What’s the deal with Winston and Cousins?

[Richard Noggin]

17 hours ago, T master said:

Cousins in his true. historic form probably wants a lot of money to sign just to ultimately hold a clip board until needed which could be why he's still on the market .

 

Isn't Cousins under contract with Atlanta, who has not shown any public eagerness to move him so far? (Maybe I missed something)

[Mikie2times]

On 5/10/2025 at 6:40 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Peyton Manning came back when he would have been the number one overall pick.. Eli probably would have gotten drafted over Carson Palmer and he went back .. certainly top seven 

 

Josh Allen was considered in the running for the top overall pick and he came back hurting his stock 

 

If there's one family that's never going to rush a quarterback for the pros it's the Manning family.. arch is getting 20 starts

Not to mention it’s not like these guys are struggling to get by at this point. Manning has the biggest NIL deal of anybody at this point. 

[Doc Brown]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Historical evidence shows the success rate of quarterbacks with less than 15-20 college starts is not that good.. the Manning family knows this 

 

Peyton Manning could have been the number one pick the year before came back.. Eli probably would have gotten drafted over Carson Palmer, certainly in the top five.. came back... Josh Allen could have been top five and came back 

 

It's all about having a successful NFL career which means he needs more college starts.. their plan was always for him to be on campus at least 4 years or more 

 

They definitely are not in a rush to make him jump ship to the NFL.. hes going to get seasoned

Peyton stayed his senior year because the Jets had the #1 pick in '97.  Eli after '03 was projected to go behind Palmer and Leftwich so he stayed another year.  Both did a good job of sugar coating their decision though.  Get a degree.  Blah, blah, blah. 

 

I agree that it's not likely Arch declares for the draft next year but if the Saints have the #1 pick it might be too hard to pass up.  The Giants and Colts could be in play too.  You never know what team's picking first in 2027.  He's actually the betting favorite at +200 to go #1 next year.  It'll be an interesting story to follow.  That's for sure.

Edited 14 hours ago by Doc Brown

[Thurman#1]

On 5/11/2025 at 5:11 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The Saints have said that they plan to do a competition between Hough, Rattler, and Haener - https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/kellen-moore-declares-open-qb-competition-among-tyler-shough-jake-haener-spencer-rattler

 

That might be lip service for now. But it might be true. One thing to keep in mind is Arch Manning is coming out in 2026. So teams may be bypassing on getting a QB that would win them some games this year in hopes that they can land him next offseason.

 

The Giants signing Winston, then signing Wilson, then Drafting Dart is kind of an odd situation. As was the Browns trading for Kenny Pickett, signing Joe Flacco, and then Drafting both Gabriel and Sanders. Both seem like situations where the QB situation is nowhere and they're just grabbing up everything they can to throw against a wall and see what sticks this year.

 

 

Manning may come out in 2026.

 

Or not.

 

We don't know.

 

Some other good young players may well be there.

[billsfan89]

6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Peyton stayed his senior year because the Jets had the #1 pick in '97.  Eli after '03 was projected to go behind Palmer and Leftwich so he stayed another year.  Both did a good job of sugar coating their decision though.  Get a degree.  Blah, blah, blah. 

 

I agree that it's not likely Arch declares for the draft next year but if the Saints have the #1 pick it might be too hard to pass up.  The Giants and Colts could be in play too.  You never know what team's picking first in 2027.  He's actually the betting favorite at +200 to go #1 next year.  It'll be an interesting story to follow.  That's for sure.

 

NIL is going to make college players a little more confident in staying another year if the teams that hold the number one pick aren't appealing situations. That being said I do think there's not going to be that many prospects (and let's be honest really just QB's) that go back for an extra year to avoid a particular team drafting them. Being the number one pick at QB pays well and it's something that signals a longer term commitment a NFL team has to you that makes you at minimum a three year commitment. Whereas you go to college and you get hurt that's it. The Manning family was able to make those decisions in the 90's and 00's to stay an extra year because having a wealthy or at least well off dad who knows the league helps. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Isn't Cousins under contract with Atlanta, who has not shown any public eagerness to move him so far? (Maybe I missed something)

 

He also has a full NTC.  I'm sure he'd love to play but i doubt Atlanta even cares with NO being in the same division and all.  

