The North Carolina/Belichick Thread 2025

[Captain_Quint]

[Gregg]

Wow the difference with Brady and without is huge.

 

 

𝗧𝗥𝗨𝗘 𝗢𝗥 𝗙𝗔𝗟𝗦𝗘: Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

Bill's record:

- Without Brady (84-103)
- With Brady (249-75)

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— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) September 2, 2025

 

I would still take Bill over McDermott as HC as his record with an elite level QB is very impressive. Granted Brady is the GOAT, but Allen is a lot closer to Brady than Mac Jones. 

[thenorthremembers]

42 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Wow the difference with Brady and without is huge.

 

 

𝗧𝗥𝗨𝗘 𝗢𝗥 𝗙𝗔𝗟𝗦𝗘: Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

Bill's record:

- Without Brady (84-103)
- With Brady (249-75)

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— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) September 2, 2025

 

I would still take Bill over McDermott as HC as his record with an elite level QB is very impressive. Granted Brady is the GOAT, but Allen is a lot closer to Brady than Mac Jones. 

 

You'd take Bill Belichick over McDermott today?   He just got beat by TcU 48-14, and you trust him to coach against Baltimore in the NFL over McDermott?

 

The McDermott hate on this board is to the point of nonsense. 

 

Belichick is toast and an absolute embarrassment right now. 

Edited September 3 by thenorthremembers

[Royale with Cheese]

16 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He also won 11 games with Matt Cassle

 

His defensive numbers are by far the best ever 

 

Carroll is a tremendous coach not knocking ... 15-20 years in any place and your message gets old

 

Andy Reid just got blown out in a super bowl... Bill belichick never did and Bill belichick would have had that Chiefs team better prepared 

 

I truly believe Bill belichick is absolutely the greatest coach I've ever seen.. everybody loses their magic eventually 

 

I also don't think Pete Carol is a top five coach anymore.. Bill had one really bad last year in New England 

 

10-7 8-9 with two not great rosters and his bad year... 7-10, 9-8-9-8 for Carrol with a better roster 

 

I think it's more who they were dealing with then straight up there coaching prowess

 

Now I didn't think North Carolina was going to get blown out yesterday but I also don't think that's indicative on Bill belichick's 40 plus year career.. TCU was in the national championship game two years ago Gio Lopez was at South Alabama last year

 

Todd Haley won the AFCW with Matt Cassel as his starting QB.

 

Belicheck avoided a blowout because Tom Brady.  The final 4 drives on the Falcons game, Brady led them to 4 straight scoring drives.

Belicheck is 84-104 without Brady.

 

I don't think Pete Carroll is a top 5 coach anymore but he's still effective.  Belicheck isn't.

 

[Gregg]

11 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

You'd take Bill Belichick over McDermott today?   He just got beat by TcU 48-14, and you trust him to coach against Baltimore in the NFL over McDermott?

 

The McDermott hate on this board is to the point of nonsense. 

 

Belichick is toast and an absolute embarrassment right now. 

 

For the record I don't hate McDermott. Bill's problem with NE was his role as GM which he sucked at. But he can coach. He doesn't belong in college football. IMHO. I do think he would do better with Allen, and this Bills roster than McDermott. Compare Bill and Sean records when both have had an elite level QB. Nothing personal against Sean but he is not even remotely close to Bill as a HC. The records and championships or lack of championships proves that.

Edited September 3 by Gregg

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

For the record I don't hate McDermott. Bill's problem with NE was his role as GM which he sucked at. But he can coach. He doesn't belong in college football. IMHO. I do think he would do better with Allen, and this Bills roster than McDermott. Compare Bill and Sean records when both have had an elite level QB. Nothing personal against Sean but he is not even remotely close to Bill as a HC. The records and championships or lack of championships proves that.

 

Bill Belichick didnt have an elite level Quarterback.  He had "thee elite level QB."  He had the maybe the greatest champion to ever play team sports. 

 

Josh is going to end up the greatest Bills QB of all time, but we still have to debate whether he is the best player at his position in one time period.   It shouldn't even be an argument as to whether Tom Brady is literally the best player at his position from every time period.   

