I didn't see this posted, Bills sign Safety Tre Herndon

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, chris heff said:

I watched it, and thought he was sending a message. Herndon hasn’t played since 2023. Giants cut him before the season in 2024, Saints sign him to practice squad. Picked up by Colts and released four days ago. Herndon is not the answer, he is a body.

Unless Bishop is on PUP or IR. Then he has to fill  a roster spot.  I agree that I doubt he make is past camp, but who knows

 

[HurlyBurly51]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Just to be clear, all the griping in this thread is directed toward Bishop, who returned to practice today and practiced in full, right?

  

[MasterStrategist]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Not if Bishop can't start the season.  Go back and watch how McDermott answered questions about Bishop.  

Overreaction.

 

Money on Bishop starting at safety to start the year.

 

Cam is also not practicing, signing Tre just about numbers now

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Just to be clear, all the griping in this thread is directed toward Bishop, who returned to practice today and practiced in full, right?

Don't be rational on here, thats not allowed.

 

Now that the Cook deal is done, people have to find someone else to gripe about.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Not if Bishop can't start the season.  Go back and watch how McDermott answered questions about Bishop.  

And even if he can’t play, the likelihood of Herndon making the team is slim to none imo.  They’d roll with Rapp, Hamlin, Lewis and Hancock.  No need for him.  Keep 6 WRs 

Edited August 14 by NewEra

[HamptonBillsfan]

6 hours ago, Ben said:

I bet we see Hancock starting at safety by mid season. And I think hell keep the job for years 

Hancock is already better than Bishop. Bishop is soft and injury prone and he’s often out of position. Hairston and Bishop are a stain on Beane and his scouting department. I’m terribly sorry if that disappoints fans who can’t handle the truth. Explain what you like about Bishop and then think of the criticism leveled against Hairston at training camp and then he gets seriously injured. If he turns out to be a good pro I’ll stop posting.

 

[HOUSE]

Hold on to the ball you dummy

 

https://youtu.be/PjG3nMh85NY?si=iWHsdNgIxajmJduq

 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Hancock is already better than Bishop. Bishop is soft and injury prone and he’s often out of position. Hairston and Bishop are a stain on Beane and his scouting department. I’m terribly sorry if that disappoints fans who can’t handle the truth. Explain what you like about Bishop and then think of the criticism leveled against Hairston at training camp and then he gets seriously injured. If he turns out to be a good pro I’ll stop posting.

 

Terrel Bernard ring a bell? I'm not going to bother looking through everyone's post history here, but we only need to go back 2 seasons to find hot takes from guys like you. 

 

Even if it doesn't work out its not going to happen until we have had a chance to develop him (2 more years minimum). You don't get bonus points for moving on more quickly 

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He was abnormally blunt when it came to Bishop yesterday. I think he is about done.

If he can't get it together this year, I can see McDermott sending him packing.  They are getting less and less patient with oft injured players

If it keeps him off the field repeatedly, its not minor.  There just comes a point we need a roster that is mostly full of healthy players. This guy has had TWO camps out of TWO where he cant come close to fully participating. Sorry but thats a huge red flag./

 

Didn't McDermott bench and then maybe make Taron Johnson a gameday inactive at some point early in his career? Included public comments of a similar nature IIRC

 

7 hours ago, Logic said:

Just to be clear, all the griping in this thread is directed toward Bishop, who returned to practice today and practiced in full, right?

 

Reminds me of Terrel Bernard entering his 2nd season. Hurt for majority of preseason, then gets healthy just in time and is named starter, never looks back (except for continued smattering of injuries). Hopefully Bishop gets back out there and doesn't let go of his opportunity. 

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

Hancock isn't really playing that role. He is learning the Cam Lewis 3rd safety/nickel CB role.

Talent gets you on the field.  And Hancock has that.  He started on the Buckeyes Nat Championship team.  So he can play football.  He will be good for us.  And he has a much higher ceiling than Lewis and Hamlin.  

[TheBrownBear]

10 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

There just comes a point we need a roster that is mostly full of healthy players. This guy has had TWO camps out of TWO where he cant come close to fully participating. Sorry but thats a huge red flag./

Guy had a random scapular fracture as a rook, but still played in 16 games, started 4, and started.pur playoff game against the Chiefs.  He had no significant injury concerns in college.  He's barely a year into his career. If he doesn't start and misses 5+ games this year, then you can label him a red flag. I expect him to show out as the season progresses.

 

Edited August 14 by TheBrownBear

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He was abnormally blunt when it came to Bishop yesterday. I think he is about done.

 

 

Yea I thought he sounded blunt on both Bishop and Samuel. There was some tangible frustration in his tone on both IMO.

 

That said I agree with @gonzo1105 - this move is about making sure they can get through the Bears game without exposing their second stringers to too heavy a workload while Bishop and Rapp remain out. 

10 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Hancock is already better than Bishop. Bishop is soft and injury prone and he’s often out of position. Hairston and Bishop are a stain on Beane and his scouting department. I’m terribly sorry if that disappoints fans who can’t handle the truth. Explain what you like about Bishop and then think of the criticism leveled against Hairston at training camp and then he gets seriously injured. If he turns out to be a good pro I’ll stop posting.

