Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

This is kind of what I'm talking about. I've never said who I personally would like to score. I'm proud of all

our guys and how they performed last year. It was awesome to watch. But I can also have the opinion that if Josh had a receiver that can separate, he would be able to possibly be even more successful. I think it is perfectly fine to be on both sides here. This isn't a simple 1+1=2 b/w kind of situation. 
I understand draft order

I understand the money

I understand availability has a say

I understand not everyone is a pro owl or all pro

I understand our defense stunk. 
(a question for another day is how well they did in the playoffs when they didn't stink) 

I understand the historical markers the Bills make and consistently make. 

I get all that and yet, I can also wonder what it be like to have a little more skill at that position. 
It's all really simple if we just listen and hear what others are actually saying rather than lumping people into categories and sides. 
I would guess that not even half of the people commenting on what Beane said never actually listened to the WGR show that morning to understand the context of the 2 and a half hours leading up to Beane's comments. The guys in the show, for the most part liked the draft and what the team did. Beane reacted to 1 comment made and now everyone is taking sides. I won't do it but I will see both sides and agree with both sides in what each of them had to say. None of them were entirely wrong. 
I respect that you actually see stats and are knowledgeable about the team, so none of why I'm saying is directed at you. I dig this conversation a lot. I just don't think it's fair to lump everyone as one side or another, unless of course they are taking a hard stance then yeah go for it lol. I just think respectful conversation and debate is healthy and good. 

 

All good, and look, let me be clear about one thing, I would never be upset about adding to our WR room.  I was pounding the drum hard all offseason for Donte Thornton at 6'5", 4.3 speed, and what I felt was untapped potential to be more than the deep threat he has kind of been a 1 dimension guy at in college, all be it great at that one dimension.  He filled a gap for us even if just 1 dimensional with elite size/speed combo as a vertical guy, and his story and character are pretty incredible and very Bills like type person.  

 

But - there was no denying that defense was by far our biggest issue in all our playoff exits, especially this year...and this draft was really deep and good in areas of need on D while fairly light and week at WR.  Donte also went a pick before we picked and wasn't an option when we were on the clock.

 

I apologize if I lumped you into the irrational crowd, I don't think your takes here are irrational.  But there are people here who are grossly over exaggerating the situation because they do care more about how we score and function as an offense than they do the actual results of the offense.  They won't be happy until its a Madden style air it out offense, even though that isn't Allens strong suit.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Goin Breakdown]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

All good, and look, let me be clear about one thing, I would never be upset about adding to our WR room.  I was pounding the drum hard all offseason for Donte Thornton at 6'5", 4.3 speed, and what I felt was untapped potential to be more than the deep threat he has kind of been a 1 dimension guy at in college, all be it great at that one dimension.  He filled a gap for us even if just 1 dimensional with elite size/speed combo as a vertical guy, and his story and character are pretty incredible and very Bills like type person.  

 

But - there was no denying that defense was by far our biggest issue in all our playoff exits, especially this year...and this draft was really deep and good in areas of need on D while fairly light and week at WR.  Donte also went a pick before we picked and wasn't an option when we were on the clock.

 

I apologize if I lumped you into the irrational crowd, I don't think your takes here are irrational.  But there are people here who are grossly over exaggerating the situation because they do care more about how we score and function as an offense than they do the actual results of the offense.  They won't be happy until its a Madden style air it out offense, even though that isn't Allens strong suit.

We're good man. I do enjoy your insight and info shared when giving your views. It's helps to put things in perspective.
So I think you may have more eloquently stated how I feel   There a limit to my expectations of when and how potentially great players are obtained. This probably wasn't the year or the class to get on Beanes case. 
I think Beanes draft got sniped a couple times. He said if the board fell where value was at WR he would have grabbed a guy. 
Thornton would have been nice. 

[Big Turk]

Not sure...would have to see their squat, deadlift and bench press numbers to say for sure 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

They’re not going back to the 2021 version of the offense where Josh Allen threw the ball 646 times. It’ll probably land somewhere between the 480 attempts from last season and the 560 range of the two years before that.