 

Belichick knows more about football than anyone on Earth.   That said, he couldn't get a job in the NFL because he is no longer a great coach.  He proved that against TcU.   Coaching is more than knowing the game of football.     As a coach he is cooked.   Not to mention the circus he's made his personal life into. 

 

If McDermott had Tom Brady in the AFC Championship, with 3 minutes left and the ball, the Bills are likely Super Bowl bound.   If Belichick had Allen in the same situation, what changes from last year?    I understand this is a Bills message board, but Brady was on another planet when it came to picking a part a defense. 

 

 

[Gregg]

7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Bill Belichick didnt have an elite level Quarterback.  He had "thee elite level QB."  He had the maybe the greatest champion to ever play team sports. 

 

Josh is going to end up the greatest Bills QB of all time, but we still have to debate whether he is the best player at his position in one time period.   It shouldn't even be an argument as to whether Tom Brady is literally the best player at his position from every time period.   

 

Belichick knows more about football than anyone on Earth.   That said, he couldn't get a job in the NFL because he is no longer a great coach.  He proved that against TcU.   Coaching is more than knowing the game of football.     As a coach he is cooked.   Not to mention the circus he's made his personal life into. 

 

If McDermott had Tom Brady in the AFC Championship, with 3 minutes left and the ball, the Bills are likely Super Bowl bound.   If Belichick had Allen in the same situation, what changes from last year?    I understand this is a Bills message board, but Brady was on another planet when it came to picking a part a defense. 

 

 

 

I think the one big difference is Bill would provide Allen with a better defense to help him. Brady had a good D with him in NE. In the McDermott era I can think of two games where the Bills defense played well in the playoffs. The time they broke the streak and went to Jacksonville in the WC game but lost 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor as QB. The other time was the covid playoff game against the Ravens with 6,700 fans only allowed in the stadium. They shut down Jackson and Ravens highlighted by the 100-yard pick 6. Outside of those two games I can't recall a game where the D was good in the playoffs. It's the main reason the Bills haven't gotten to a Super Bowl.

Edited September 3 by Gregg

[thenorthremembers]

23 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I think the one big difference is Bill would provide Allen with a better defense to help him. Brady had a good D with him in NE. In the McDermott era I can think of two games where the Bills defense played well in the playoffs. The time they broke the streak and went to Jacksonville in the WC game but lost 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor as QB. The other time was the covid playoff game against the Ravens with 6,700 fans only allowed in the stadium. They shut down Jackson and Ravens highlighted by the 100-yard pick 6. Outside of those two games I can't recall a game where the D was good in the playoffs. It's the main reason the Bills haven't gotten to a Super Bowl.

 

Bill Belichick's defenses have given up an average of 20.7 points a game in his playoff career.   Sean McDermott's defenses have given up an average of 22.2 points a game in the playoffs.  McDermott's defenses have kept opponents under 20 points in 6 of his 14 playoff games.   You can let a narrative get in the way of reality if you want, but the truth of the matter is Bill Belichick won multiple Super Bowls because he had the better Quarterback in almost every playoff game.  Sure he won some games by playing sound defense.   But, the equalizer was Brady.    The Bills havent won a Super Bowl in the Allen era because of a few different reasons.   A special teams and defensive meltdown, a kicker meltdown, and a QB meltdown when Allen didnt recognize a blitz.  Its not all on the defense.  McDermott is an easy scapegoat because everyone loves Josh.     Its not 1999 anymore, defense doesnt win championships.   Outscoring your opponent's wins championships.   To date, Josh has not been able to do that when facing Mahomes.    Likely because Mahomes is closer to Brady than Josh is. 

 

The original argument was whether Belichick was better "today" than McDermott.  You say he would be because he would bring a better defense.   You say this despite the fact that the last defense Belichick took into the playoffs gave up 47 points to...a McDermott coached football team.    

[Buffalo716]

59 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Todd Haley won the AFCW with Matt Cassel as his starting QB.

 

Belicheck avoided a blowout because Tom Brady.  The final 4 drives on the Falcons game, Brady led them to 4 straight scoring drives.

Belicheck is 84-104 without Brady.

 

I don't think Pete Carroll is a top 5 coach anymore but he's still effective.  Belicheck isn't.

 

While all of that is true.. Todd Haley got cassel after getting developed by belichick and company... He never even played a college snap!

