The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't disagree with what you are saying, however, Coleman didn't have character concerns coming out, in fact, it was one of the things people loved about him.  Everything about him seemed to show the drive to be great.  So hard to pin that on the FO, I mean every year guys get drafted who don't have known character issues in college where their mental toughness in that way hadn't really been tested or had a chance to show.  

 

Unless they have gone through it already, it is really difficult to know is how they will react when not getting what they expect, not having the role they envision, etc when they may not have faced similar situations in college.

 

I think Colemans big issue is he is passionate and emotional and he wears those emotions on his sleeve.  And that can be a great thing or it can be an anchor on their career.  Look at Pickens, he had similar issues in Pitt to what Coleman has IMO on the character and personality side of things.  For the Steelers, they got rid of Pickens (despite the desperate need at WR) because of how poor his effort was when not getting the ball, the locker room and off field issues that plagued him when he was sulking about his role.  It affected his play, his energy, his effort, etc. because he felt he should be a bigger part of the offense, he should be getting more targets, etc.  

 

Pickens himself said he was very immature and had to grow up in that category, and now look at what he is doing in Dallas.  Of course its EASY for Pickens to say the right things now with him getting the ball so much which is what he wanted, so we don't know if he will revert back to his old ways if say his role diminishes there again.  But right now, hes out there playing balls to the wall because he is getting rewarded on the field for it, and will be getting rewarded in his bank account now too over it.  

 

Coleman seems to be seriously struggling with his role right now, and I think his immaturity and emotions are impacting his consistent effort and play as a result.  The tape doesn't lie, how he was playing end of that Ravens game is not the same film he is putting down right now, not even close.  I am NOT making excuses for him, he needs to get past this crap or we need to move on, plain and simple.  The potential to be a good football player IMHO is there for him still, but he hasn't learned how to be a pro yet.  And if he doesn't figure that out fast, I think his train is on the fast track to derailing in Buffalo and will be gone this offseason.  

 

 

George Pickens still has plenty of people in the Dallas organization who are Leary of paying him lol

 

He is literally 3 weeks away from going back to a malcontent 

 

No way he's a cowboy for 5 years even if he inks a deal... He's projecting an image for a deal 

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo716

[without a drought]

Is either team happy?

[prissythecat]

Why would teams have to come up with a special scheme  for a guy whose production in terms of yardage ranks him in the 40s among NFL receivers ?

[Alphadawg7]

Its funny watching all these people rant about Keon being a bust when most of them were on their soap boxes on draft night screaming to draft someone else who is also a bust so far between Worthy, Legette, Adonai, Franklin, etc.  Very few people were saying we should take Ladd, I know because I had him as WR5 behind BTJ and people kept arguing with me that it was one of those other guys.  But, I never thought we would take Ladd with his natural position being the slot and that literally being the only WR position we had filled up.  I was terrified Ladd was going to go to the Chiefs at end of the round, and pretty much expected it to be honest.  But they moved up for Worthy and I was relieved it wasn't Ladd as I thought it was going to be Ladd when the trade was announced.  

 

Looking at the draft, the guy I thought they might take over a WR when we were on the clock, Cooper DeJean, is who we should have taken.  I loved Cooper, and I figured our FO and Coaches would love Cooper with his versatility, so I legit thought he could be the pick at the top of the 2nd then go WR after.  But I still figured WR was slightly more likely given the loss of our top 2 WR's in one offseason.  And honestly, I would have gone WR too just given the need and having Allen.  But man, Cooper looked so tempting sitting there and I have a redo, that is my pick, not Ladd.  

 

 

[Tulsabillsfanz]

2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Watching Coleman, in the snow he was very tentative with his movement.  I think that played a factor in any route beyond quick slants for him.

I hope it was just the snow. He also appeared unwilling or unaware to make any effort to get away from his defender on Josh scramble/rollouts.  I don’t understand any receiver not doing anything possible to get open on a Josh Allen scramble play. I thought every receiver wants the ball thrown to them. 

[Alphadawg7]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

George Pickens still has plenty of people in the Dallas organization who are Leary of paying him lol

 

He is literally 3 weeks away from going back to a malcontent 

 

No way he's a cowboy for 5 years even if he inks a deal... He's projecting an image for a deal 

 

And that is certainly the risk with him.  What happens if CeeDee dominates the touches, I am not convinced he will be the merry player he is trying to present himself to be right now either.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Tulsabillsfanz said:

I hope it was just the snow. He also appeared unwilling or unaware to make any effort to get away from his defender on Josh scramble/rollouts.  I don’t understand any receiver not doing anything possible to get open on a Josh Allen scramble play. I thought every receiver wants the ball thrown to them. 

