams had 14 playoff appearances, 9 division titles, 6 championship game appearances and one loss in the big game.  And no trophy to show for it.  Wow.

 

So what was the big change that happened in 2019?  The answer you will get from 99% of football fans will probably be Patrick Mahomes, and they aren't necessarily wrong.  But it should also be pointed out that Steve Spagnuolo was hired in 2019 as the team's Defensive Coordinator.  Yes, the same guy who created the defense that stopped the undefeated Patriots way back on 2007 has also helped the Chiefs win all three of their Super Bowls.  Hard to find it just a coincidence.

 

Personally, I don't think Spagnuolo is a significantly better defensive coach than McDermott.  The numbers from year to year certainly don't support that.  But I do think Spag's strategy (particularly when it comes to pressuring QBs) just seems to work better in the postseason against the NFL's best passers.  While Spagnuolo is more about creating chaos with blitzes, McDermott's strategy has always been to rely more on confusing coverage packages, and then pressure with four guys.  And it just hasn't worked.  

 

Last year, the Bills defense started a gradual shift into being more versatile.  More man coverage.  Occasionally breaking out of the Nickel.  The next step will be to bring more blitzes, and create more chaos along the front with stunts and shifts.  There have been some reports out of training camp that we are doing exactly that.  I hope it translates into the postseason.  As many of us have been stating for 2-3 years, this team won't take the next step until we can significantly increase our pressure on the QB in the playoffs.

 

Edited August 14 by mjt328

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

More in the media have been calling McDermott out. Maybe it will get to the point where Terry does something about that. Not that I expect it will happen anytime soon. 

 

I think if JA continues to perform well in the playoffs, and the D continues to underperform, more pressure will be put on Terry to make a change.  All that said, I really hope McD has learned something over the years and wins it all this year! 

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

Sean McDermott is a disciple of Andy Reid.

 

Oddly enough, Andy Reid was the NFL's poster-child for 20 years for "almost" getting there and never being able to get over the hump.  He started coaching the Eagles in 2001 and then moved to the Chiefs in 2013.  In that 20 year period (before he finally won the Super Bowl), Reid's teams had 14 playoff appearances, 9 division titles, 6 championship game appearances and one loss in the big game.  And no trophy to show for it.  Wow.

 

So what was the big change that happened in 2019?  The answer you will get from 99% of football fans will probably be Patrick Mahomes, and they aren't necessarily wrong.  But it should also be pointed out that Steve Spagnuolo was hired in 2019 as the team's Defensive Coordinator.  Yes, the same guy who created the defense that stopped the undefeated Patriots way back on 2007 has also helped the Chiefs win all three of their Super Bowls.  Hard to find it just a coincidence.

 

Personally, I don't think Spagnuolo is a significantly better defensive coach than McDermott.  The numbers from year to year certainly don't support that.  But I do think Spag's strategy (particularly when it comes to pressuring QBs) just seems to work better in the postseason against the NFL's best passers.  While Spagnuolo is more about creating chaos with blitzes, McDermott's strategy has always been to rely more on confusing coverage packages, and then pressure with four guys.  And it just hasn't worked.  

 

Last year, the Bills defense started a gradual shift into being more versatile.  More man coverage.  Occasionally breaking out of the Nickel.  The next step will be to bring more blitzes, and create more chaos along the front with stunts and shifts.  There have been some reports out of training camp that we are doing exactly that.  I hope it translates into the postseason.  As many of us have been stating for 2-3 years, this team won't take the next step until we can significantly increase our pressure on the QB in the playoffs.

 

 

It's really all about the post-season at this point.  We are regular season champs, beating KC and others.  Need to win in the playoffs, however.  The D has been a sieve.  

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

Sean McDermott is a disciple of Andy Reid.

 

Oddly enough, Andy Reid was the NFL's poster-child for 20 years for "almost" getting there and never being able to get over the hump.  He started coaching the Eagles in 2001 and then moved to the Chiefs in 2013.  In that 20 year period (before he finally won the Super Bowl), Reid's teams had 14 playoff appearances, 9 division titles, 6 championship game appearances and one loss in the big game.  Wow.

 

So what was the big change that happened in 2019?  The answer you will get from 99% of football fans will probably be Patrick Mahomes, and they aren't necessarily wrong.  But it should also be pointed out that Steve Spagnuolo was hired in 2019 as the team's Defensive Coordinator.  Yes, the same guy who created the defense that stopped the undefeated Patriots way back on 2007 has also helped the Chiefs win all three of their Super Bowls.  Hard to find it just a coincidence.