 

 

If who turns out to be a good pro? Hairston or Bishop?

[Andrew Son]

10 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Hancock is already better than Bishop. Bishop is soft and injury prone and he’s often out of position. Hairston and Bishop are a stain on Beane and his scouting department. I’m terribly sorry if that disappoints fans who can’t handle the truth. Explain what you like about Bishop and then think of the criticism leveled against Hairston at training camp and then he gets seriously injured. If he turns out to be a good pro I’ll stop posting.

 

lol, “the truth”…

 

A first round rookie who has yet to play a snap is a stain on Beane and his scouting staff…

 

Tell us more, genius 

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Unless Bishop is on PUP or IR. Then he has to fill  a roster spot.  I agree that I doubt he make is past camp, but who knows

 

 

Bishop can't go on PUP. Once you are in camp it's too late. He would have to go IR. I don't think I expect that at this stage... but even if he does Herndon is still a fair way down the pecking order. I think Rapp, Hamlin, Lewis, Forrest and even Hancock as a safety would all come in advance of Herndon. 

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Hancock is already better than Bishop. Bishop is soft and injury prone and he’s often out of position. Hairston and Bishop are a stain on Beane and his scouting department. I’m terribly sorry if that disappoints fans who can’t handle the truth. Explain what you like about Bishop and then think of the criticism leveled against Hairston at training camp and then he gets seriously injured. If he turns out to be a good pro I’ll stop posting.

 

Keep posting even if he becomes all pro.  You’re obviously some sort of scouting prodigy. We need you here.  Please don’t go!  
 

We could use some laughs.

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Guy had a random scapular fracture as a rook, but still played in 16 games, started 4, and started.pur playoff game against the Chiefs.  He had no significant injury concerns in college.  He's barely a year into his career. If he doesn't start and misses 5+ games this year, then you can label him a red flag. I expect him to show out as the season progresses.

 

Then tell McDermott because a couple days ago he seemed pretty tired of him being out.

50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Bishop can't go on PUP. Once you are in camp it's too late. He would have to go IR. I don't think I expect that at this stage... but even if he does Herndon is still a fair way down the pecking order. I think Rapp, Hamlin, Lewis, Forrest and even Hancock as a safety would all come in advance of Herndon. 

I see that, good call. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

10 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Terrel Bernard ring a bell? I'm not going to bother looking through everyone's post history here, but we only need to go back 2 seasons to find hot takes from guys like you. 

 

Even if it doesn't work out its not going to happen until we have had a chance to develop him (2 more years minimum). You don't get bonus points for moving on more quickly 

You like Hairston even though he comes with the shortcomings I detailed from the professional scouting operations, God bless you. If you haven’t paying attention, Beane’s history of drafting and FA acquisitions in the secondary has been spotty to bad as exemplified by what we have back there now.

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Keep posting even if he becomes all pro.  You’re obviously some sort of scouting prodigy. We need you here.  Please don’t go!  
 

We could use some laughs.

I’m all for some comic relief on this board with the heightened sensitivity shown when someone offers up some objectivity on the negative side of a draft choice or FA acquisition. Since your cynical approach to accepting what is the collective opinion of scouts that do this stuff for a living, is belittling the messenger, what are you willing to do if Hairston is a liability? With your history of taking yourself really seriously, I’m sure you’ll just go into denial mode.

[HamptonBillsfan]

2 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

lol, “the truth”…

 

A first round rookie who has yet to play a snap is a stain on Beane and his scouting staff…

 

Tell us more, genius 

Flattery will get you everywhere with me. Actually the stain is more the wasted cap space on the PED D-lineman, the 1st round flop Elam,not generating a viable pass rush in 3 years while giving Miller a ridiculous contract and then reaching in the 1st round for a  slight,poor tackling, injury prone Hairston. I hope I’m wrong, because we need him to be a corner that covers the other team’s best. I’m not optimistic.

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I thought he sounded blunt on both Bishop and Samuel. There was some tangible frustration in his tone on both IMO.

 

That said I agree with @gonzo1105 - this move is about making sure they can get through the Bears game without exposing their second stringers to too heavy a workload while Bishop and Rapp remain out. 

 

If who turns out to be a good pro? Hairston or Bishop?

Hairston, but I’d like Bishop to show something already.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

 

Hairston, but I’d like Bishop to show something already.

 

What is it about him that makes you so convinced he will fail?

[HamptonBillsfan]

10 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Terrel Bernard ring a bell? I'm not going to bother looking through everyone's post history here, but we only need to go back 2 seasons to find hot takes from guys like you. 

 

Even if it doesn't work out it’s not going to happen until we have had a chance to develop him (2 more years minimum). You don't get bonus points for moving on more quickly 

Did I think Bernard would be far better than Edmunds, no. Hats off to those that saw that coming. Hairston is a different story. As a 1st rounder,, someone who is recognized by many scouting operations as being soft against the run and a problematic tackler while having injuries, is a reach. Plain and simple. Usually you can’t teach toughness.