Doc Posted Sunday at 01:01 PM Posted Sunday at 01:01 PM 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: No comment on the blatant propaganda lying by the media for years? Shocking. I'll answer your questions when you answer mine. Did you need the media, any media, to tell you that Biden was a vegetable, or did you decide to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears and swallow the lies deeply? They're all in on saying "Trump is in mental decline, when before it was "you're not a doctor and haven't examined him personally!"
Orlando Buffalo Posted Sunday at 01:11 PM Posted Sunday at 01:11 PM This kinda thing takes some balls that I am not sure I own, if I printed the 2024 article I am certainly not going back and printing the 2025 article. The second article should be basically " anyone that listened to the NYT was stupid and gullible, believing all the videos were deep fakes and taken out of context, not to mention the way to save democracy is to give the nomination to a women who received no votes" I don't have the hutzpah this lady has.
njbuff Posted Sunday at 07:42 PM Posted Sunday at 07:42 PM Problem is/was that Bi-dumb is so stupid that some actually thought it wasn’t cognitive decline, it was just Bi-dumb being his usual stupid self.
Doc Posted Sunday at 07:46 PM Posted Sunday at 07:46 PM 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: Problem is/was that Bi-dumb is so stupid that some actually thought it wasn’t cognitive decline, it was just Bi-dumb being his usual stupid self. No, a "stutter." 1
4th&long Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago The right, "don't trust the media. Jake Trapper is full of *****". Also the right, "Jake Tappers book is gold, look at all the truth gold nuggets in here!" 1
GaryPinC Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago (edited) On 5/18/2025 at 8:42 AM, BillsFanNC said: No comment on the blatant propaganda lying by the media for years? Shocking. I'll answer your questions when you answer mine. Did you need the media, any media, to tell you that Biden was a vegetable, or did you decide to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears and swallow the lies deeply? No I did not need the media to tell me that the Biden decline was showing signs even when he took office. All you needed to see was how limited his availability was, how structured and limited the questioning was, how quickly the rope could be pulled, and with all that there was still the gaffes and drifting issues, though those became more obvious later in the administration. I still feel Dem leadership set him up for that Trump debate as a sink or swim moment. All the conditions (no notes, "helpers", etc.) were totally counter to how he was handled up to that point and allowed them the excuse to pull the plug on him. And let's be clear. Biden is not a "vegetable". It's not an all or none event, it comes on slowly. Just like is happening with Trump now. There are certain periods where it will accelerate, then slow while continually progressing. As far as the media "lying", I'd rather see his wife, administration, doctors and others held accountable before the media. They were essentially guilty of fraud in multiple actions. Sadly for the Dems, Harris should have ascended to the Presidential role and ironically may have had a better chance in the election. Did the media swallow and trumpet the excuses? Absolutely. Did the media lie, at times during the admin? I'm sure, but find the most blatant times to make an example, because it will tie up too many resources to have a complete witch hunt. Focus instead on the administration. I certainly was not happy with the situation, but there is precedent. Edith Wilson, Dolly Madison and Martha Washington. Does that make it ok? No, and I'm hopeful laws and/or the constitution changes to prevent this ever again. It needs oversight. Do you realize Trump's decline is starting to show and in different ways than Biden but still occuring? Or will you continue to play the hypocrite? Wait till he hits 80 but it will progress before then. Edited 15 hours ago by GaryPinC
Albwan Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 9 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: No I did not need the media to tell me that the Biden decline was showing signs even when he took office. All you needed to see was how limited his availability was, how structured and limited the questioning was, how quickly the rope could be pulled, and with all that there was still the gaffes and drifting issues, though those became more obvious later in the administration. I still feel Dem leadership set him up for that Trump debate as a sink or swim moment. All the conditions (no notes, "helpers", etc.) were totally counter to how he was handled up to that point and allowed them the excuse to pull the plug on him. And let's be clear. Biden is not a "vegetable". It's not an all or none event, it comes on slowly. Just like is happening with Trump now. There are certain periods where it will accelerate, then slow while continually progressing. As far as the media "lying", I'd rather see his wife, administration, doctors and others held accountable before the media. They were essentially guilty of fraud in multiple actions. Sadly for the Dems, Harris should have ascended to the Presidential role and ironically may have had a better chance in the election. Did the media swallow and trumpet the excuses? Absolutely. Did the media lie, at times during the admin? I'm sure, but find the most blatant times to make an example, because it will tie up too many resources to have a complete witch hunt. Focus instead on the administration. I certainly was not happy with the situation, but there is precedent. Edith Wilson, Dolly Madison and Martha Washington. Does that make it ok? No, and I'm hopeful laws and/or the constitution changes to prevent this ever again. It needs oversight. Do you realize Trump's decline is starting to show and in different ways than Biden but still occuring? Or will you continue to play the hypocrite? Wait till he hits 80 but it will progress before then. You people are unreal.
JDHillFan Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, GaryPinC said: Do you realize Trump's decline is starting to show and in different ways than Biden but still occuring? It will certainly happen but is he any different now than he was during his previous presidency? If you believe the answer to that is yes, I would need some examples. Surely you have some specifics. The guy has always rambled on, saying whatever comes into his head. That doesn’t stop him from seemingly going strong at all hours of the day and night.
Pokebball Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: It will certainly happen but is he any different now than he was during his previous presidency? If you believe the answer to that is yes, I would need some examples. Surely you have some specifics. The guy has always rambled on, saying whatever comes into his head. That doesn’t stop him from seemingly going strong at all hours of the day and night. IMO mainstream media would be all over trump's issues (as they should be), unlike how they defended biden. Edited 13 hours ago by Pokebball 2
Doc Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 6 hours ago, 4th&long said: The right, "don't trust the media. Jake Trapper is full of *****". Also the right, "Jake Tappers book is gold, look at all the truth gold nuggets in here!" More like "yeah, Tapper's telling us what we already knew."
