Brandon Beane "might be the most sensitive GM in the entire NFL"?

[4merper4mer]

21 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

you're fixed on how many teams passed on this or that player as though every team has exactly the same needs.  

 

You are the only person alive who would agree that Tre White would have had a bigger impact than TJ Watt.  This is just laughable.  Watt is a wrecker, disrupter.  White was a good DB for 4 years---ending 4  years ago.  The cut him loose after his achilles (his second career threatening injury)....only to bizarrely sign him years later after 2 mediocre/dud years on 2 teams, having played only 21 games since 2021.  I'll leave it to you to revisit Watt's stats. 

 

Huh?

 

Whaley was fired a day after the 2017 draft.  Not sure what you are getting at.  

 

I agree that Mahomes probably doesn't win a single SB with McD as HC in Buffalo.  

Pats troll logic:

 

1.Speak with arrogance, and as an arbiter of facts.

2. Demonstrate you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about by saying things like “White had 2 dud years on two different teams” when he was actually only gone for one year.

3. ???????

4. Profit

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

no one would equate Brady coming out of college with Mahomes.  You just did I think.. 

who knows what he would have done in Buffalo???  lol wtf

Mahomes wasn't a consensus number one overall pick either 

 

Hence why nine teams passed on him

 

 he also got to sit on the bench behind a pro bowl caliber quarterback and correct some flaws from the sideline which is always the correct way to bring along a quarterback if you can

Edited yesterday at 06:38 PM by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

Revisited this thread and what do I see.  @Mr. WEO in 4 separate arguments.  

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Meaning would he have made a difference in getting to, much less winning, a SB.  

 

Infinitely more likely than any CB alive, let alone White.

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Mahomes wasn't a consensus number one overall pick either 

 

Hence why nine teams passed on him

 

 he also got to sit on the bench behind a pro bowl caliber quarterback and correct some flaws from the sideline which is always the correct way to bring along a quarterback if you can

 

no one is arguing he was "a consensus #1 pick", so you can holster that straw man.

 

 

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Revisited this thread and what do I see.  @Mr. WEO in 4 separate arguments.  

 

swatting flies.....lol.

[BADOLBILZ]

On 7/2/2025 at 3:06 PM, Mat68 said:

Yes, Mahomes is great.  Using the capital gained from that trade was used to get Allen.  

 

No.   Totally incorrect.

 

The capital gained in the Mahomes-pick trade yielded Tre White and the Chiefs 2018 1st rounder that they then traded UP from to select Tremaine Edmunds.  

 

That cost an additional second rounder.

 

So they didn't even get Tre White and Tremaine Edmunds for Mahomes........let alone Allen.

 

None of the Mahomes trade capital was used to get Allen.

 

Edited yesterday at 09:42 PM by BADOLBILZ

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Mahomes wasn't a consensus number one overall pick either 

 

Hence why nine teams passed on him

 

 he also got to sit on the bench behind a pro bowl caliber quarterback and correct some flaws from the sideline which is always the correct way to bring along a quarterback if you can

 

 

The biggest crime was trading the pick to an AFC rival when they themselves needed a QB.

 

Utter stupidity.   The Chiefs were a team they were literally battling with for a final playoff spot for the Marrone/Rex era.

 

Getting Josh Allen in the next draft is probably the closest thing US pro sports has seen in prior recent memory to the Dallas Mavericks Nico Harrison lucking out and getting Cooper Flagg after stupidly trading away Luka Doncic.

 

It was a huge save and though it was lucky to get the most talented QB at #7 overall........a guy who would have gone #1 overall in a lot of prior drafts on tools alone........Beane deserves credit for doing the common sense thing and actually going all-in on a QB prospect.

 

By that I mean selecting a QB with their first #1 pick in the draft or trading up from that pick to do so.   Something, astonishingly, that the Ralph Wilson era Bills never did.

 

But because they traded Mahomes to the Chiefs they created their biggest road block to ever reaching a SB with Allen.   It's certainly cost them 2-4 trips already.   Just a brutal reminder of how important first steps can sometimes be.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The biggest crime was trading the pick to an AFC rival when they themselves needed a QB.

 

Utter stupidity.   The Chiefs were a team they were literally battling with for a final playoff spot for the Marrone/Rex era.

 

Getting Josh Allen in the next draft is probably the closest thing US pro sports has seen in prior recent memory to the Dallas Mavericks Nico Harrison lucking out and getting Cooper Flagg after stupidly trading away Luka Doncic.

 

It was a huge save and though it was lucky to get the most talented QB at #7 overall........a guy who would have gone #1 overall in a lot of prior drafts on tools alone........Beane deserves credit for doing the common sense thing and actually going all-in on a QB prospect.

 

By that I mean selecting a QB with their first #1 pick in the draft or trading up from that pick to do so.   Something, astonishingly, that the Ralph Wilson era Bills never did.

