Derrick Henry gets 2 year $30m Dollar Extension ($25m guaranteed).

[Alphadawg7]

49 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He'll be 32 when they're in the Playoffs this season. While I agree it's probably likely he'll still be a force this season, I don't agree that there's often signs the previous year before players hit the wall. Players seemingly hit the wall out of nowhere more often than not. Especially at RB and especially when you get years into the 30's. Again, I wouldn't bet money on that happening this season. But I wouldn't bet money against it either. And I certainly wouldn't say with any kind of certainty he has another 2 full years and at 33 he'll still be going as strong as last season.

 

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea agree. I don't think it is at all the case that you always see signs the previous year. It often happens fast. I'm not saying it will happen to Henry. But I would not be shocked if this year he gets nicked up and slows some and isn't the force of 2024.

 

I dont disagree that some guys can just fall off a cliff, but in a lot of those cases I have gone back and noticed their back end of the previous season was tailing off form their first half of the previous season.  Its not an exact science by any measure, and its not always going to be the case, but more to the point Henry showed zilch in terms of slowing down. 

 

Even if he was in his prime still, I think it would be foolish to expect another 1900 yard season, those just don't happen very often.  But if there is any back capable of 1200-1500 yard seasons still in that Ravens offense at ages 32 and 33 its this guy.  He is on another level physically and few have the kind of off season regimen that he does, or even capable of what he does.  

 

That being said...I also wouldn't at all be surprised to see a 32 year old RB slow down, its a pretty common wall.  Just saying, if there is a RB to bet on to still get a couple highly productive seasons at this age its him.   

7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Exactly. Take Rasul Douglas for example. He went from a pretty solid starter for us in 2023 to completely toast in 2024 (and currently out of the league) seemingly overnight. The 30's come at you fast in the NFL. 

 

The problem with that comparison though is that Rasul and Henry are not in the same league as a player, physically, or how their offseason regimen to take care of their bodies.  Most RB's will fall off a cliff at this age, you don't have to convince me of that or find examples, there are many.  The point was if anyone can buck that  trend its Henry.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Don Otreply]

If Cook grows several inches and gains a bunch of pounds of muscle he too can become a bell cow RB, being that isn’t going to happen, James needs to get comfy with 12 million at the max , and I like Cook a lot, he is very good for s small RB, 

[BillsFanForever19]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The problem with that comparison though is that Rasul and Henry are not in the same league as a player, physically, or how their offseason regimen to take care of their bodies.  Most RB's will fall off a cliff at this age, you don't have to convince me of that or find examples, there are many.  The point was if anyone can buck that  trend its Henry.

 

I'm not saying Douglas and Henry are the same caliber of player. The difference between Douglas hitting the wall and Henry hitting the wall is that Douglas doing so equates to being completely toast and out of the league - wherein Henry losing a step would still have him as a servicable RB. But your argument is he'll still be the force he was last year for up to two years. I think that's a pretty big gamble to take.

 

7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

If Cook grows several inches and gains a bunch of pounds of muscle he too can become a bell cow RB, being that isn’t going to happen, James needs to get comfy with 12 million at the max , and I like Cook a lot, he is very good for s small RB, 

 

He definitely doesn't have to "get comfy with 12m at the max". If Josh Jacobs is at 12m and 29 year old Alvin Kamara is at 12.5 - he will easily surpass that. Derrick Henry will be 32 in the Playoffs this season. That's why he's making 15m instead of 21m like Barkley. You know that there's much more that goes into contract value than stats and performance.

 

If Cook hits the market next offseason after another season like last year, I would bet you Dollars to Donuts he's exceeding 12m and probably by more than a couple million.

[Don Otreply]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm not saying Douglas and Henry are the same caliber of player. The difference between Douglas hitting the wall and Henry hitting the wall is that Douglas doing so equates to being completely toast and out of the league - wherein Henry losing a step would still have him as a servicable RB. But your argument is he'll still be the force he was last year for up to two years. I think that's a pretty big gamble to take.

 

 

He definitely doesn't have to "get comfy with 12m at the max". If Josh Jacobs is at 12m and 29 year old Alvin Kamara is at 12.5 - he will easily surpass that. Derrick Henry will be 32 in the Playoffs this season. That's why he's making 15m instead of 21m like Barkley. You know that there's much more that goes into contract value than stats and performance.

 

If Cook hits the market next offseason after another season like last year, I would bet you Dollars to Donuts he's exceeding 12m and probably by more than a couple million.

I hate when people show valid comparison to me when I’ve been drinking, stop already..,, 

 

 

 

 

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[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Im not as down on Bernard as some seem to be, but if there is a question/case to be made about his contract, it is would the money have benefited the Bills more being spent on Cook.  And regardless of anyones opinion on Bernard or what to pay Cook, that is a legit discussion.  

