WGR Discussing McD's job security

[Mikie2times]

One black mark on both of them, Beane and McD, is the roster itself. You look at the first rebuild and it’s beating the current one by a landslide. We had a better roster in 2019-2022. We are regressing. If you compare position by position it’s clear as day. Especially WR and DB.

Edited August 11 by Mikie2times

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

One black mark on both of them, Beane and McD, is the roster itself. You look at the first rebuild and it’s beating the current one by a landslide. We had a better roster in 2019-2022. We are regressing. If you compare position by position it’s clear as day. Especially WR and DB.

The roster is regressing when we are favored to win all 17 games?  

We weren’t favored to win all 17 last year and we regressed? 
 

Our current over under is 11.5 wins compared to 10 last year at this time.

DraftKings has us favored to win the Super Bowl and second in the others.  We were what 5th/6th last year?

 

Regressed?

Edited August 11 by Royale with Cheese

[twoandfourteen]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The roster is regressing when we are favored to win all 17 games?  

We weren’t favored to win all 17 last year and we regressed? 
 

Our current over under is 11.5 wins compared to 10 last year at this time.

DraftKings has us favored to win the Super Bowl and second in the others.  We were what 5th/6th last year?

 

Regressed?

 

They are favored because of Josh Allen. End of story.

 

The guy is a supernova at the position. 

 

Outside of QB, this is a 5 win roster — at best. 

[Mikie2times]

51 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The roster is regressing when we are favored to win all 17 games?  

We weren’t favored to win all 17 last year and we regressed? 
 

Our current over under is 11.5 wins compared to 10 last year at this time.

DraftKings has us favored to win the Super Bowl and second in the others.  We were what 5th/6th last year?

 

Regressed?

The roster in 2020 is still unequivocally better. You can’t possibly make any direct argument against that statement. Which is why you didn’t. 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

They are favored because of Josh Allen. End of story.

 

The guy is a supernova at the position. 

 

Outside of QB, this is a 5 win roster — at best. 

you could say the same about those Brady's patriots. 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

This is a very interesting post. Do we want McD and co to be drafting a 1st round QB, even trading up to do so, in Josh Allen’s 14th season?

 

That’s only 6 years away. Here I thought the SB window had plenty of time, this post makes it seem like we are on the back nine already.

 

I've wondered about this myself.  The very best example of preparing for the departure of a future HOF QB is Green Bay, and they did it twice.  In 2005 they drafted Aaron Rodgers while they still had Favre who was in his fifteenth season and still playing well.  Rodgers sat on the bench for three seasons until Favre was traded.  In 2020, the Packers took Jordan Love in first round when Rodgers was in his sixteenth season.  I think that it's likely GB drafted Rodgers because they saw an opportunity; he was projected to go at the top of the 2005 draft, but he was still on the board when GB drafted at #24.  I think they were deliberately looking for a successor to Rodgers before 2020, but that's when they found a candidate they liked enough to draft in Love.

 

Two other teams that had aging future HOF QBs failed to adequately prepare for  the inevitable.   

• Denver failed twice, although unlike Pittsburgh, they at least tried. After John Elway retired after the Broncos won their 2nd Super Bowl in 1998, the team went through a string of decent to mediocre QBs until they finally signed Peyton Manning in 2012.  Manning won the Super Bowl in 2015 and retired, and the Broncos have been a team in search of a QB ever since.  In 2024, they drafted Bo Nix in the first round of the draft, and he took them to the playoffs for the first time since Manning retired.
• After allowing Tom Brady to leave, the Patriots drafted Mac Jones at #15 in 2021.  In 2024, they drafted Drake Maye #3 over all who has looked very promising.

I think that the best route for a team with an aging franchise QB who is still playing well (like Elway and Brady) is to be opportunistic, and draft a top prospect even if  the youngster has to sit behind the star for a season or two.   Baltimore did this when they drafted Lamar Jackson while Joe Flacco was their established starter.

 

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

This is repeated a lot here and it's false

 

McDermott took over a .500 team. They weren't a 'complete crap show'. He managed exactly one more win in his first three seasons than than Marrone/Ryan had in their proceeding three. Then Allen went supernova and here we are

 

Also I see you trying to give McDermott and not Beane credit for drafting Allen😂😂

 

The 2017 Bills weren't as bad as the 2008-2012 teams, but they were well below average in quality, especially on offense.  They had  Tyrod Taylor as their QB, their best OLer was rookie Dion Dawkins, their best defensive players were rookie Tre White and long-suffering veteran DT Kyle Williams.

 

Beane and McDermott are called "McBeane" because their relationship is collaborative not adversarial.  

 

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

One black mark on both of them, Beane and McD, is the roster itself. You look at the first rebuild and it’s beating the current one by a landslide. We had a better roster in 2019-2022. We are regressing. If you compare position by position it’s clear as day. Especially WR and DB.