 

But because they traded Mahomes to the Chiefs they created their biggest road block to ever reaching a SB with Allen.   It's certainly cost them 2-4 trips already.   Just a brutal reminder of how important first steps can sometimes be.

 

 

You're a bit too harsh imo when it comes to the Mahomes trade.  I don't exactly think McDermott had the Chiefs circled as a rivalry to get that final WC spot.  He just took over and knew he had to rebuild the team in his image and provide a certain "culture" (as corny as it sounds) to what was a clown organization at that point.  I don't blame him for getting that extra first in 2018 and want to at least attempt to build a foundation before drafting a rookie QB.  Nabbing Tre White at that spot in the draft was a hit.  If Mahomes was such a sure prospect he wouldn't have fallen to where he did.  Common group think at the time was the 2018 QB class was going to be superior to 2017's class.

 

Beane was luckily at his best his first year here.  Getting a 2nd for Watkins.  Trading Glenn to move up in the first round.  Getting Allen without having to give up a 1st.  Somehow trading Tyrod for the first pick in the 3rd round.  He did botch the bridge QB horrifically with the infamous Peterman/McCarron preseason battle.  

Edited 23 hours ago by Doc Brown

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Pats troll logic:

 

1.Speak with arrogance, and as an arbiter of facts.

2. Demonstrate you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about by saying things like “White had 2 dud years on two different teams” when he was actually only gone for one year.

3. ???????

4. Profit

 

I stand corrected: 2 dud years on 3 different teams--thanks man!

[4merper4mer]

11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I stand corrected: 2 dud years on 3 different teams--thanks man!

Such honest self reflection.

[Billy Claude]

I don't want to butt in on the pleasant back and forth but I really don't remember much criticism of the trade when it happened.  I am sure someone can dig up something critical but l think that 99% of reviews of the trade that it was a understable move for the Bills and that it was a reasonable risk to take for the Chiefs. 

 

As for teams passing up on Mahomes,  at half of them desperately needed a QB immediately (Browns, Bears, 49ers, Jets) and others teams could have done what the Chiefs did and red-shirted Mahomes a behind a declining starter (Chargers,  Panthers,  Bengals).  The Browns and Panthers could be excused for picking Garrett and McCafferty but otherwise those other teams did much worse than the Bills.  The other two teams also needed QBs but were not ready to give up on recent high draft choices (Titans, Jaguars).

 

The trade by the Bills turned out to be a bad move in hindsight but in no way was it regarded as a ridiculous move at the time. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

18 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

You're a bit too harsh imo when it comes to the Mahomes trade.  I don't exactly think McDermott had the Chiefs circled as a rivalry to get that final WC spot.  He just took over and knew he had to rebuild the team in his image and provide a certain "culture" (as corny as it sounds) to what was a clown organization at that point.  I don't blame him for getting that extra first in 2018 and want to at least attempt to build a foundation before drafting a rookie QB.  Nabbing Tre White at that spot in the draft was a hit.  If Mahomes was such a sure prospect he wouldn't have fallen to where he did.  Common group think at the time was the 2018 QB class was going to be superior to 2017's class.

 

Beane was luckily at his best his first year here.  Getting a 2nd for Watkins.  Trading Glenn to move up in the first round.  Getting Allen without having to give up a 1st.  Somehow trading Tyrod for the first pick in the 3rd round.  He did botch the bridge QB horrifically with the infamous Peterman/McCarron preseason battle.  

 

I disagree with much of what you said here.

 

I suppose if you didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was prior to that draft season you can forgive their stupidity.    But there was a Mahomes train that had been rolling on TSW since around June of 2016.   @thebandit27 was the leader but I was all on board........as I always was with them finally just standing pat or trading up from their first pick to select the best QB on the board.   And I was not in on Watson at all.  @GunnerBill was a big Watson fan and if DeShaun's personal life hadn't undone him he likely remains elite as well, IMO.   But it was Mahomes or bust for me at that point.   So to pass on him and give him to the Chiefs was just idiotic and exasperating.   And I always felt that he did his buddy Andy Reid a solid even though he should have been more cautious about helping a team in conference,  whether he viewed them as a rival or not.   

 

The argument that Mahomes wasn't a "sure prospect" so the Bills should be excused for passing on him then just ENTIRELY discredits what the Bills did selecting not "sure prospects" Josh Allen 7th or the Ravens did selecting not "sure prospect" Lamar Jackson 32nd.    

 

It's not a valid defense unless you want to give the Bills no credit for their Josh Allen decision.

