Josh Allen in the NFL Hall of Fame

[PonyBoy]

On 6/20/2025 at 4:14 PM, mjt328 said:

 

Disagree.

He can make it based on statistics alone. 

And right now, Josh Allen is well on pace (barring injury) to shatter every dual-threat QB record on the books.

 

For his first 7 seasons in the NFL, Allen is currently:

- 1st all-time in total yards

- 1st all-time in total touchdowns

- 1st all-time in total wins

 

Over 13 playoff games, he is also:

- 1st all-time in postseason yards per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdowns per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdown/INT ratio

 

Looking strictly at the Bills history, Allen is only a couple seasons away from breaking every Bills passing record currently held by Hall of Famer Jim Kelly.  He's already passed HOF running back OJ Simpson in rushing touchdowns, and will pass HOF running back Thurman Thomas next year.  He's currently #5 in rushing yards all-time for the team, and (believe it or not) it's actually possible for him to become #1 in that stat too.  Has any QB ever broken the yardage AND touchdown records for their team in BOTH passing and rushing?

 

Currently, Allen has 262 total touchdowns in his career.  He's already over half-way to being Top 5 in the history of the NFL.  Meaning 7 more seasons at the same pace, and he's right there.  Now, I'm not sure if he will ever catch Tom Brady (677 total), but everyone else on that list (Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre) can potentially be passed if Allen can keep playing into into his late 30s at a high level.  Seven more seasons makes him only 36, and some QBs are now playing well into their early 40s.

 

At the current pace, he's also half-way to being Top 10 all-time in passing touchdowns (#9 or #10 depending on how long Matthew Stafford plays).  It's totally conceivable for him to land right around the Top 5 on this list as well.

 

And the clincher... Allen is also half-way to being #3 all-time in RUSHING touchdowns (he will likely pass Cam Newton at the QB position either this year or next).  Again, not sure he can quite catch Emmitt Smith at 164.  But he could pass everyone else on that list, including LaDainian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown.

 

 

Nice research!

As I have said before, that's why I love this board! Fan...atics! 

[Charles Romes]

He’s in already based on being the first ever to go 40+ five straight years. It’s analogous to TT leading the league in total yards from scrimmage 4 straight years. 

[ColoradoBills]

19 hours ago, FireChans said:

Josh Allen hasn’t played that many though.

 

Lamar is in if he retired tomorrow. I don’t think Josh is.

 

 

[FireChans]

On 6/20/2025 at 6:14 PM, mjt328 said:

 

Disagree.

He can make it based on statistics alone. 

And right now, Josh Allen is well on pace (barring injury) to shatter every dual-threat QB record on the books.

 

For his first 7 seasons in the NFL, Allen is currently:

- 1st all-time in total yards

- 1st all-time in total touchdowns

- 1st all-time in total wins

 

Over 13 playoff games, he is also:

- 1st all-time in postseason yards per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdowns per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdown/INT ratio

 

Looking strictly at the Bills history, Allen is only a couple seasons away from breaking every Bills passing record currently held by Hall of Famer Jim Kelly.  He's already passed HOF running back OJ Simpson in rushing touchdowns, and will pass HOF running back Thurman Thomas next year.  He's currently #5 in rushing yards all-time for the team, and (believe it or not) it's actually possible for him to become #1 in that stat too.  Has any QB ever broken the yardage AND touchdown records for their team in BOTH passing and rushing?

 

Currently, Allen has 262 total touchdowns in his career.  He's already over half-way to being Top 5 in the history of the NFL.  Meaning 7 more seasons at the same pace, and he's right there.  Now, I'm not sure if he will ever catch Tom Brady (677 total), but everyone else on that list (Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre) can potentially be passed if Allen can keep playing into into his late 30s at a high level.  Seven more seasons makes him only 36, and some QBs are now playing well into their early 40s.

 

At the current pace, he's also half-way to being Top 10 all-time in passing touchdowns (#9 or #10 depending on how long Matthew Stafford plays).  It's totally conceivable for him to land right around the Top 5 on this list as well.

 

And the clincher... Allen is also half-way to being #3 all-time in RUSHING touchdowns (he will likely pass Cam Newton at the QB position either this year or next).  Again, not sure he can quite catch Emmitt Smith at 164.  But he could pass everyone else on that list, including LaDainian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown.

 

Do you earnestly believe Josh will be getting 12-15 rushing TDs a season at 35 or 36 years old?

[LarryMadman]

On 6/21/2025 at 12:28 PM, FireChans said:

I feel like playoff wins and “some of the best playoff stats” end up lost in HoF talk.

 

keep in mind, I’m not saying this is my criteria but the actual criteria.