[Doc Brown]

58 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

NIL is going to make college players a little more confident in staying another year if the teams that hold the number one pick aren't appealing situations. That being said I do think there's not going to be that many prospects (and let's be honest really just QB's) that go back for an extra year to avoid a particular team drafting them. Being the number one pick at QB pays well and it's something that signals a longer term commitment a NFL team has to you that makes you at minimum a three year commitment. Whereas you go to college and you get hurt that's it. The Manning family was able to make those decisions in the 90's and 00's to stay an extra year because having a wealthy or at least well off dad who knows the league helps. 

I agree.  Except for the Manning's.

[billsfan89]

18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree.  Except for the Manning's.

 

There might be a couple others as NIL money makes it so that you have something to fall back on should you run into a serious injury. But it is only going to be a narrow range of QB prospects who are gonna have the luxury to be picky with landing spots. The guys who know if they wait a year at worst they will be a top 5 pick prospects that I think would have fit this bill in the last 10ish years Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck, and maybe Caleb Williams? That's about it. And of those players what maybe one of them wouldn't have liked their landing spot? It will be a situation that pops up once or twice a decade at worst. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

On 5/10/2025 at 3:11 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The Saints have said that they plan to do a competition between Hough, Rattler, and Haener - https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/kellen-moore-declares-open-qb-competition-among-tyler-shough-jake-haener-spencer-rattler

 

That might be lip service for now. But it might be true. One thing to keep in mind is Arch Manning is coming out in 2026. So teams may be bypassing on getting a QB that would win them some games this year in hopes that they can land him next offseason.

 

The Giants signing Winston, then signing Wilson, then Drafting Dart is kind of an odd situation. As was the Browns trading for Kenny Pickett, signing Joe Flacco, and then Drafting both Gabriel and Sanders. Both seem like situations where the QB situation is nowhere and they're just grabbing up everything they can to throw against a wall and see what sticks this year.

 

Daboll/Schoen need to win this year. And if they don't, they at least have to show some big potential from Dart in the 2nd half of the season. That's why they loaded up, they basically get those 2 shots to keep their jobs - either win or show a very promising future. They were lucky to even get this after the way the last 2 seasons went. 

[bigK14094]

On 5/10/2025 at 3:54 PM, Dafan said:

From what I understand with Cousins is he wanted to be traded but they refused.

Yeh, Penex may yet wash out.

22 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Winston threw 30 INTs the last time he was a full time starter.

 

Maybe that flies in 1980, but when anything over 15 is considered a lot these days, being double that just ain't going to ever work.

 

Would be like a guy in 1980 throwing 50 INTs.

Wow, worse than Fitz

[JP51]

On 5/10/2025 at 3:45 PM, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

 I think the Steelers are in a quandry, they need to get a franchise guy but Rodgers, Winston and even Cousins are not gonna be that... but they win too many games to really be in contention for a top pick...  So, I feel like they go with whom they have (unless a Rodgers comes in)  accumulate draft capital (Pickens trade etc..) and try to move up from middle of the pack to top 5-10 and get one.... in the mean time at least try to field a competitive team... but not be devastated if they go 6-11...  I just dont think they are looking  for a moderate upgrade that isnt gonna get them to the SB any sooner...   bottom line very confusing situation over there... and I felt like the Justin Fields combo with Wilson last year was to at least take thier shot at a potential top end qb... but now Fields is gone... maybe they were like, yeah.. but no... not our guy...  Lastly, is Tomlin... I feel like he is being set up to fail a bit here... 1 more year and if there is no progress he is gone and the new coach picks the new QB...  But in the end who knows what is going on over there...  

Edited 4 hours ago by JP51

[T master]

11 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Isn't Cousins under contract with Atlanta, who has not shown any public eagerness to move him so far? (Maybe I missed something)

Sorry, my bad, I had a elderly minute ... 

[JP51]

On 5/10/2025 at 6:44 PM, Dave_Bills said:

Dark dark times

I remember after 1 pre season game how Jeff Tuel was gonna be our new savior.... so dark... soooo dark... back then...