Los Angeles under military attack

[Doc Brown]

20 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Immigration is a big issue here, not just because of the liberal politics, because the boarder to Mexico, climate, and legal diversity in the region. The Midwest where I spent most life might as well be a different world compared to Southern California. 
 

The people out here are certainly used to immigrants. I’m sure some want the boarder closed and some don’t really care. Hell, in the San Diego area you meet a ton of conservatives. But still, you see these people. The boarder is an hour from here. A lot of illegals have legal family members and friends, etc. This is a highly emotional subject. Legal or not we are talking about separating family’s. To think deportations in this region were not going to be met with some degree of resistance is unlikely.

Now had this been a conservative state under different terms, do people think Trump would have basically ignored the governors request? It seems a bit unprecedented to do so or not work with local and state authorities when this occurs. Was this truly a situation that could

no longer be handled at the local level? I doubt it, a few photos and stories of violence doesn’t make that the case either. It was a chance to exert influence in a liberal stronghold.  Hope to embarrass local and state authorities.
 

Meanwhile people are the chess pieces here. Easy to forget when photos of a couple of the ***** bags in the mix lead the headlines. 

I know you hate Twitter posts on here but I think this one is relevant.  This is something a child tweets with the stupid nickname and quotations.  I don't ever remember there being a Federal emergency where the governor and the president at least pretend to be on the same page.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I know you hate Twitter posts on here but I think this one is relevant.  This is something a child tweets with the stupid nickname and quotations.  I don't ever remember there being a Federal emergency where the governor and the president at least pretend to be on the same page.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

haha...I'm against spam. I don't consider selective posts to be spam. 

 

I have been mostly democratic in my life time, but the democratic party doesn't really stand for my views.  I know I always hated the tea party. Which seems about as related to MAGA as any. But above all things, I know Donald Trump is the least presidential and least qualified president in American history. If he was your boss, every day of your life would be the worst day of your life and that's only up until the point you went out of business.  I hope something good can come from this long term. Maybe a 3rd political party, but that seems far fetched.

Edited 16 hours ago by Mikie2times

[K D]

Whatever the cause, Democrats turn violent and burn down cities like wild animals. It's time to classify them as what they are...a terrorist organization

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, K D said:

Whatever the cause, Democrats turn violent and burn down cities like wild animals. It's time to classify them as what they are...a terrorist organization

half the US population are terrorists and the other half goes to church every Sunday and has baby's on schedule.  

[Doc Brown]

14 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

haha...I'm against spam. I don't consider selective posts to be spam. 

 

I have been mostly democratic in my life time, but the democratic party doesn't really stand for my views.  I know I always hated the tea party. Which seems about as related to MAGA as any. But above all things, I know Donald Trump is the least presidential and least qualified president in American history. If he was your boss, every day of your life would be the worst day of your life and that's only up until the point you went out of business.  I hope something good can come from this long term. Maybe a 3rd political party, but that seems far fetched.

I voted for Trump because it's like choosing a McDonald's burger over a frozen Wal Mart burger but a third party has been talked about all my lifetime and never comes to fruition.  Let's also remember these same Republicans who are reveling every second of Trump exerting his right of the executive branch to deploy the National Guard have zilch to say when it comes to Congress not taking the power of the purse back with tariffs.

Edited 16 hours ago by Doc Brown

[Homelander]

 

[MiltonWaddams]

The Trump regime is good for a few things. One of the best things they do is provide distraction. Watch the right hand don’t look at the left one under the table.

[Westside]

6 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

The Trump regime is good for a few things. One of the best things they do is provide distraction. Watch the right hand don’t look at the left one under the table.

Says the guy who supported a brain dead candidate who was in no shape to lead anything. The leftists are masters at lying to the public.

[BillsFanNC]

7 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

The Trump regime is good for a few things. One of the best things they do is provide distraction. Watch the right hand don’t look at the left one under the table.

 

As opposed to Democrats where they give you the double barrel finger with both hands while straight up lying to your face.

 

 

[JDHillFan]

7 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

The Trump regime is good for a few things. One of the best things they do is provide distraction. Watch the right hand don’t look at the left one under the table.

We just came out of four years where nobody knows who was actually making the final decisions. You’re worried about distractions?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Immigration is a big issue here, not just because of the liberal politics, because the boarder to Mexico, climate, and legal diversity in the region. The Midwest where I spent most life might as well be a different world compared to Southern California. 
 

The people out here are certainly used to immigrants. I’m sure some want the boarder closed and some don’t really care. Hell, in the San Diego area you meet a ton of conservatives. But still, you see these people. The boarder is an hour from here. A lot of illegals have legal family members and friends, etc. This is a highly emotional subject. Legal or not we are talking about separating family’s. To think deportations in this region were not going to be met with some degree of resistance is unlikely.