 

The Bills offensive line is significantly better in 2025 than it was between 2019 and 2022.  So is the RB group.  The defense added young talent and some older but hopefully still useful FAs in 2025.  You're still miffed that the Bills didn't add a big name WR in FA or in the draft.

[twoandfourteen]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

you could say the same about those Brady's patriots. 

 

You mean the team with multiple Super Bowl rings… multiple Super Bowl appearances… and multiple future first-ballot Hall of Famers… and one of the greatest Head Coaches to ever walk an NFL sideline?

 

The McDermott-and-Beane-era Bills have exactly NONE of those things. 

Edited August 11 by twoandfourteen

[Royale with Cheese]

6 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

They are favored because of Josh Allen. End of story.

 

The guy is a supernova at the position. 

 

Outside of QB, this is a 5 win roster — at best. 

Interesting.  Our 2017 roster with Tyrod Taylor is better than it is now.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

You mean the team with multiple Super Bowl rings… multiple Super Bowl appearances… and multiple future first-ballot Hall of Famers… and one of the greatest Head Coaches to ever walk an NFL sideline?

 

The McDermott-and-Beane-era Bills have exactly NONE of those things. 

 

This wasn't your argument lol.

6 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

The roster in 2020 is still unequivocally better. You can’t possibly make any direct argument against that statement. Which is why you didn’t. 

 

This wasn't your argument either lol.

[thenorthremembers]

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

This is repeated a lot here and it's false

 

McDermott took over a .500 team. They weren't a 'complete crap show'. He managed exactly one more win in his first three seasons than than Marrone/Ryan had in their proceeding three. Then Allen went supernova and here we are

 

Also I see you trying to give McDermott and not Beane credit for drafting Allen😂😂

 

Youre telling me a team that hadnt made the playoffs in 17 years wasnt a complete crap show?   And as far as the credit for drafting Allen I wasnt leaving Beane out, the entire organization gets credit for it.  That said, does Allen go "supernova" with Hue Jackson as his coach?

[Gregg]

On 8/8/2025 at 2:09 PM, khlax3 said:

Every time one of these threads pops up its is so stupid. HE IS NOT GOING TO BE FIRED. Not happening

Just some of the reasons:

-The bills have had their most successful run in 30 years. 

-The culture he established

-Players trust and like him

-He has a good relationship with the coach/GM

-who could you hire that is proven they are better. 
 

Firing McDermott would be like the eagles firing Andy Reid. 
 

McDermott = Mike Tomlin as long as he wins consistently and doesn’t lose the locker room he will be the coach of the bills

 

 

 

The Eagles did fire Reid and then won a Super Bowl. McDermott isn't getting fired because Pegula likes having him as his HC and the same goes for Beane as his GM. Terry's opinion is the only one that counts and that is the reality of it. Personally, I want Bill to coach the Bills. When he has had a franchise level QB his record speaks for itself. He is also a much a better DC than Sean and defense has been the main reason the Bills haven't been to a Super Bowl. Plus, he manages the game better as a HC than Sean does. But my opinion means nothing just like every other Bills fan. 

[BobbyC81]

Until my last breath I will never understand what happened and be pissed about’13 seconds’.

 

i just don’t get how you call a timeout before the last play and then allow Kelce to run freely between 2 defenders.

 

In my opinion, McD should’ve been fired for that but instead Frazier was the sacrificial lamb.

[Billsatlastin2018]

17 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

Until my last breath I will never understand what happened and be pissed about’13 seconds’.

 

i just don’t get how you call a timeout before the last play and then allow Kelce to run freely between 2 defenders.

 

In my opinion, McD should’ve been fired for that but instead Frazier was the sacrificial lamb.

 

100% agreed! Most idiotic decision making in NFL history next to Pete Carroll not running the Beast! Beginning with the FUBARED pooch kick on the KO! The ONLY goal there was to eat time.

 

INEXCUSABLY STUPID!

 

However, McD is now #53 in Head Coaching Wins and he’ll be in the Top 30 in 4 if Allen is still going strong.

[Augie]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The roster is regressing when we are favored to win all 17 games?  

We weren’t favored to win all 17 last year and we regressed? 
 

Our current over under is 11.5 wins compared to 10 last year at this time.

DraftKings has us favored to win the Super Bowl and second in the others.  We were what 5th/6th last year?

 

Regressed?

 

Oh, you and those silly facts! Where is your outrage? Get with the program! 

 

It should be even harder to build a roster now, we are always drafting around #30 in each round. That is not the sign of a lousy team. 

 

 

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Edited August 11 by Augie

[RoscoeParrish]

8 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

The roster in 2020 is still unequivocally better. You can’t possibly make any direct argument against that statement. Which is why you didn’t. 

The 2021 roster was the most stacked Bills team in the Josh Allen era imo.

 

The OL took a step back in 21 compared to 20, but the rest of the teams’ talent was undeniable imo.

[Gregg]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The roster is regressing when we are favored to win all 17 games?  