 

I'm not down on Bernard. He is a good NFL MLB. He isn't a guy you need to upgrade. I wad not going into the offseason saying the Bills must get better there. I just feel of the contracts we had coming up he was the most expendable when you look at a matrix of talent, impact and positional value.

[SoonerBillsFan]

25 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm not saying Douglas and Henry are the same caliber of player. The difference between Douglas hitting the wall and Henry hitting the wall is that Douglas doing so equates to being completely toast and out of the league - wherein Henry losing a step would still have him as a servicable RB. But your argument is he'll still be the force he was last year for up to two years. I think that's a pretty big gamble to take.

 

 

He definitely doesn't have to "get comfy with 12m at the max". If Josh Jacobs is at 12m and 29 year old Alvin Kamara is at 12.5 - he will easily surpass that. Derrick Henry will be 32 in the Playoffs this season. That's why he's making 15m instead of 21m like Barkley. You know that there's much more that goes into contract value than stats and performance.

 

If Cook hits the market next offseason after another season like last year, I would bet you Dollars to Donuts he's exceeding 12m and probably by more than a couple million.

By a team that isn't our Quality and has cap room to stupidly give to a 2 down back.

[BillsFanForever19]

23 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

By a team that isn't our Quality and has cap room to stupidly give to a 2 down back.

 

You'd think James Cook walked up to you and your family, stared you dead in the eyes, and then slapped your mother across the face. I just don't get the anger and multitude of demeaning posts about him. It's just business my dude. Like it or not, he was our best offensive weapon last season and likely will be this year too. I look forward to your posts when he wins us games this year, like he did last season.

Edited 9 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[longtimebillsfan]

4 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Inflated ego? He’s 25 and Henry will be 33 during the season. Cook had 1000 yards n 200 carries and 16 TDs. He’s getting better and more valuable to a team that played in AFC Championship,every year. The position has a 4 to 6 year window if you stay injury free. He’s got to get his money within the next year. You want him to say he doesn’t deserve to get paid?  He plays 16 or 17 games every year and is a matchup nightmare out of the backfield in the passing game. If he goes for 1200 yds and they get to another championship game, would he be worth Henry money then?

More power to him.  If we sign him to the contract he is looking for,  which high priced player on our roster do you cut?  In mho he is no Derek Henry.

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You'd think James Cook walked up to you and your family, stared you dead in the eyes, and then slapped your mother across the face. I just don't get the anger and multitude of demeaning posts about him. It's just business my dude. Like it or not, he was our best offensive weapon last season and likely will be this year too. I look forward to your posts when he wins us games this year, like he did last season.

Our best offensive weapon is Allen and its not close.

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Our best offensive weapon is Allen and its not close.

 

He's our Quarterback. When people speak of "weapons" on Offense, they're generally talking about the QB's weaponry - ie RB's, WR's, TE's.

 

My apologies for not specifying that which I didn't think needed to be specified.

Edited 7 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[HamptonBillsfan]

29 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

More power to him.  If we sign him to the contract he is looking for,  which high priced player on our roster do you cut?  In mho he is no Derek Henry.

He’s not Henry but he’s a big part of our offense. He’s also 25 and plays every game. If Brady uses him in the last two drives against KC, we might have gone to the SB. You think nothing of paying Benford $20 million and he’s a concussion away from being in danger of losing his career. Since Thurman, how many game changing backs have we wasted high draft choices on who were either injury riddled and mediocre or head cases like Lynch. We can have Cook for 3 or four more years at reasonable rates compared to the increased price structure greatl RBs will be demanding after Barkley and Henry’s deal. It’s because of the threat of Cook that Josh has been so prolific.

[NewEra]

22 hours ago, klos63 said:

That may be the case,  if it is,  I'm not happy with spending a 2nd round pick on a player that you only expect to have around for 4 seasons.  Not good value. 

The value, imo, is fluid.  It may not be worth it 3 years in a row, but if we win a SB in year 4- I think it’s worth it. 

[longtimebillsfan]

6 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

He’s not Henry but he’s a big part of our offense. He’s also 25 and plays every game. If Brady uses him in the last two drives against KC, we might have gone to the SB. You think nothing of paying Benford $20 million and he’s a concussion away from being in danger of losing his career. Since Thurman, how many game changing backs have we wasted high draft choices on who were either injury riddled and mediocre or head cases like Lynch. We can have Cook for 3 or four more years at reasonable rates compared to the increased price structure greatl RBs will be demanding after Barkley and Henry’s deal. It’s because of the threat of Cook that Josh has been so prolific.

All good points.