Big Badazz Beane on Pat McAfee today

[RoyBatty is alive]

Someone educate me on the discussion at the end about the size of the bison?  What are they talking about, sacrificial Bisons , the blue ones that event smoke?  Are they going to have them at the new stadium?

[JGMcD2]

35 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Going back to 2022, by the trade value chart the Chiefs have spent 432 points on WRs. The Bills by comparison have spent 206. So KC is literally investing more than double what we are. It isn't comparable prioritization at all. Adding UDFA graded prospects like Shorter and Prather doesn't balance the scales. And this shouldn't come as a surprise - it's established that the Bills invest less into the position than any other team.

 

Of their past 3 WRs drafted high, KC has one bust in Skyy Moore. That's a great hit rate, 2 out of 3. I agree with you that what we've gotten out of our WRs relative to the value we've spent on them has been strong. Davis was a very good 4th round pick and Shakir was an excellent 5th round pick. Diggs was a home run as a 1st round trade despite how it all ended. Coleman is TBD. I don't have an issue with how Beane scouts the position. I have an issue with how little he invests in young talent.

You’re actually reinforcing my point. Kansas City has invested 432 points on WRs, while Buffalo has only spent 206 points - less than half. Yet both teams have ended up with a similar number of genuinely productive receivers. That isn’t “balancing” the scales; it’s tipping them in Buffalo’s favor. If you’re paying twice as much in draft capital for essentially the same return, that is a case of diminishing returns. 

 

If Kansas City hits on one or two late-round receivers, they don't spend two 2nd-round picks and a 1st on a WR. If they hit on Skyy Moore, they wouldn't have drafted either Rice or Worthy. They had to keep investing in the position because they didn't secure a productive piece.

 

On the flip side, if Buffalo doesn't hit on Gabe Davis and Khalil Shakir, they're likely turning around and taking a WR high. In fact, they had to when things fell apart with Stefon Diggs and they let Davis walk in free agency. 

 

This stuff doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

Edited April 30 by JGMcD2

[HappyDays]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Yet both teams have ended up with a similar number of genuinely productive receivers.

 

But that just isn't true. Rashee Rice alone gives them a big advantage there. Before his injury he was looking like a true #1, possibly an elite #1. In his 3 games pre-injury he was tracking for over 1,600 yards on the season. I doubt he would have sustained that exact production over 17 games, but still they found an extremely talented and productive WR in the 2nd round because they kept throwing resources at the position.

[GaryPinC]

On 4/29/2025 at 12:30 PM, UKBillFan said:

I think that’s a weak argument. Drafting a WR doesn’t impact the budget any more than drafting another position. No one expected a WR in the first round. I believe most people are happy with the picks across the first two days. The questions are being asked about day three. No one is asking Beane to trade next three first round picks for Chase or anything like that. Just something different in the room. And perhaps it is still to come.

Yep, it's the draft.  Reasonably priced but undeveloped talent. I would think where you give something up is in second contracts.

 

I wish someone would ask Beane what he's changing in his approach so we don't have to keep using so much draft capital on DL with such mediocre results.  

[Warriorspikes51]

52 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But that just isn't true. Rashee Rice alone gives them a big advantage there. Before his injury he was looking like a true #1, possibly an elite #1. In his 3 games pre-injury he was tracking for over 1,600 yards on the season. I doubt he would have sustained that exact production over 17 games, but still they found an extremely talented and productive WR in the 2nd round because they kept throwing resources at the position.

it helps when your front office seeks out criminal players and gets rewarded for it.

 

Meanwhile, our players get suspended before the ink is dry on a contract for what? Having a trainer give them a substance they don’t know is banned?

 

Very annoying.  

Edited April 30 by Warriorspikes51

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

But that just isn't true. Rashee Rice alone gives them a big advantage there. Before his injury he was looking like a true #1, possibly an elite #1. In his 3 games pre-injury he was tracking for over 1,600 yards on the season. I doubt he would have sustained that exact production over 17 games, but still they found an extremely talented and productive WR in the 2nd round because they kept throwing resources at the position.