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 5 hours ago, GaryPinC said: No I did not need the media to tell me that the Biden decline was showing signs even when he took office. All you needed to see was how limited his availability was, how structured and limited the questioning was, how quickly the rope could be pulled, and with all that there was still the gaffes and drifting issues, though those became more obvious later in the administration. I still feel Dem leadership set him up for that Trump debate as a sink or swim moment. All the conditions (no notes, "helpers", etc.) were totally counter to how he was handled up to that point and allowed them the excuse to pull the plug on him. And let's be clear. Biden is not a "vegetable". It's not an all or none event, it comes on slowly. Just like is happening with Trump now. There are certain periods where it will accelerate, then slow while continually progressing. As far as the media "lying", I'd rather see his wife, administration, doctors and others held accountable before the media. They were essentially guilty of fraud in multiple actions. Sadly for the Dems, Harris should have ascended to the Presidential role and ironically may have had a better chance in the election. Did the media swallow and trumpet the excuses? Absolutely. Did the media lie, at times during the admin? I'm sure, but find the most blatant times to make an example, because it will tie up too many resources to have a complete witch hunt. Focus instead on the administration. I certainly was not happy with the situation, but there is precedent. Edith Wilson, Dolly Madison and Martha Washington. Does that make it ok? No, and I'm hopeful laws and/or the constitution changes to prevent this ever again. It needs oversight. Do you realize Trump's decline is starting to show and in different ways than Biden but still occuring? Or will you continue to play the hypocrite? Wait till he hits 80 but it will progress before then. IMO, it comes down to this: Whatever Biden and his team did, they did. Not the first nor last time it will happen. The media side is a bit more complicated: -They have sources or they don’t have sources. Part of the leap of faith when they quote sources deep within is that they are accurate. -The media missed a major story about a president in crisis. It was open and obvious, it was clear to thinking people, and it started long before the debate. Given that, there are two ways to look at it: 1. The media is incompetent and thus everything they put out should be questioned regardless of politics; 2. The media was complicit in the illusion of sharp as a tack Biden. Given the post-mortem handwringing, I’d say complicit is most likely, but can see why others might think it was a competence issue. 1
BillsFanNC Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 7 hours ago, GaryPinC said: No I did not need the media to tell me that the Biden decline was showing signs even when he took office. All you needed to see was how limited his availability was, how structured and limited the questioning was, how quickly the rope could be pulled, and with all that there was still the gaffes and drifting issues, though those became more obvious later in the administration. I still feel Dem leadership set him up for that Trump debate as a sink or swim moment. All the conditions (no notes, "helpers", etc.) were totally counter to how he was handled up to that point and allowed them the excuse to pull the plug on him. All that was clear to you and yet you seem to want to hand wave around the legacy media and administration ignoring it at best and telling you not to believe your lying eyes at worst. Why is that? Weird that you seem to have a bone to pick with Fox News in particular but not a huge swath of the media that collectively engaged in blatant propaganda. 7 hours ago, GaryPinC said: And let's be clear. Biden is not a "vegetable". It's not an all or none event, it comes on slowly. Just like is happening with Trump now. There are certain periods where it will accelerate, then slow while continually progressing. Trump deflecting, rambling and not directly answering questions is a hallmark of cognitive decline now? That's every single politician in Washington. I want to see shaking hands with air, repeatedly forgetting how to get off stage, speaking in gibberish, outburst of shouting and creepy whispering, shuffling gait etc. You want me to acknowledge Trump might be showing cognitive decline? Show me Trump speaking in concise coherent sentences and I'd take that as a potential sign. The friggin guy has been constantly doing rallies, interviews and press conferences non stop for the past two plus years. You're grasping at straws. 7 hours ago, GaryPinC said: As far as the media "lying", I'd rather see his wife, administration, doctors and others held accountable before the media. They were essentially guilty of fraud in multiple actions. Sadly for the Dems, Harris should have ascended to the Presidential role and ironically may have had a better chance in the election. Did the media swallow and trumpet the excuses? Absolutely. Did the media lie, at times during the admin? I'm sure, but find the most blatant times to make an example, because it will tie up too many resources to have a complete witch hunt. Focus instead on the administration. Should the media be asking tough questions of our elected leaders and those who speak for them? I certainly think they should. Why do you think they ask Trump and those in his administration tough questions to the point of absurdity and Joe Biden got questions about ice cream? Let's do another exercise. Suppose Trump casually mentioned in a speech that he has cancer, like we witnessed from Biden in 2022. Do you think this WH could put out a statement that it was simply a gaffe and the media would then dutifully let it go like they did with Biden or would it be closer to DEFCON 1? 7 hours ago, GaryPinC said: I certainly was not happy with the situation, but there is precedent. Edith Wilson, Dolly Madison and Martha Washington. Does that make it ok? No, and I'm hopeful laws and/or the constitution changes to prevent this ever again. It needs oversight. Do you realize Trump's decline is starting to show and in different ways than Biden but still occuring? Or will you continue to play the hypocrite? Wait till he hits 80 but it will progress before then. So cognitive decline is not a linear predictable process, yet with Trump, where no reasonable person will say there's currently any evidence of it at all, it's not only predictable but you know exactly when it will progress. Got it. And I'm a hypocrite? The iron law baby. 😂 Edited 8 hours ago by BillsFanNC
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