stlbills13 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 If Alec Anderson moves inside to guard or center after this season, I could Hawes playing that 6OL role going forward. But for this year he's in the Q Morris heavy role and his offensive stats may look something like 6 catches 39 yards and a touchdown Quote
WideNine Posted April 28 Posted April 28 (edited) On 4/26/2025 at 12:35 PM, ExWNYer said: Athletic, blocking TE 3. From all accounts a beast blocking, a nasty streak and the best in this class for those tangibles. This brings something we have not had from that position for quite a while. Finesse route-running and receiving TEs we already have a-plenty. This fills a positional need that may allow for some more flexibility out of similar personnel grouping, or think of those short yardage and goal line packages where the Bills bring in Alec Anderson as that 6th lineman where you add this guy too. He should be fun to watch and be a great asset to outside or split zone runs and special teams too. I am pretty excited about what these new guys and FAs may add to our Bills who were already pretty good last year...with the exception of those defensive gaps Beane really focused on shoring up. Edited April 28 by WideNine 1 Quote
LEBills Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Hopeful he can unseat Gilliam too in addition to filling QMorris’ role and free up a roster spot elsewhere like on the DLine 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted April 29 Posted April 29 43 minutes ago, LEBills said: Hopeful he can unseat Gilliam too in addition to filling QMorris’ role and free up a roster spot elsewhere like on the DLine Gilliam’s $2m salary is guaranteed this season…leads me to think it’s likely he is still on the team in 2025 …. Quote
WideNine Posted April 29 Posted April 29 10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Gilliam’s $2m salary is guaranteed this season…leads me to think it’s likely he is still on the team in 2025 …. Gives this kid a year to ramp up with some depth. We have not had a physical blocking TE since Lee Smith. Not sure Daboll, or Dorsey really would have gotten too much out of that kind of role in their offenses, but Joe Brady likes creating mismatches at the LOS with personnel groupings, alignment, and motion and seems to be on the same page with Kromer. 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted April 29 Posted April 29 22 hours ago, White Linen said: His explosion grades are outstanding. If I'm reading it correctly, that's the broad and vertical jump. Clearly this kids got crazy strong legs. His size didn't hurt him and kept him in the conversation to post a good RAS. His speed scores are poor and possibly very poor, if I had a bit more time to research. Here's the real issue. He didn't qualify for agility. It appears he didn't qualify because he didn't perform or for whatever reason didn't record his 3 cone score. He did record a poor shuttle, which is part of the agility, so it was not headed in a good direction for posting a good agility score. Because he didn't qualify, it didn't factor in or in other words, didn't hurt him. It was about to with that lower end shuttle. So his explosion really became the reason and the only reason he scored high. He's strong - but not athletic. Problem with your conclusion is that size and strength very much are part of the athleticism equation in football. Being bigger and stronger in such a leverage-based contact sport IS necessarily better. So explosiveness at a larger size = athleticism (in part). He's not terribly fast, for sure. And I guess we don't about agility scores. But being big, strong, and explosive is a nice trifecta for a Y/F TE coming in to block and play teams (and run a few routes here and there). 1 Quote
White Linen Posted April 29 Posted April 29 48 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Problem with your conclusion is that size and strength very much are part of the athleticism equation in football. Being bigger and stronger in such a leverage-based contact sport IS necessarily better. So explosiveness at a larger size = athleticism (in part). He's not terribly fast, for sure. And I guess we don't about agility scores. But being big, strong, and explosive is a nice trifecta for a Y/F TE coming in to block and play teams (and run a few routes here and there). I just don't think you're being fair. Only 3 of the 4 quadrants counted because he didn't qualify. 50% of the 4th quadrant was scored and it was going to seriously reduce his RAS. I don't understand what your issue is with my evaluation of the data and him. I said his explosion is outstanding and he has decent size. The other two factors are poor. You made up your own trifecta, not RAS. Big, strong and explosive are not 3 (tri) of the 4 quadrants. You said his high RAS is an indicator he's athletic in comparison to his peers. It's not,.there's not a problem with my understanding of the data, in which you believe in. You tell me why the data says he's on the top end of athleticism and use all 4 quadrants. Quote
Richard Noggin Posted April 29 Posted April 29 10 minutes ago, White Linen said: I just don't think you're being fair. Only 3 of the 4 quadrants counted because he didn't qualify. 50% of the 4th quadrant was scored and it was going to seriously reduce his RAS. I don't understand what your issue is with my evaluation of the data and him. I said his explosion is outstanding and he has decent size. The other two factors are poor. You made up your own trifecta, not RAS. Big, strong and explosive are not 3 (tri) of the 4 quadrants. You said his high RAS is an indicator he's athletic in comparison to his peers. It's not,.there's not a problem with my understanding of the data, in which you believe in. You tell me why the data says he's on the top end of athleticism and use all 4 quadrants. Your explanation continues to evolve and become more convincing, if I'm being honest. I was initially arguing only a strict statistical rebuttal to your claim of "very average" athleticism. The published RAS is nearly a quartile above average. That's irrefutable. However, you continue to erode my faith in that metric for Hawes, and now I'm sad. Thanks. 1 Quote