 

And no,  Beane was not at his best in his first year.   The 2018 free agent class he signed was his worst.   $100M for next to nothing.   It basically caused the cap woes they suffer from today.   It created the Bills need to push cap debt into the future at one of the highest levels in the league.   Beane's pro personnel work was mostly bad that first 12 months.   The Josh Allen pick was the best draft pick in Bills history, IMO.   But would I have preferred to have that 1st and 2nd round pick used on something other than Tremaine Edmunds in hindsight?   Hell yes.   I could go on but you're just wrong about him being at his best.   His first year on the job was largely a real on-the-job struggle story aside from Allen.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I disagree with much of what you said here.

 

I suppose if you didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was prior to that draft season you can forgive their stupidity.    But there was a Mahomes train that had been rolling on TSW since around June of 2016.   @thebandit27 was the leader but I was all on board........as I always was with them finally just standing pat or trading up from their first pick to select the best QB on the board.   And I was not in on Watson at all.  @GunnerBill was a big Watson fan and if DeShaun's personal life hadn't undone him he likely remains elite as well, IMO.   But it was Mahomes or bust for me at that point.   So to pass on him and give him to the Chiefs was just idiotic and exasperating.   And I always felt that he did his buddy Andy Reid a solid even though he should have been more cautious about helping a team in conference,  whether he viewed them as a rival or not.   

 

The argument that Mahomes wasn't a "sure prospect" so the Bills should be excused for passing on him then just ENTIRELY discredits what the Bills did selecting not "sure prospects" Josh Allen 7th or the Ravens did selecting not "sure prospect" Lamar Jackson 32nd.    

 

It's not a valid defense unless you want to give the Bills no credit for their Josh Allen decision.

 

And no,  Beane was not at his best in his first year.   The 2018 free agent class he signed was his worst.   $100M for next to nothing.   It basically caused the cap woes they suffer from today.   It created the Bills need to push cap debt into the future at one of the highest levels in the league.   Beane's pro personnel work was mostly bad that first 12 months.   The Josh Allen pick was the best draft pick in Bills history, IMO.   But would I have preferred to have that 1st and 2nd round pick used on something other than Tremaine Edmunds in hindsight?   Hell yes.   I could go on but you're just wrong about him being at his best.   His first year on the job was largely a real on-the-job struggle story aside from Allen.

 

Beane himself described his 2018 roster build (particularly offense) as "a horrible job" in the end of season presser

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I disagree with much of what you said here.

 

I suppose if you didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was prior to that draft season you can forgive their stupidity.    But there was a Mahomes train that had been rolling on TSW since around June of 2016.   @thebandit27 was the leader but I was all on board........as I always was with them finally just standing pat or trading up from their first pick to select the best QB on the board.   And I was not in on Watson at all.  @GunnerBill was a big Watson fan and if DeShaun's personal life hadn't undone him he likely remains elite as well, IMO.   But it was Mahomes or bust for me at that point.   So to pass on him and give him to the Chiefs was just idiotic and exasperating.   And I always felt that he did his buddy Andy Reid a solid even though he should have been more cautious about helping a team in conference,  whether he viewed them as a rival or not.   

 

The argument that Mahomes wasn't a "sure prospect" so the Bills should be excused for passing on him then just ENTIRELY discredits what the Bills did selecting not "sure prospects" Josh Allen 7th or the Ravens did selecting not "sure prospect" Lamar Jackson 32nd.    

 

It's not a valid defense unless you want to give the Bills no credit for their Josh Allen decision.

 

And no,  Beane was not at his best in his first year.   The 2018 free agent class he signed was his worst.   $100M for next to nothing.   It basically caused the cap woes they suffer from today.   It created the Bills need to push cap debt into the future at one of the highest levels in the league.   Beane's pro personnel work was mostly bad that first 12 months.   The Josh Allen pick was the best draft pick in Bills history, IMO.   But would I have preferred to have that 1st and 2nd round pick used on something other than Tremaine Edmunds in hindsight?   Hell yes.   I could go on but you're just wrong about him being at his best.   His first year on the job was largely a real on-the-job struggle story aside from Allen.

Any Trubisky truthers at the time?  You'd have to be equally critical of every other team in the league who either passed on him or didn't trade up for him unless they already had an elite QB on the roster.  I was still on the old board at that point but I'll take your word for being on the Mahomes train.  What really spins my head is if the Bills did select Mahomes and then fired Whaley it would be even weirder than when he was actually fired.  If Beane was GM when McDermott was hired, would he have showed the same aggressiveness in getting Mahomes that he did in getting Allen?

 

I think just moving up to draft Allen by default makes it his best year as GM here.  There wasn't any other off-season that stood out to me as just a stellar job across the board.   Getting a 2nd for Watkins (not popular with the fan base), a 3rd for Tyrod, and  trading Glenn to move from #21 to #12 in the draft were all good moves considering McDermott just had to get the luckiest 9-7 record of all time in 2017 so we needed as much ammo as possible to trade up for a QB.  No disagreement with the awfulness of the free agency draft class though.  I struggle with the Edmunds pick because I loved the prospect but I hate moving up in the first round for anybody but a QB.