 

Based on the most recent QBs, the thing that matters most is hardware. AP, MVP, SBMVP, ProBowls.

 

The next is career records, aka TDs, yards, wins, etc etc.

 

Then everything else.

 

Rivers has the longevity and very good numbers but lacks hardware. He is one of the very good numbers but never an All Pro, never an MVP, never won his conference.

 

There’s just such a glut of QBs upcoming.

 

The QBs in the HoF mix over the next decade are:

 

Brady

Brees

Ben

Rodgers

Rivers

Ryan

Eli

 

The first 4 are locks and the next 3 are not. I would be extremely surprised if all 7 are inducted and would not be surprised if Rivers and Ryan are snubbed.

 

And Josh Allen’s resume today is closer to the latter 3 than the first 4. He would not be a Hall of Famer today if he retired like Mahomes or even Lamar would be. IMO.

Why does Lamar get in and Josh doesnt?

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

Why does Lamar get in and Josh doesnt?

Because Lamar is a 2 time MVP and 3 time first team All Pro.

[st pete gogolak]

On 6/20/2025 at 5:26 PM, mushypeaches said:

He’s got to at least get to a SB.  No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria

Fouts never made it to a SB.

[JaCrispy]

On 6/20/2025 at 5:06 PM, tomur67 said:

Not counting a Super bowl victory, how much more would Josh have to accomplish to be elected to the Hall of Fame?

Even if he retired today, he should already be in the HOF…He is plastered all throughout the history books…👍

[ToGoGo]

On 6/20/2025 at 6:14 PM, mjt328 said:

 

Disagree.

He can make it based on statistics alone. 

And right now, Josh Allen is well on pace (barring injury) to shatter every dual-threat QB record on the books.

 

For his first 7 seasons in the NFL, Allen is currently:

- 1st all-time in total yards

- 1st all-time in total touchdowns

- 1st all-time in total wins

 

Over 13 playoff games, he is also:

- 1st all-time in postseason yards per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdowns per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdown/INT ratio

 

Looking strictly at the Bills history, Allen is only a couple seasons away from breaking every Bills passing record currently held by Hall of Famer Jim Kelly.  He's already passed HOF running back OJ Simpson in rushing touchdowns, and will pass HOF running back Thurman Thomas next year.  He's currently #5 in rushing yards all-time for the team, and (believe it or not) it's actually possible for him to become #1 in that stat too.  Has any QB ever broken the yardage AND touchdown records for their team in BOTH passing and rushing?

 

Currently, Allen has 262 total touchdowns in his career.  He's already over half-way to being Top 5 in the history of the NFL.  Meaning 7 more seasons at the same pace, and he's right there.  Now, I'm not sure if he will ever catch Tom Brady (677 total), but everyone else on that list (Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre) can potentially be passed if Allen can keep playing into into his late 30s at a high level.  Seven more seasons makes him only 36, and some QBs are now playing well into their early 40s.

 

At the current pace, he's also half-way to being Top 10 all-time in passing touchdowns (#9 or #10 depending on how long Matthew Stafford plays).  It's totally conceivable for him to land right around the Top 5 on this list as well.

 

And the clincher... Allen is also half-way to being #3 all-time in RUSHING touchdowns (he will likely pass Cam Newton at the QB position either this year or next).  Again, not sure he can quite catch Emmitt Smith at 164.  But he could pass everyone else on that list, including LaDainian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown.

 

If the playoff games are truly tilted like everybody suspects, Josh Allen might be the greatest NFL player of all time. 

[Gregg]

16 hours ago, FireChans said:

Do you earnestly believe Josh will be getting 12-15 rushing TDs a season at 35 or 36 years old?

 

I think his career will go similar to Elway's. Different game back then and Elway didn't run for TDs like Allen does. But during his era Elway was a QB who was known to run if he had to extend the play or avoid the rush. But as he got older, he was basically a pocket passer at that point in his career. Of course, it didn't hurt that he had Davis to hand the ball off too. I expect Allen will run less and less as the years go by. Just like Elway did.

[jaybills]

On 6/20/2025 at 4:26 PM, mushypeaches said:

He’s got to at least get to a SB.  No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria

He throws up 60,000 yards and the fact that he will have the most tds (pass/rush) since he came into the league....1st ballot. SB are BS. Who cares. 

[Gregg]

Just now, jaybills said:

He throws up 60,000 yards and the fact that he will have the most tds (pass/rush) since he came into the league....1st ballot. SB are BS. Who cares. 

 

SBs are not BS. That is the whole purpose for every team/fanbase in the NFL. If Allen never gets to Super Bowl, it won't change the fact that his career will end up in Canton when it's all said and done. 

