Cole Bishop Toughness

[MarlinTheMagician]

I feel a need to be reassured by the board.  I get a creeping fear - which can only be based on some weird, deep-seated prejudice -- that Cole Bishop may well lack the toughness to be an NFL strong safety.  Maybe he looks a little bit too much like a choirboy.  Maybe he is too handsome and I am secretly jealous.  I am 100% rooting for him.  I know he has the height, weight and speed.  But I look at him and think "likely to be scheme sound."  No, please!  I want to look at him and say "geez, I would sure hate to be a running back and see that animal flying downhill at me.  Snot flying, drool dripping, that dude is going to wreck someone."  I want to think - wide receiver over the middle?  Not worried about it, Bishop will get there and lay the MoFo out.  They may complete one, but it will be VERY expensive for them.  

 

Tell me I am stupid, a hater or just off base.  I really liked the pick when they made it, I am hoping he grows into a silent assassin on the back-end.  Even if he is scheme sound too (and I know he wasn't always that last year either).  Let's go Cole - cheering for you, and want to feel stupid for doubting you.  I may have to buy a Bishop jersey just to exorcise my doubts.  Thoughts?

 

 

[Don Otreply]

You are all those things, 🤣

[Malazan]

ffs

[paulmm3]

Yeah, OP is not correct. I live in Utah and watched Cole at U of U and he is an extremely willing, aggressive, and downhill tackler. Not an ounce of hesitation in the guy.

[RobbRiddick]

11 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I feel a need to be reassured by the board.  I get a creeping fear - which can only be based on some weird, deep-seated prejudice -- that Cole Bishop may well lack the toughness to be an NFL strong safety.  Maybe he looks a little bit too much like a choirboy.  Maybe he is too handsome and I am secretly jealous.  I am 100% rooting for him.  I know he has the height, weight and speed.  But I look at him and think "likely to be scheme sound."  No, please!  I want to look at him and say "geez, I would sure hate to be a running back and see that animal flying downhill at me.  Snot flying, drool dripping, that dude is going to wreck someone."  I want to think - wide receiver over the middle?  Not worried about it, Bishop will get there and lay the MoFo out.  They may complete one, but it will be VERY expensive for them.  

 

Tell me I am stupid, a hater or just off base.  I really liked the pick when they made it, I am hoping he grows into a silent assassin on the back-end.  Even if he is scheme sound too (and I know he wasn't always that last year either).  Let's go Cole - cheering for you, and want to feel stupid for doubting you.  I may have to buy a Bishop jersey just to exorcise my doubts.  Thoughts?

 

 

Steve Tasker looked like a choir boy and he was a psychopath on the field

[MarlinTheMagician]

10 minutes ago, Malazan said:

ffs

Yeah, is similar to the bad feeling I had about Josh Rosen, only different.  Looking at the pictures and interviews of that pencil-necked tool, all I could think was "never, ever will be a leader of strong men, and therefore will fail as an NFL QB."  So ffs me all you want, I have a track record 😀  And like I said, would love to be wrong. Rapp - he is a train wreck the way he injures everyone and can't say healthy himself, but just looking at him you can picture him putting a hurt on people.  

7 minutes ago, paulmm3 said:

Yeah, OP is not correct. I live in Utah and watched Cole at U of U and he is an extremely willing, aggressive, and downhill tackler. Not an ounce of hesitation in the guy.

That is great - and I read the same kinds of reviews when he was drafted.  The play I saw last year was more tentative, in my eyes.  Could just be because he was a rook and missed time, but I hope what you saw at Utah translates to the NFL - it doesn't always.  If it does, and I am 100% rooting for him, my next worry will be "can he stay healthy".

Edited 18 hours ago by MarlinTheMagician

[MarlinTheMagician]

4 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Steve Tasker looked like a choir boy and he was a psychopath on the field

Agree with the second part, but you have to admit Tasker looked like a choirboy in a kind of psychopathic way -- still does.  Like Lenny Dykstra (who looked innocent when very young).  Plus, my man Tasker played with unbridled aggression from the first play I ever saw of his.  Dude was just a baller, and I am sincerely hopeful that is in Cole.  I want to see it.  In the NFL. Let's go Cole!  I think he is a key for the D - a fact that is noted, but I think underrated. 

[machine gun kelly]

You can’t tell by the look on a guy’s face whether he is tough.  Heck I looked like an alter boy when younger, but was a state champ wrestler, national champ Powerlifter, and bounced in some of the worst roadhouses.  That aw shucks look an be in youre favor.  Now I truly am just a middle aged man who enjoys working out to be healthy.  My hitting days are long gone.  Besides my joints are that of a 68 yr old more than decade older than my age from the powerlifting.  The body isn’t meant to do that stuff.