White Linen Posted April 29 Posted April 29 45 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Your explanation continues to evolve and become more convincing, if I'm being honest. I was initially arguing only a strict statistical rebuttal to your claim of "very average" athleticism. The published RAS is nearly a quartile above average. That's irrefutable. However, you continue to erode my faith in that metric for Hawes, and now I'm sad. Thanks. I think you make excellent points about Hawes and he can play in the NFL as a blocking TE. I was originally doubtful he can make the 53, but I hadn't considered the possibility of moving on from Gilliam and/or Davidson. With the new kickoff rules, he may be able to play special teams with less distance to run and just using his explosion. He's an interesting prospect but he's definitely going to need to overcome some shortcomings. In the NFL, these men are strong and athletic. 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted April 30 Posted April 30 21 hours ago, White Linen said: I think you make excellent points about Hawes and he can play in the NFL as a blocking TE. I was originally doubtful he can make the 53, but I hadn't considered the possibility of moving on from Gilliam and/or Davidson. With the new kickoff rules, he may be able to play special teams with less distance to run and just using his explosion. He's an interesting prospect but he's definitely going to need to overcome some shortcomings. In the NFL, these men are strong and athletic. 1 Quote
Redblood Posted April 30 Posted April 30 Seems like an odd pick to me. On 4/26/2025 at 2:36 PM, H2o said: I'm so done with this team. OK, not really I know how you feel On 4/26/2025 at 2:36 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said: Watching ESPN's coverage I thought I heard it announced as "lineman" in the background But the the bottom had him listed as TE I think he is definitely a dedicated blocker at the TE posit Quote
Doc Posted April 30 Posted April 30 8 hours ago, Redblood said: Seems like an odd pick to me. I know how you feel I think he is definitely a dedicated blocker at the TE posit Why? Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 30 Posted April 30 (edited) On 4/28/2025 at 4:29 PM, stlbills13 said: If Alec Anderson moves inside to guard or center after this season, I could Hawes playing that 6OL role going forward. But for this year he's in the Q Morris heavy role and his offensive stats may look something like 6 catches 39 yards and a touchdown Morris offensive role - he's either subbing in for someone who's injured/banged up, they're running the ball, or its some type of sub-package specific thing... and he's likely blocking in a lot of those. I think he only ran like 50 routes on 200 snaps in 2024. I like the pick - continues to build on the physical nature of the team. Edited April 30 by Bleeding Bills Blue 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted April 30 Posted April 30 I think the general idea is he can save the Bills roster spots down the road. He can be TE3, FB(Gilliam), Andersons jumbo package role, and Special teams. If he can do all that and be cheap, that’s good cost effectiveness down the line 1 2 Quote
Mark Long Beach Posted April 30 Posted April 30 4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: I think the general idea is he can save the Bills roster spots down the road. He can be TE3, FB(Gilliam), Andersons jumbo package role, and Special teams. If he can do all that and be cheap, that’s good cost effectiveness down the line Fingers crossed that he can be a cheaper Knox replacement down the road. There's a chance he can prove to have decent enough hands to be a good enough outlet receiver. It's not like Knox lit it up in college and lately not much in Pros. IF he can provide good enough play he will replace Knox (next year or so) at a much cheaper rate with Kincaid still being the primary TE receiver. 1 Quote
boyst Posted April 30 Posted April 30 On 4/28/2025 at 11:07 PM, WideNine said: Gives this kid a year to ramp up with some depth. We have not had a physical blocking TE since Lee Smith. As long as he is not running down field routes on 4th downs in the playoffs he can be Lee Smith. Quote
Simon Posted April 30 Author Posted April 30 On 4/28/2025 at 4:29 PM, stlbills13 said: If Alec Anderson moves inside to guard or center after this season, I could Hawes playing that 6OL role going forward. I could see him taking that role from Anderson whether Alec moves inside or not. Hawes is a better athlete, probably almost as strong, every bit as mean and probably 1,000x smarter. 25 minutes ago, boyst said: As long as he is not running down field routes on 4th downs in the playoffs he can be Lee Smith. For his next trick he was going to fool everybody by running a toss play for Knox to the short side on 4th and 7. 1 1 Quote
WideNine Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, boyst said: As long as he is not running down field routes on 4th downs in the playoffs he can be Lee Smith. Despite the highlight reel someone pieced together for him catching passes downfield, I don't expect him to be much of a downfield threat. We have TEs for that. Opposing teams forgetting about him usually blocking and him slipping out for a quick few yards to move the chains I could see. Edited May 1 by WideNine 1 Quote
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