Before his injury, Keon Coleman was on pace to produce numbers similar to Xavier Worthy over a full 17-game season. If you're counting Worthy as a hit and applying nuance to Rashee Rice’s situation, then by the same logic, Keon should count as a third genuinely productive receiver for the Bills.

 

More importantly, the Bills are consistently finding useful wide receivers without having to throw premium resources at the position as often as the Chiefs. They’ve shown they don’t need a 1,600-yard receiver (Diggs) to average 30 points per game. That was the entire point behind Brandon Beane’s frustration earlier this week - they proved they could generate elite offensive output without a top-heavy WR room, and yet people are still acting like the sky is falling.

Edited April 30 by JGMcD2

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Before his injury, Keon Coleman was on pace to produce numbers similar to Xavier Worthy over a full 17-game season. If you're counting Worthy as a hit and applying nuance to Rashee Rice’s situation, then by the same logic, Keon should count as a third genuinely productive receiver for the Bills.

 

The Bills are finding productive WR without having to throw premium resources at the position as often as the Chiefs. 

 

I consider Worthy to have proven he isn't a bust at least. His floor has been set, his ceiling is still in question.

 

Coleman as much as I liked him as a prospect very well could turn out to be a bust. I'm in wait and see mode on him.

 

There's no comparison between Rice and any of the other WRs we're talking about. Unless the injury alters his career, or he proves to be too stupid to last in the NFL (which is certainly possible), he looks like a true #1 and a cornerstone of the Chiefs moving forward.

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Someone educate me on the discussion at the end about the size of the bison?  What are they talking about, sacrificial Bisons , the blue ones that event smoke?  Are they going to have them at the new stadium?

There will be 3 large bison statues in front of the new stadium. Original design showed they were huge. Later renditions have them much smaller  Most fans agree we want them bigger

[Ralonzo]

On 4/29/2025 at 2:51 PM, JGMcD2 said:

In that clip, Beane pulls back the curtain on their roster strategy. He felt it was a weak wide receiver class, and when they were on the clock, none of the options meaningfully upgraded their top four. So why spend draft capital on someone who might only be your fifth receiver when you're typically running 12 personnel or 6 OL? It’s a candid look at how they approached the board to fit their offense. 

 

You know where else people (or me at least) come to the same conclusion is just doing mock drafts. You operate like the GM, take into account the roster makeup, current FA acquisitions, length of contracts and after solving for that you see that at best the Bills were looking for a WR5/special teams guy with possible upside. I sure as hell wouldn't trade 3 day-2 picks for one of those like the Lions did. Just get someone in the 6th or 7th to compete.

[3rdand12]

19 hours ago, klos63 said:

Maybe, but they were really good last season without that. 

I'd love a great deep threat,  but,  at least for this offseason,  it's not the priority.  Defense is.

I just wanted Thornton. rest defense. Very reasonable ask I felt😋

But agreed I was and still am about getting the Defense to a new level starting up front. CB was a big need as well

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

it helps when your front office seeks out criminal players and gets rewarded for it.

 

Meanwhile, our players get suspended before the ink is dry on a contract for what? Having a trainer give them a substance they don’t know is banned?

 

Very annoying.  

 

lol, this might have been a small fig leave to hide behind.....20 years ago.

 

 

 

 

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

it helps when your front office seeks out criminal players and gets rewarded for it.

 

Meanwhile, our players get suspended before the ink is dry on a contract for what? Having a trainer give them a substance they don’t know is banned?

 

Very annoying.  

Its a gift 51 !

Those two will be fresh for the back half of the season , and the Playoffs !

[LABILLBACKER]

On 4/29/2025 at 11:50 AM, corta765 said:

 

Which I agree with.

 

The point which WGR made and also is 100% right is there was a good 2-3 year stretch where some truly good talented WRs came in and were available... and the Bills only made a move when their backs were against the wall (Keon) when they could've been aggressive to double down in the draft with another guy OR been aggressive for someone like Brian Thomas who they absolutely could've went and got.

 

I understand not moving picks for DK even if he was a dream fit. But this offense with Brian Thomas or Ladd etc.. feels much different then it does with Keon.