 

Personally, I don't think Spagnuolo is a significantly better defensive coach than McDermott.  The numbers from year to year certainly don't support that.  But I do think Spag's strategy (particularly when it comes to pressuring QBs) just seems to work better in the postseason against the NFL's best passers.  While Spagnuolo is more about creating chaos with blitzes, McDermott's strategy has always been to rely more on confusing coverage packages, and then pressure with four guys.  And it just hasn't worked.  

 

 

Last year, the Bills defense started a gradual shift into being more versatile.  More man coverage.  Occasionally breaking out of the Nickel.  The next step will be to bring more blitzes, and create more chaos along the front with stunts and shifts.  There have been some reports out of training camp that we are doing exactly that.  I hope it translates into the postseason.  As many of us have been stating for 2-3 years, this team won't take the next step until we can significantly increase our pressure on the QB in the playoffs.

 

There’s something contradictory about “Spags isn’t a significantly better defensive coach than McD” and “Spags is much better in the playoffs against very good QB”

 

Feel like that would kinda be a discrepancy making one better than the other.

[Buffalo716]

You guys are real masochists LOL 

 

They act like Josh Allen is 40 years old and played 21 years in the league without going to the super bowl 

 

He's not even in his prime.. he's literally going to peek 29 to 35

1 hour ago, wppete said:

The refs screwing Josh Allen with a terrible spot on 4th and inches is way bigger than that Dalton Kincaid drop which was a miracle to even get there 

 

They actually had favorable spots all night which is ludicrous for an NFL crew.. you can literally see some times where the refs move the ball back and extra 3 ft hahaha

 

That's an issue... If the refs can't make the correct that's an issue... There were more egregious spots in that playoff game than any playoff game I've ever seen 

 

That's my problem

Edited August 14 by Buffalo716

[RoscoeParrish]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You guys are real masochists LOL 

 

They act like Josh Allen is 40 years old and played 21 years in the league without going to the super bowl 

 

He's not even in his prime.. he's literally going to peek 29 to 35

The refs screwing Josh Allen on his terrible spot is way bigger than that Dalton Kincaid drop which was a miracle to even get there 

 

They actually had favorable spots all night which is ludicrous for an NFL crew.. you can literally see some times where the refs move the ball back and extra 3 ft hahaha

 

That's an issue

Big Ben never played in a Super Bowl past 28.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Big Ben never played in a Super Bowl past 28.

 Big Ben isn't as good as Josh Allen lol

 

He also went to like 3 before that , the chances of keeping a Hall of Fame quarterback out of the super bowl is slim to none 

 

Sorry Warren Moon

 

Sean McDermott's  also is a better developer of talent than Mike Tomlin... People complain about McDermott all the time but they don't talk about the countless draft picks that he has developed 

 

Not Blue Chip top 10 guys.. 4th 5th 6th 7th round picks some undrafted guys

Edited August 14 by Buffalo716

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You guys are real masochists LOL 

 

They act like Josh Allen is 40 years old and played 21 years in the league without going to the super bowl 

 

He's not even in his prime.. he's literally going to peek 29 to 35

 

The issue isn't Allen. He has played very well in the playoffs. It's the defense. I mentioned this before but I really hope the moves Beane made to improve the D are successful as the entire season depends on it. If not then expect more of the same. Division title, a win on WC weekend, then bounced in either the divisional round or AFCCG. Another year wasted of Allen's career. It's like watching groundhog day with the Beane/McDermott Bills every year.

[mjt328]

1 minute ago, RoscoeParrish said:

There’s something contradictory about “Spags isn’t a significantly better defensive coach than McD” and “Spags is much better in the playoffs against very good QB”

 

Feel like that would kinda be a discrepancy making one better than the other.

 

I understand what you are saying, but I do try to consider a person's whole body of work and not just performance in the postseason.

 

Were Tom Brady, Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw significantly better quarterbacks than Peyton Manning and Dan Marino?  They performed much better in the postseason, but I personally I would say they weren't.

 

Also, it isn't like Spags defense hasn't been regularly smoked by Josh Allen too.  The difference is that he seems to create just enough pressure to force that extra missed throw (like when Chris Jones barely knocked Allen's throw off in the 2023 divisional game, on what would have been a touchdown pass). 

 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 Big Ben isn't as good as Josh Allen lol

 

He also went to like 3 before that , the chances of keeping a Hall of Fame quarterback out of the super bowl is slim to none 

 

Sorry Warren Moon

 

Sean McDermott's also better than Mike Tomlin

So 8 years of that being accomplished and fans that question it are hateful, bitter, not patient. Fill in whatever else has been said. As has been called out in this thread, this has been largely a Buffalo story. It will soon become a national story and that is what could eventually change our direction.  

[BVBILLS]

Spags is the Chefs secret weapon for sure. That and the Bills making draft day trades with them. lol