 

I will add his effort has looked like this in non-snow games too.  It wasn't unique to this game, albeit, this game it stood out a lot more.  But the scramble drill thing should be where he excels with Allen and you can see on the tape the effort just isn't there.  He looks like he is just watching to see what happens and doesn't seem to really react unless he sees Josh look at him or something but then its too late.  The moment he sees Josh scrambling he needs to be working his way back into his vision and find a soft spot in the defense to get the ball.  But he kind of stands there or slows from a run to a trot at end or top of his route while just seeing what happens.  Its unacceptable effort and I think its a big part of what got him benched.  

[Kelly to Allen]

Coleman will be inactive once palmer is healthy and especially when Hardman gets back imo

 

In the playoffs my 6 active wrs are 

 

Palmer 

Big game Gabe 

Shakir 

Shavers 

Cooks

Hardman - return man

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[R.O.]

I think people forget how young Coleman is; he will be 23 in May.

 

He definitely has talent, as he was supposed to be the #1 WR coming into his draft year. Obviously, that didn't happen, and he really underperformed. 

 

Hopefully, he takes this experience into the offseason and gets some maturity, as he can be a good "Box out" WR.

 

Still need to draft a #1 this year.

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, R.O. said:

I think people forget how young Coleman is; he will be 23 in May.

 

He definitely has talent, as he was supposed to be the #1 WR coming into his draft year. Obviously, that didn't happen, and he really underperformed. 

 

Hopefully, he takes this experience into the offseason and gets some maturity, as he can be a good "Box out" WR.

 

Still need to draft a #1 this year.

 

Do you think he will still be active if Palmer is back and they go 6 wrs?

[EmotionallyUnstable]

The most frustrating thing to me is not a physical limitation, because despite being widely criticized for being slow, it really isn’t his speed that has impacted his production.

 

Looking back at the game from Sunday, this incompletion that was nearly picked - Olson nailed it on the broadcast - he telegraphed his break at the top of the route, making it obvious by declaring what he was doing, almost gearing down and slowing into his break. You can try to say it was the snow but it is a reoccurring theme: the nuance in his routes are non-existent.

 

If you want to see what this SHOULD look like, check out Jameson Williams. It’s a different route, vs different coverage, with different field conditions but the concept of the break is the same. Notice the break at the top from 60 to 0 in a flash (top of the screen)

These type of routes will continue to be useless if he cannot learn the intricacies of route running. 
 

Looking at two completions: 

1) He completed a little stick route in zone coverage for 8 yards. 

 

2)  slant by the goal line was one step and go. 

 

The best thing the Bills and Coleman can do to get the most out of him is to make him deliberate and as straight with his routes as possible. (drag, over, bang, slant, post, go). Anything with a quick and sharp change in direction or speed (out, dig, curl, hook, hitch, choice) is likely going to be easily covered because of his tendency to show his hand at the break. 

[Charles Romes]

We won the Worthy trade by drafting a speed corner to follow Worthy around. Neither Worthy nor Coleman are number 1 receivers. But we drafted what will be a number 1 corner late in the first as a result of the trade.  

[Rocky Landing]

This season especially, Bills WRs are expected to block. Coleman blocks, and he's pretty good at it. Worthy, not so much.

 

I haven't watched a ton of Chiefs football this season, but with the injuries they've sustained on their O-line, I can understand how Worthy isn't seeing the field lately. Be that as it may, Worthy is not built to be a Bill, IMO.

[Madmax09]

Does anyone realty care? Let’s just win a Super Bowl!!! 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, R.O. said:

He definitely has talent, as he was supposed to be the #1 WR coming into his draft year. 

 

 

No idea where you came up with this notion but it is very false.

[philholbroo]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Do you think he will still be active if Palmer is back and they go 6 wrs?

Palmer back is actually a great fit with Coleman for each one's skill set. Having both on field is exactly complimentary football

[Kelly to Allen]

25 minutes ago, philholbroo said:

Palmer back is actually a great fit with Coleman for each one's skill set. Having both on field is exactly complimentary football

 

So you think they'll go with 6 active wrs?

[philholbroo]

2 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

So you think they'll go with 6 active wrs?

there will be an injury probably. yes if kincaid is hurt again/still. probably still yes depending on what they want to do with special teams. i don't think hardman comes back.

4 hours ago, R.O. said:

I think people forget how young Coleman is; he will be 23 in May.

 

He definitely has talent, as he was supposed to be the #1 WR coming into his draft year. Obviously, that didn't happen, and he really underperformed. 

 

Hopefully, he takes this experience into the offseason and gets some maturity, as he can be a good "Box out" WR.

 

Still need to draft a #1 this year.

the #1 is in the 2027 draft most likely.