We weren’t favored to win all 17 last year and we regressed? 
 

Our current over under is 11.5 wins compared to 10 last year at this time.

DraftKings has us favored to win the Super Bowl and second in the others.  We were what 5th/6th last year?

 

Regressed?

 

The Bills will be contenders to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, but I honestly don't see how they can be the favored. I think the Ravens have one of the best if not the best roster in football. Jackson is one hell of a QB who is right up there with Allen and Mahomes. Then there is KC. It's probably more mental at this point but until the Bills actually beat KC in a big spot (playoffs) then you can't have them favored to do so until they actually do it. If I were to a make a Super Bowl pick for this year, I would say it will be the Ravens vs Lions assuming injuries don't hurt their season.

[Mikie2times]

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

The Bills offensive line is significantly better in 2025 than it was between 2019 and 2022.  So is the RB group.  The defense added young talent and some older but hopefully still useful FAs in 2025.  You're still miffed that the Bills didn't add a big name WR in FA or in the draft.

 

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This wasn't your argument lol.

 

This wasn't your argument either lol.

This is exactly what I said

 

"One black mark on both of them, Beane and McD, is the roster itself. You look at the first rebuild and it’s beating the current one by a landslide. We had a better roster in 2019-2022. We are regressing. If you compare position by position it’s clear as day. Especially WR and DB"

 

The offensive line is better, so is the RB positions. The DB's and WR's are signifgantly worse. Which are the two of the three most coveted positions in the NFL based on where teams select them in the NFL draft. The DB's are a downright liability. Which is probably why those old teams could perform on 3rd down. So to your point, will we still do well? Sure. Allen will basically guarantee that. But what does it matter in evaluating the trajectory or top end of this team? They're good enough to win 12-13 games. Can you imagine if they had the tools from the past? You will see all of this on full display week 1.  Brady's system is better for Josh and the offense so much so that it makes up for the issues at WR, but the defense will remain a serious liability and needs a ton of + factors coming together for that to change. 

Edited August 11 by Mikie2times

[Buffalo Boy]

12 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Tomlin took a team that had already won a Super Bowl three years earlier back to the Super Bowl and won.    Since then he's missed the playoffs 6 of 16 years.   McDermott has missed the playoffs 1 time in 8 years and everyone thinks he is a failure.    McDermott has had his fair share of bad moments in his time here.  That said, Allen and the offense had over 3 minutes left to either win or tie a game during the AFC Title game last year and didnt do it.   A lot of elite QBs make that happen.   Why didnt he make the line adjust to protect against the blitz?  The failures of this team have been just that team failures.    Mike Tomlin took over a very good team with a future hall of fame QB.  McDermott took over a complete crap show and brought a future hall of fame QB here.   He deserves a lot more credit than he gets. 

You are what your record says you are:

Very good bit not good enough= Schottenheimer 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

 

This is exactly what I said

 

"One black mark on both of them, Beane and McD, is the roster itself. You look at the first rebuild and it’s beating the current one by a landslide. We had a better roster in 2019-2022. We are regressing. If you compare position by position it’s clear as day. Especially WR and DB"

 

The offensive line is better, so is the RB positions. The DB's and WR's are signifgantly worse. Which are the two of the three most coveted positions in the NFL based on where teams select them in the NFL draft. The DB's are a downright liability. Which is probably why those old teams could perform on 3rd down. So to your point, will we still do well? Sure. Allen will basically guarantee that. But what does it matter in evaluating the trajectory or top end of this team? They're good enough to win 12-13 games. Can you imagine if they had the tools from the past? You will see all of this on full display week 1.  Brady's system is better for Josh and the offense so much so that it makes up for the issues at WR, but the defense will remain a serious liability and needs a ton of + factors coming together for that to change. 

 

So its clear as day that are WR have regressed since last year?  Because I think they have improved, hence, they progressed since last year.

 

BTW, we finished 19th in 2020 in 3rd down defense given up 41.6%. Last year was 44.54% given up.  Both are/were bad.

Last year we were at 21.6 ppg, 23.4 in 2020.  

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct?date=2021-02-08

 

Allen was our QB in 2019-2022, so was McDermott, so they did have the tools.

 

Good enough to win 12-13 games but they regressed lol.  Coming off a year in which we broke a franchise record for most points and they have regressed every year since 2019....

You're are trying too hard.

 

You know who doesn't have a good roster?  The Bengals which is why they have missed the playoffs 2 straight seasons.

Burrow threw 43 TD's to 9 INT's and STILL didn't make the playoffs.

Before you bring up that he was hurt twice....well they were 5-5 before he went down in 2023.

The Bengals are 14-13 in Burrows last two seasons.  

 

Top 2 in every betting line to win the Super Bowl and we have been regressing lol.  Make it make sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 11 by Royale with Cheese

[Buffalo Boy]

8 hours ago, ganesh said:

you could say the same about those Brady's patriots. 

But the had Billy B🤷‍♂️