 

There are about 92 targets to replace with the departures of Mack Hollins, Amari Cooper, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, and Quintin Morris. Even if you bump that number up to 170 (gets you to the 160 ATT from Allen), Josh Palmer likely takes up half of that on his own. That leaves around 85 targets to spread among Shakir, Samuel, Coleman, and Kincaid - all of whom missed time last year and are in line for increased target share. And that’s before factoring in whoever ends up as TE3, plus Ty Johnson, James Cook, and the rest of the backfield. Those targets won’t sit around unused for long.

 

Agreed and quite honestly, I would rather see the targets that were going to Mack (blocking & dirty work specialist) and the Ghost of Cooper go to guys like Keon, Kincaid, Shakir, Palmer, and now Moore, not to mention Knox and RB's...anyway.  

 

To me, the weapons are better this year heading into the season (Palmer, Moore plus Keon/Samuel/Kincaid now healthy, and Keon having a year of experience) than where we were when we last saw the Bills walking off the field. 

[rafter]

On 4/27/2025 at 8:52 AM, LEBills said:

Exactly. Josh and the offense are subsidizing the defense.

Since Josh was drafted, in the first 3 rounds we have drafted 4 DTs, 4 DEs, 3 LBs and 2 CBs (both firsts). In that same timeframe we have drafted 1 WR, 2 TEs and 3 RBs (two no longer with team and the other, second best player on offense is in a contract battle).

 

People say we don’t need better players bc the offense was already legendary last year. It took a Herculean, MVP effort from Josh to get there. And in the end when Josh needed a player to step up when he didn’t make a perfect defensive read, the game was lost. But because a defense that has had so many resources poured into it sucked, we have to do it again instead of making an honest effort to improve both sides of the ball.

 

I loved the first three rounds of the draft. But then not even trying to get Josh a weapon until the last pick in the draft is malpractice. There is no new talent in the pipeline so that if Keon or Kincaid don’t progress and if Palmer and Samuel are who they have always been, the team has nothing at least being developed behind the underwhelming cast. Which is exactly how we got to this spot when we never drafted anyone when Diggs was here.

I type this like this will get to Beane, it won’t. This is who the Bills are. I’m just frustrated as a fan because I want what is best for the Bills and feel like giving Josh good talent on the offense is what would be best bc I trust him more than our coaches to get the most out of players. 
 

Go Bills, pay James Cook.

 

Second best player is Dawkins and its not even close.

They've invested in the o-line. Not enough picks and money to everywhere.  Hopefully the revamped D gets Josh back on the field faster.

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

It's true that he doesn't prepare like Brady and needs more help.

 

But Brady also had championship caliber defenses that held his opponents to an average of 20 points in their 6 Super Bowl victories. 

 

In the Bills 5 loses since 2020 the Defense has given up an average of 33 points. 

 

Giving Allen more help also includes giving him a championship caliber defense so he only has to score 21-24 points to win a Super Bowl. 

 

 

In this century the average defensive rank of teams that won the SB is about 8th.   

 

So that's what championship caliber looks like.

 

The Bills have had better than "championship caliber" defense's more often than not in Josh Allen's playoff career.   

 

But no matter their rank and skill level on D the McDefense's have always played badly in the end on defense.

 

And Josh Allen's offense's have failed in the clutch with the ball in his hands and a chance to win the game first against Houston and now two consecutive years against KC and they also had horrific performances in defeat in between against KC(2020) and Cinci(2022).    

 

Josh Allen only finished strong in 1 of his 6 playoff defeats(13 seconds) but for some reason we give his offense a pass despite not getting it done in the clutch.  

 

 I say "his" offense because, like McD on D, Allen is the constant on offense.      

 

Organizationally they play poorly in the playoffs.   They gotta' get better on BOTH sides of the ball in the playoffs.

 

[LEBills]

8 minutes ago, rafter said:

 

Second best player is Dawkins and its not even close.

They've invested in the o-line. Not enough picks and money to everywhere.  Hopefully the revamped D gets Josh back on the field faster.

I was talking about skill possession players but was not clear I suppose. Yes football is a balancing act. Having good skill position players is part of that balance. I hope what we have will be good enough and hope we are able to continue building it like we have other parts of the team. Pay James Cook.