House Passes One Big Beautiful Bill

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

You cannot address debt without raising taxes. 

 

If you were so worried about it, you wouldn’t be jerking it to a bill that increases funding for sadistic nonsense like ICE. 
 

It’s a scam. 

 

You go right ahead and sell taxes to the voters.  Go right ahead.  
 

Argue more spending is needed and the mission of DOGE was a waste.  
 

 

DOGE is the first significant effort to cut.  And it has.  It’s still going to do so moving forward.  
 

And Democrats are going to make a case to the American people living paycheck to paycheck to paycheck or handout to handout the federal government can spend however much it wants?

 

 

Good luck with that.  
 

And in no way am I circle jerking to the bill.  It’s the best solution for the moment.  It’s imperfect.  But it’s far better than what Democrats would do to this country.   

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

4 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

DOGE saved virtually nothing. It’s an abject failure. It “cut” a tiny fraction of its intended goal, and now Elon is slinking away with his tail between his legs. 
 

You cannot address debt without raising taxes. 
 

If you were so worried about it, you wouldn’t be jerking it to a bill that increases funding for sadistic nonsense like ICE. 
 

It’s a scam. 

ICE keeps our borders safe, something you obviously don't care about. The only failure is the dems. Cope, seethe and cry.

[Roundybout]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

You go right ahead and sell taxes to the voters.  Go right ahead.  
 

Argue more spending is needed and the mission of DOGE was a waste.  
 

 

DOGE is the first significant effort to cut.  And it has.  It’s still going to do so moving forward.  
 

And Democrats are going to make a case to the American people living paycheck to paycheck to paycheck or handout to handout the federal government can spend however much it wants?

 

 

Good luck with that.  
 

And in no way am I circle jerking to the bill.  It’s the best solution for the moment.  It’s imperfect.  But it’s far better than what Democrats would do to this country.   

It’ll sell better than your side’s argument that people should pay more for less choice at the store. Straight out of the USSR playbook. 
 

Again, if you were so damn worried about the deficit, you wouldn’t be supporting a bill that adds to it as much as this bill does. It’s the same as any GOP president. 

[Big Blitz]

The only voters Ds have left 

 

I absolutely want them to run on raising their taxes!

 

 

[nedboy7]

I guess the financial world is just a bunch of people with TDS.  ***** cult. 

[Roundybout]

25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The only voters Ds have left 

 

I absolutely want them to run on raising their taxes!

 

 

So why give tax breaks to the people with the most money, the boomers?

 

Everything you believe is contradictory 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

41 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

So why give tax breaks to the people with the most money, the boomers?

 

Everything you believe is contradictory 

The govt has been giving tax breaks to the wealthy since forever. They can buy influence unfortunately. Both dems and republican are guilty.

[Roundybout]

12 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

The govt has been giving tax breaks to the wealthy since forever. They can buy influence unfortunately. Both dems and republican are guilty.

Then why are MAGAs celebrating this bill?

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

8 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Then why are MAGAs celebrating this bill?

Is it just the rich getting tax breaks?

[Doc Brown]

All they really needed to do was extend the TCJA and defund some of Biden's big spending ineffective programs.  However, they took care of their SALT buddies.  Now a guy working as a car mechanic in Alabama can subsidize a doctor in NY making $450k a year.  No taxes on tips and no taxes on overtime means that workers who don't work for tips or are offered overtime can subsidize those who do.  Now the bill will pass and fiscal conservatives will raise their hands in the air and say "well, we had to make concessions to make it through because of the slim majority."  Basically, business as usual.  That's fine but let's not pretend Trump isn't part of the establishment when this bill goes through.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Not true in the least.  
 

You can’t have it both ways.  
 

Complain about DOGE being this threat to the bureaucracy and the deep state - then say it was always a fraud.  
 

The frauds are the Dems and media that vilified it.  
 

 

We don’t have the votes - thanks to Democrats and low info Americans - to make the cuts and reforms necessary to make significant dents in the debt.  It’s just a fact.  
 

So for now it will need to be incremental.  
 

DOGE is just the start.  
 

Americans in future elections are going to be asked - what are we doing about the debt?  
 

The Democrat response will be more taxes and magic.  
 

 

DOGE was amazingly ... inefficient.

Look at the proposed defense budget. Remember when Elon said "Defense is next." Umm, right.

 

Do we have any idea what the Golden Dome will cost when all is said and done? Whether it is considered a vital defense interest? Whether it is actually workable with current technology? And that's just the biggest one of many, many others.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Who knew Massie was so poetic?

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/house-republican-shreds-trumps-big-beautiful-bill-as-titanic-level-debt-bomb/

“Very soon,” he said. “The government will be paying $16,000 of interest, interest alone, per U.S. family.”

He estimated that under the bill’s taxing and spending levels, the national debt could balloon by as much as $30 trillion over the next decade.

“Congress can do funny math, fantasy math, if it wants,” Massie added. “But bond investors don’t.”

“We’re not rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic tonight. We’re putting coal in the boiler and setting a course for the iceberg,” he warned.

Before yielding, the congressman sniped at his Republican colleagues hoping to push the bill through while America slept: “If something is beautiful, you don’t do it after midnight.”

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[T master]

20 hours ago, Roundybout said:

DOGE saved virtually nothing. It’s an abject failure. It “cut” a tiny fraction of its intended goal, and now Elon is slinking away with his tail between his legs. 
 

You cannot address debt without raising taxes. 
 