From an emotional perspective, I understand and appreciate what you’re saying.  Individuals and families seeking a better way of life for themselves and their families is an age old story and an orderly and process-driven system for legal immigration is what every decent and reasonable person should hope for.  We haven’t had that, and people on both sides of the border have been victimized. 
 

“Legal or not” is where the problem begins, and separating families is pretty common in that situation.   As for resistance, if the standard response to emotional decisions is rioting and violence against law enforcement, the outcome would typically not be “Well, forget it, let’s just let it go.”.  The better alternative is compliance with laws and regulations.  

 

This situation has been decades in the making and the responsibility falls squarely on the politicians representing our country for the last several decades.  It’s exacerbated now by Democrat and liberal leaders who actively encourage defiance of our laws, regulations and sovereignty.  

 

9 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Now had this been a conservative state under different terms, do people think Trump would have basically ignored the governors request? It seems a bit unprecedented to do so or not work with local and state authorities when this occurs. Was this truly a situation that could

no longer be handled at the local level? I doubt it, a few photos and stories of violence doesn’t make that the case either. It was a chance to exert influence in a liberal stronghold.  Hope to embarrass local and state authorities.
 

Meanwhile people are the chess pieces here. Easy to forget when photos of a couple of the ***** bags in the mix lead the headlines. 

It seems from photos and videos that the local authorities are unable to handle the situation, which involves federal personnel on the ground being targeted with violence.  Politics plays a huge part in the response, and if reporting from the feds in this case is to be believed, it sounded as if LAPD would rather see federal law enforcement hurt/injured/killed than render assistance. 
 

Like the law, hate the regulation, hate enforcement…but the actions of individuals assaulting law enforcement officers, destroying private property, shutting down traffic and terrorizing neighborhoods is clearly a very dangerous situation.   Those responsible for violent intercession are playing chess as well. 

[SectionC3]

8 hours ago, K D said:

Whatever the cause, Democrats turn violent and burn down cities like wild animals. It's time to classify them as what they are...a terrorist organization

J6

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

From an emotional perspective, I understand and appreciate what you’re saying.  Individuals and families seeking a better way of life for themselves and their families is an age old story and an orderly and process-driven system for legal immigration is what every decent and reasonable person should hope for.  We haven’t had that, and people on both sides of the border have been victimized. 
 

“Legal or not” is where the problem begins, and separating families is pretty common in that situation.   As for resistance, if the standard response to emotional decisions is rioting and violence against law enforcement, the outcome would typically not be “Well, forget it, let’s just let it go.”.  The better alternative is compliance with laws and regulations.  

 

This situation has been decades in the making and the responsibility falls squarely on the politicians representing our country for the last several decades.  It’s exacerbated now by Democrat and liberal leaders who actively encourage defiance of our laws, regulations and sovereignty.  

 

It seems from photos and videos that the local authorities are unable to handle the situation, which involves federal personnel on the ground being targeted with violence.  Politics plays a huge part in the response, and if reporting from the feds in this case is to be believed, it sounded as if LAPD would rather see federal law enforcement hurt/injured/killed than render assistance. 
 

Like the law, hate the regulation, hate enforcement…but the actions of individuals assaulting law enforcement officers, destroying private property, shutting down traffic and terrorizing neighborhoods is clearly a very dangerous situation.   Those responsible for violent intercession are playing chess as well. 

But do we need the Marines?  No.  Did the governor ask for the Marines or the National Guard?  No.  And if we're so eager to employ the National Guard, then why not have done so on J6?  It's a manufactured crisis.  

 

Violence is not the solution. There are rioters in addition to protesters here, and the rioters are wrong.  They should not harm or threaten to harm LEOs.  For that they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  Same thing goes for property damage.  Can't happen.  It is not the way.  

 

So too is the response wrong.  Putting aside the rank hypocrisy in employing the National Guard here, but not on J6, the President is supposed to be a voice of calm and reason.  There simply is no reason for the federal government to intercede in this way and at this juncture in what is principally a local matter.  

[JDHillFan]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

J6

You almost made a post without referencing J6! Nicely done. 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

You almost made a post without referencing J6! Nicely done. 

What's your point?  You whitewash it because it suits your political interests.  All of the MAGA whining about rule of law and law and order is empty and strictly convenient.  J6 was "overblown," and we don't have to follow court decisions we don't like, says MAGA.  You're a bunch of hypocrites on at least this issue.  

[JDHillFan]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

What's your point?  You whitewash it because it suits your political interests.  All of the MAGA whining about rule of law and law and order is empty and strictly convenient.  J6 was "overblown," and we don't have to follow court decisions we don't like, says MAGA.  You're a bunch of hypocrites on at least this issue.  