[jaybills]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

SBs are not BS. That is the whole purpose for every team/fanbase in the NFL. If Allen never gets to Super Bowl, it won't change the fact that his career will end up in Canton when it's all said and done. 

That's what I'm stating as I hate that a team award matters for individual ones. SBs aren't BS for fans, organization, and Allen for that matter but shouldn't weigh in on overall Hall of Fame resumé. I don't even think they list Wins in QB statistics, but still people make a bigger deal than it should be about it. 

 

Hall of Fame is simple....were you in the top 2 or 3 in your position in your era for a decade? That's the basics. 

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, jaybills said:

SB are BS. Who cares. 

One of the funniest things I’ve read on here. What’s the point of watching games and following the team if you really believe this.

 

Allen will end up in the hof. You can make that case without making such an outrageous statement about SBs. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, jaybills said:

Hall of Fame is simple....were you in the top 2 or 3 in your position in your era for a decade? That's the basics. 

Jim Kelly better send back his jacket. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 6/20/2025 at 4:39 PM, Rubes said:

Would Dan Marino still have made it to the HOF if he didn't make it to that one Super Bowl at the beginning of his career?

 

Dan Mariano’s 1984 season was one of the best, if not the best by a QB of all time period.  (Other than not winning the SB)

Over 5,000 yards passing w 48 TD passes I believe.  That was sick for that era.  Duper and Clayton, good grief.  The game was played so differently back then.  So much more physical in every aspect.  And Marino just tore it up.  And then the win over the Bears in the famous MNF game the next season in 1985. 
 

And Marino could just throw a football like no one else w that release.  
 

Nowadays the QB’s are all scouted on “athleticism”.  Not so much arm strength, release and mechanics.  And you get clowns like Anthony Richardson being drafted in the top 5.  lol.  He would not have even played QB in 1984.  And he still likely won’t and shouldn’t now.  
 

As for Josh, he is definitely going to the HOF.  His coaching has been mediocre at best on the Bills.  If he doesn’t win a Super  Bowl, it will not be his fault.  
 

For a lot of guys, getting in the HOF is somewhat subjective.  I was always a big Phillip Rivers fan.  And would vote him in.  Great leader.  Thought he was better than Eli Manning.  Russell Wilson had some game.  But I don’t think he is HOF worthy.  Some may disagree w me on Rivers Manning and Wilson. 
 

But Josh is not a maybe.  He will be a lock.  

[Gregg]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-all-time-top-10-quarterbacks-josh-allen-jim-kelly-debate-continues/ar-AA1Hf65E?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[Billl]

17 minutes ago, Gregg said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-all-time-top-10-quarterbacks-josh-allen-jim-kelly-debate-continues/ar-AA1Hf65E?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Was there ever a year under Kelly when the Bills were arguably the best team in the AFC but didn’t make the Super Bowl or at least the AFCCG?

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

One of the funniest things I’ve read on here. What’s the point of watching games and following the team if you really believe this.

 

 

I want to win a SB, but its entertainment first and foremost

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Dan Mariano’s 1984 season was one of the best, if not the best by a QB of all time period.  (Other than not winning the SB)

Over 5,000 yards passing w 48 TD passes I believe.  That was sick for that era.  Duper and Clayton, good grief.  The game was played so differently back then.  So much more physical in every aspect.  And Marino just tore it up.  And then the win over the Bears in the famous MNF game the next season in 1985. 
 

And Marino could just throw a football like no one else w that release.  
 

Nowadays the QB’s are all scouted on “athleticism”.  Not so much arm strength, release and mechanics.  And you get clowns like Anthony Richardson being drafted in the top 5.  lol.  He would not have even played QB in 1984.  And he still likely won’t and shouldn’t now.  
 

As for Josh, he is definitely going to the HOF.  His coaching has been mediocre at best on the Bills.  If he doesn’t win a Super  Bowl, it will not be his fault.  
 

For a lot of guys, getting in the HOF is somewhat subjective.  I was always a big Phillip Rivers fan.  And would vote him in.  Great leader.  Thought he was better than Eli Manning.  Russell Wilson had some game.  But I don’t think he is HOF worthy.  Some may disagree w me on Rivers Manning and Wilson. 
 

But Josh is not a maybe.  He will be a lock.  

Other guys too who have never made a playoff game are locks. Like Joe Thomas, part of a 1-15 and 0-16 team will absolutely be in the HOF. But Russel wilson, who was a perennial playoff QB and won a SB, I'm not sure he was even the best player on his team. Rivers never made one, but he was a fantastic QB for a long time and took the Chargers to the playoffs with multiple HCs. He tore his ACL a week before the AFCG and played in the game. I always thought he was better than Eli