I've said this constantly over the last 2 years. Once we knew Stefon had reactivated diva mode, we should've been "uber" aggressive to find his replacement.  I thought BTJ was attainable.  And even DKM could've been considered more?  If Keon doesn't pan out, this wr room will have to be enhanced by Josh's greatness. I love that this draft was heavy D.  But there better be a moment real soon when Beane targets that speed WR1 that 17 deserves. 

[JGMcD2]

53 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I've said this constantly over the last 2 years. Once we knew Stefon had reactivated diva mode, we should've been "uber" aggressive to find his replacement.  I thought BTJ was attainable.  And even DKM could've been considered more?  If Keon doesn't pan out, this wr room will have to be enhanced by Josh's greatness. I love that this draft was heavy D.  But there better be a moment real soon when Beane targets that speed WR1 that 17 deserves. 

It wasn’t as simple as it might seem. The only trade between picks 12 and 23 was the Vikings trading up from 23 to 17 with the Jaguars. If the Bills wanted to get to 17 from 28, they would’ve needed to give up a lot of draft capital. Pick 28 was worth 660 points, while pick 17 was worth 950, meaning the Bills would’ve needed to add at least 290 points. To put that into perspective, that’s like offering a second-round pick and a late-round pick, or a third-rounder and a future second-round pick.
 

And this is exactly what Jacksonville did. They moved back just 6 spots, from 17 to 23, and still picked up a mid-third-rounder instead of a late second. For a trade to happen, both sides need to see value in it, and there’s no guarantee Jacksonville would’ve been willing to make that much of a move down the board.

[LABILLBACKER]

48 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

It wasn’t as simple as it might seem. The only trade between picks 12 and 23 was the Vikings trading up from 23 to 17 with the Jaguars. If the Bills wanted to get to 17 from 28, they would’ve needed to give up a lot of draft capital. Pick 28 was worth 660 points, while pick 17 was worth 950, meaning the Bills would’ve needed to add at least 290 points. To put that into perspective, that’s like offering a second-round pick and a late-round pick, or a third-rounder and a future second-round pick.
 

And this is exactly what Jacksonville did. They moved back just 6 spots, from 17 to 23, and still picked up a mid-third-rounder instead of a late second. For a trade to happen, both sides need to see value in it, and there’s no guarantee Jacksonville would’ve been willing to make that much of a move down the board.

I agree wholeheartedly.  It wouldn't have been a simple or easy trade up.  The Hill chart shows Jacksonville's pick worth 296.  Our pick was worth 216 and the 2nd round Cole Bishop pick at 88.  That puts the trade at 304. Then maybe Brandon sweetens the deal with a 2025 4th round pick. 

 

I wasn't overly impressed with Coleman or Bishop last year but it's just one season.  Hopefully they both take huge positive strides this year.  But I can't help but visualize Josh with BTJ for 8 years. Be bold, be aggressive,  take chances. They did it with Josh and it paid off with a lottery jackpot.

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

There will be 3 large bison statues in front of the new stadium. Original design showed they were huge. Later renditions have them much smaller  Most fans agree we want them bigger

Hopefully at least 15' high

[Ralonzo]

20 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Even in the context of immediate needs taking Tory Horton over Jordan Hancock makes sense. Cam Lewis is a better player than Tyrell Shavers or Laviska Shenault. We just gave him a 2 year contract last offseason, and now we're looking to replace him? But we're letting Shavers or Shenault end up on the roster? I don't understand that at all.

 

Deone Walker over Jalen Royals is still the move that I think has the most potential to haunt us, especially with KC taking Royals. You're lying to yourself if you're not at least a bit anxious about that outcome. All the arguments you're making about the Bills could have applied to the Chiefs too. Their WR room was Rice, Worthy, Brown, JuJu, plus their TEs Kelce and Gray. They could have left the room as is and let Justyn Ross compete with Tyquan Thornton for the #5 spot. Instead they gave Mahomes yet another young weapon to develop in the pipeline. They've added a WR with a 1st-4th round pick in each of the last four drafts. Personally I'd be looking to copy their formula, it seems to be working.

 

To me even more than the WR position, the biggest miss was not adding a LB better than Bail Inspector and I'm sure Chris Paul was the pick at 173 until the Rams snaked them. I can't think of a weaker link on the 53 based on ability and availability.