J6 was an abomination that dispersed when the dinner bell rang. People like you have elevated it into the darkest day in the history of the country. It’s laughable. Meanwhile, Democrats/liberals/progressives turn violent over everything that upsets them. 

[aristocrat]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

What's your point?  You whitewash it because it suits your political interests.  All of the MAGA whining about rule of law and law and order is empty and strictly convenient.  J6 was "overblown," and we don't have to follow court decisions we don't like, says MAGA.  You're a bunch of hypocrites on at least this issue.  

The Floyd riots had 26 deaths and around 2 billion in property damage. Jan 6 had I think 5 deaths from the protestors having heart attacks and around 6 mil in damage. Now do you want the former to happen again or do you want it to continue? 

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

From an emotional perspective, I understand and appreciate what you’re saying.  Individuals and families seeking a better way of life for themselves and their families is an age old story and an orderly and process-driven system for legal immigration is what every decent and reasonable person should hope for.  We haven’t had that, and people on both sides of the border have been victimized. 
 

“Legal or not” is where the problem begins, and separating families is pretty common in that situation.   As for resistance, if the standard response to emotional decisions is rioting and violence against law enforcement, the outcome would typically not be “Well, forget it, let’s just let it go.”.  The better alternative is compliance with laws and regulations.  

 

This situation has been decades in the making and the responsibility falls squarely on the politicians representing our country for the last several decades.  It’s exacerbated now by Democrat and liberal leaders who actively encourage defiance of our laws, regulations and sovereignty.  

 

It seems from photos and videos that the local authorities are unable to handle the situation, which involves federal personnel on the ground being targeted with violence.  Politics plays a huge part in the response, and if reporting from the feds in this case is to be believed, it sounded as if LAPD would rather see federal law enforcement hurt/injured/killed than render assistance. 
 

Like the law, hate the regulation, hate enforcement…but the actions of individuals assaulting law enforcement officers, destroying private property, shutting down traffic and terrorizing neighborhoods is clearly a very dangerous situation.   Those responsible for violent intercession are playing chess as well. 

I believe the street riot routine is one of the few plays remaining for the political left here. While they've been using the courts to block and obstruct the Trump administration's efforts to reverse the "Great Biden Migration" its looking like the legal challenge approach is losing its luster as the Federal government adjusts their strategy and tactics. Most cases making their way to the "rigged" SCOTUS have ruled for the administration. While Democrats are claiming a win for "due process" and the Constitution with the return of "Maryland Man" to the U.S. it may prove to be an empty victory if he's convicted of Federal charges, sentenced to prison, and then deported after his sentence is served.

 

This "mostly peaceful protest" street riot routine is the same tactic employed in the Summer of 2020. Just change the signage, the aggrieved party, and some slogans.

 

The difference is last time the Trump administration was ill-equipped to handle the problem. And this time I think is different. By invoking Federal control Trump has changed the rules. Newsom has protested this, and has initiated a lawsuit, saying the actions are escalating tensions. But I think the real concern of State and City officials flying cover for the protesters is that unlike 2020, when State and City laws and courts held jurisdiction which allowed most to escape any consequences, this time Federal law is likely to take priority. Through technologies like Geofencing and surveillance the participants will be identified. Along with the network of communications, relationships, and organizations. Nobody committing acts of violence is likely to escape consequences. I also expect that involved NGOs, financiers of the riots, and leadership of many organizations involved here will be hauled into court, have assets frozen, and will suffer consequences.

 

The only hope for victory for the political left is to provoke some mass casualty event where the government takes actions too extreme for the American public to accept creating a political windfall for Democrats. While I think Trump is impulsive and emotional enough to take the bait I don't believe the officials in charge of executing the response are that stupid.  

[BillsFanNC]

4 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

The Floyd riots had 26 deaths and around 2 billion in property damage. Jan 6 had I think 5 deaths from the protestors having heart attacks and around 6 mil in damage. Now do you want the former to happen again or do you want it to continue? 

 

Despite muppys denials four people died on J6, all Trump supporters. Zero cops.

 

Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, Kevin Greeson, and Ben Phillips.

 

Babbitt shot.

 

Boyland trampled.

 

Greeson and Phillips heart attacks. At least one was standing right near a flash bang when it went off and immediately collapsed.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

@Joe Ferguson forever and @The Frankish Reich what is the appropriate response from a president when a city has looting and rioting but the governor, mayor, and police chief want stop it?

They were stopping it.  I thought you were a states rights proponent.

[Orlando Buffalo]

6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

They were stopping it.  I thought you were a states rights proponent.

They were stopping it? So the police cars on fire was acceptable? Which state right are you advocating? The fact that you thought this response was clever makes you seem even dumber.