 

If he behaves like Deon back in the day, afraid to tackle people then make all the assertions you want as you have a body if work.  The Utah posters states he’s tough, so that’s good enough for me.  Last year he didn’t have a full off season due to injury,so another year in McD’s defense he’ll probably take the next step.  Look how Spencer Brown evolved over three years.

[strive_for_five_guy]

23 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I feel a need to be reassured by the board.  I get a creeping fear - which can only be based on some weird, deep-seated prejudice -- that Cole Bishop may well lack the toughness to be an NFL strong safety.  Maybe he looks a little bit too much like a choirboy.  Maybe he is too handsome and I am secretly jealous.  I am 100% rooting for him.  I know he has the height, weight and speed.  But I look at him and think "likely to be scheme sound."  No, please!  I want to look at him and say "geez, I would sure hate to be a running back and see that animal flying downhill at me.  Snot flying, drool dripping, that dude is going to wreck someone."  I want to think - wide receiver over the middle?  Not worried about it, Bishop will get there and lay the MoFo out.  They may complete one, but it will be VERY expensive for them.  

 

Tell me I am stupid, a hater or just off base.  I really liked the pick when they made it, I am hoping he grows into a silent assassin on the back-end.  Even if he is scheme sound too (and I know he wasn't always that last year either).  Let's go Cole - cheering for you, and want to feel stupid for doubting you.  I may have to buy a Bishop jersey just to exorcise my doubts.  Thoughts?

 

 

You’re stupid

[MarlinTheMagician]

2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

You can’t tell by the look on a guy’s face whether he is tough.  Heck I looked like an alter boy when younger, but was a state champ wrestler, national champ Powerlifter, and bounced in some of the worst roadhouses.  That aw shucks look an be in youre favor.  Now I truly am just a middle aged man who enjoys working out to be healthy.  My hitting days are long gone.  Besides my joints are that of a 68 yr old more than decade older than my age from the powerlifting.  The body isn’t meant to do that stuff.

 

If he behaves like Deon back in the day, afraid to tackle people then make all the assertions you want as you have a body if work.  The Utah posters states he’s tough, so that’s good enough for me.  Last year he didn’t have a full off season due to injury,so another year in McD’s defense he’ll probably take the next step.  Look how Spencer Brown evolved over three years.

I do feel reassured by the first paragraph - and heck, I even know that is absolutely a truism, can't judge a book by its cover.  But I really want to see it.  I would rather he miss badly, but aggressively, than settle for "scheme sound."  Not saying he will settle for that, but I want to see it.  

2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

You’re stupid

Match my SAT score bro, dare you!  Kidding, but I very much want to be stupid here.  I want to see him square some folks up.  If you can honestly say you saw a lot of that last year, I was not watching the same performance.  It is time. I hope it happens.

[Logic]

[MarlinTheMagician]

Just now, Logic said:

When someone says "kidding" it is usually a tell!

[WotAGuy]

I need reassurance from the board.
Tell me my wife ain’t a 2. 
A big, fat 2.

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by WotAGuy

[Ya Digg?]

Oh cool, another one of these "the guy didn't play well his rookie year so he's never going to be good" threads.  Can we, for the love of God, ever actually give these guys a chance before we go all doom and gloom on them?  

[Don Otreply]

2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Oh cool, another one of these "the guy didn't play well his rookie year so he's never going to be good" threads.  Can we, for the love of God, ever actually give these guys a chance before we go all doom and gloom on them?  

No! No we can’t! 
 

we must create and maintain an atmosphere where doubt and trepidation are the controlling factors! 
 

I thought everyone knew this…, 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

I need reassurance from the board.
Tell my my wife ain’t a 2. 

Don't think you will get that.  

 

Hell, if not one other poster is worried at all about Bishop's development, I guess that does make me feel better.  BUT - there is no way the top two safeties would have been mocked to us so often, or that persons on this board would have clamored for one of them, if Cole had balled out last year.  The concern was not that "he didn't play well" - I thought he kind of played okay-ish.  The concern was I did not see plays that demonstrated the traits we drafted him for -- size and speed used to deliver authoritative hits.  Take Josh, or Shakir or Spencer Brown - they all did that even when experiencing rookie struggles.  Not trashing the young man, not even saying he didn't play decent for a rook, but show me a little more sandpaper. 

[Lagoon Blues]

Previous choir boy here....I have gone on to do astounding and unspeakable things.  Seriously proud and extremely disappointed in myself.  Just my 2c.

Edited 18 hours ago by Lagoon Blues

[boyst]

Cole Bishop = Coy Wire at best

[MarlinTheMagician]

1 minute ago, Lagoon Blues said:

Previous choir boy here....I have gone on to do unspeakable things.  Seriously proud and extremely disappointed in myself.  Just my 2c.

Bless you.  Hang out with Cole some this summer.  Corrupt him. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Take Spender Brown - clean cut, but a real bastard from day one.  Wanted to put defenders though the turf.  Was always obvious.  Same for our extra-lineman dude whose name I forget at the moment.  Mean.