If you were so worried about it, you wouldn’t be jerking it to a bill that increases funding for sadistic nonsense like ICE. 
 

It’s a scam. 

 

Your so ignorant you have forgotten a very old and true saying "A penny saved is a penny earned" you have to start some where and IMHO anything that the gov't can potentially save is a good thing !

 

But you don't think that way you are of the thought pattern spend, spend, spend on those entitlements because this is America which makes you part of the problem because you won't except any real change just the fake kind others have preached about in the past .

 

Then to say to " increase funding for sadistic nonsense like ICE" bot now there's a comment of a true patriot ! Just flood the country with illegals so I can sit on my ass and not have to do physical labor and allow all Americans to pay for their free housing, health care, schooling, alternative printing of everything because they won't learn English ..

 

BRILLIANT !!! 

[All_Pro_Bills]

18 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Who knew Massie was so poetic?

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/house-republican-shreds-trumps-big-beautiful-bill-as-titanic-level-debt-bomb/

“Very soon,” he said. “The government will be paying $16,000 of interest, interest alone, per U.S. family.”

He estimated that under the bill’s taxing and spending levels, the national debt could balloon by as much as $30 trillion over the next decade.

“Congress can do funny math, fantasy math, if it wants,” Massie added. “But bond investors don’t.”

“We’re not rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic tonight. We’re putting coal in the boiler and setting a course for the iceberg,” he warned.

Before yielding, the congressman sniped at his Republican colleagues hoping to push the bill through while America slept: “If something is beautiful, you don’t do it after midnight.”

 

This is exactly correct and its been the case since Nixon's executive order eliminated the convertibility of the dollar into gold. And every administration since then has been on a quest to increase the national debt. Now about $36 Trillion. I saw numbers that speculated this bill will add $5 trillion to that figure. Something's got to give and its going to be the US dollar. Where I disagree with Massie is I believe we're a lot closer to the day of reckoning than he suggests. Trump's approach while politically different leads to the same result as Biden. We can argue politics all we want and blame one party or the other but in my view its merely a cleanest pig in the mud hole debate.

[SCBills]

21 hours ago, Roundybout said:

DOGE saved virtually nothing. It’s an abject failure. It “cut” a tiny fraction of its intended goal, and now Elon is slinking away with his tail between his legs. 
 

You cannot address debt without raising taxes. 
 

If you were so worried about it, you wouldn’t be jerking it to a bill that increases funding for sadistic nonsense like ICE. 
 

It’s a scam. 

We can absolutely lower the debt by deporting those here illegally leeching off government welfare programs and using our hospitals and clinics free of charge. 
 

The sad thing is.. all the Medicare For All people refuse to accept the reality that stronger borders and stronger immigration enforcement would allow us to have a better functioning, more cost effective, healthcare system. 
 

Bernie Sanders used to believe this until the Democrat machine beat it out of him. 

[nedboy7]

MAGA stands for mentally ill now.  Congrats. 

[Roundybout]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We can absolutely lower the debt by deporting those here illegally leeching off government welfare programs and using our hospitals and clinics free of charge. 
 

The sad thing is.. all the Medicare For All people refuse to accept the reality that stronger borders and stronger immigration enforcement would allow us to have a better functioning, more cost effective, healthcare system. 
 

Bernie Sanders used to believe this until the Democrat machine beat it out of him. 

Migrants pay taxes and get jobs. They don’t sit around watching TV all day long. 
 

“Securing the border” would have very little effect on healthcare. 

[Big Blitz]

6 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

“Securing the border” would have very little effect on healthcare. 

 

How much do we save now that the open border is secured?  
 

Over 11 States provide undocumented access to health insurance and numerous other programs.  
 

That the federal government indirectly funds.  

[TH3]

23 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

$40,000 SALT deduction. AYFKM?

Subsidy for California and NY residents. And who pays $40,000 in state and local taxes? People with a lot of income. We call them "rich."

Well NY and CA subsidize the red states as the are “donors” 

43 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We can absolutely lower the debt by deporting those here illegally leeching off government welfare programs and using our hospitals and clinics free of charge. 
 

The sad thing is.. all the Medicare For All people refuse to accept the reality that stronger borders and stronger immigration enforcement would allow us to have a better functioning, more cost effective, healthcare system. 
 

Bernie Sanders used to believe this until the Democrat machine beat it out of him. 

The above is not correct in any way…but I’m sure you believe it

[TH3]

23 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

You go right ahead and sell taxes to the voters.  Go right ahead.  
 

Argue more spending is needed and the mission of DOGE was a waste.  
 

 

DOGE is the first significant effort to cut.  And it has.  It’s still going to do so moving forward.  
 

And Democrats are going to make a case to the American people living paycheck to paycheck to paycheck or handout to handout the federal government can spend however much it wants?

 

 

Good luck with that.  
 

And in no way am I circle jerking to the bill.  It’s the best solution for the moment.  It’s imperfect.  But it’s far better than what Democrats would do to this country.   

So a bill that lowers taxes for the wealthy, cuts services for the sick and hungry…and raises taxes on you (tariffs)….and adds trillions to the deficit  that increases borrowing costs for everyone….This is the best solution? How? 

 

I dunno…how about raising taxes on the rich, closing loopholes on hedge fund managers, creating a bipartisan effort to figure out why we spend 2x on healthcare compared with the rest of the modern world…with worse results…A genuine effort to improve government…and set a goal to balance the budget in 10 years.

 

The ONLY goal of this house effort was to smoke screen the math with fake cuts and tariff revenue to extend tax rates