 

I do not think he would have had a long career if he did not wind up with Bill... Who knows how to maximize and develop ball players... a coach also has to keep the team mentally in the game when they're getting their butt whooped... Something the Patriots were able to do with Bill 

 

Cassell had his best statistical and av season with patriots in his 1 year starting 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

While all of that is true.. Todd Haley got cassel after getting developed by belichick and company... He never even played a college snap!

 

I do not think he would have had a long career if he did not wind up with Bill... Who knows how to maximize and develop ball players... a coach also has to keep the team mentally in the game when they're getting their butt whooped... Something the Patriots were able to do with Bill 

 

Cassell had his best statistical and av season with patriots in his 1 year starting 

 

It's very close to what he did in KC.

The year they won the AFCW, Cassel threw 27 TD/7 INT's.  That was his best TD/INT ratio of his career.  Most TD's of his career in one season.  Highest QB rating of his career.

[nuklz2594]

Nil, transfer portal..Saban said nope. 

[Mark Vader]

On 4/25/2025 at 6:20 PM, JPPT1974 said:

Really wonder if age will be a factor with BB in North Carolina but also so can in experience.

Age wasn't a factor when North Carolina hired Mack Brown.

[eball]

So, obviously not the start many envisioned for the UNC/Belichick experiment, but not completely unexpected either with a 70-player turnaround.  I think they'll give him at least 3 years (if he wants to stay that long) so turn things around.

 

[Low Positive]

5 hours ago, eball said:

So, obviously not the start many envisioned for the UNC/Belichick experiment, but not completely unexpected either with a 70-player turnaround.  I think they'll give him at least 3 years (if he wants to stay that long) so turn things around.

 

He'll be the Falcons coach come January. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

I was at the game and I was hiding from the sun for a while with my wife and his GF was standing about 15 feet from me. She had a bodyguard and did not talk to anyone except the bodyguard for at least 20 minutes. I don't understand them at all

[Mikie2times]

On 9/3/2025 at 10:51 AM, thenorthremembers said:

 

Bill Belichick's defenses have given up an average of 20.7 points a game in his playoff career.   Sean McDermott's defenses have given up an average of 22.2 points a game in the playoffs.  McDermott's defenses have kept opponents under 20 points in 6 of his 14 playoff games.   You can let a narrative get in the way of reality if you want, but the truth of the matter is Bill Belichick won multiple Super Bowls because he had the better Quarterback in almost every playoff game.  Sure he won some games by playing sound defense.   But, the equalizer was Brady.    The Bills havent won a Super Bowl in the Allen era because of a few different reasons.   A special teams and defensive meltdown, a kicker meltdown, and a QB meltdown when Allen didnt recognize a blitz.  Its not all on the defense.  McDermott is an easy scapegoat because everyone loves Josh.     Its not 1999 anymore, defense doesnt win championships.   Outscoring your opponent's wins championships.   To date, Josh has not been able to do that when facing Mahomes.    Likely because Mahomes is closer to Brady than Josh is. 

 

The original argument was whether Belichick was better "today" than McDermott.  You say he would be because he would bring a better defense.   You say this despite the fact that the last defense Belichick took into the playoffs gave up 47 points to...a McDermott coached football team.    

I mean, Bill had to go deeper, consistently. Literally, ALL of the positive stats on our playoff defense are from the Wild Card round facing the likes of Skyler Thompson, Mason Rudolph, etc. Our PPG is fairly horrific outside of the wild card round. We, like Bill, also have the best quarterback. Unlike Bill, it just doesn't matter. 

Edited September 26 by Mikie2times

[SirAndrew]

On 9/25/2025 at 3:09 PM, Low Positive said:

He'll be the Falcons coach come January. 

I’d be shocked if Belichick ever coached in the NFL again. He’s not winning at UNC, which could be a sign his years as a relevant coach are behind him. It’s common for people who were once great at something to not have it anymore. That’s not even mentioning the circus he brings. Belichick, the grumpy disciplinarian coach has allowed his girlfriend to become a sideshow. Any NFL team that’s comfortable with that situation would be crazy. 

[Low Positive]

Boy, that Belichick is really revolutionizing college football.