The Frankish Reich Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Let's go back in time. Summer 2016. Trump opines on that Leader of the Free Press, the National Enquirer: "There was a picture on the front page of the National Enquirer, which does have credibility," Trump said to a room of volunteers and staffers in Cleveland, adding that the tabloid "should be very respected." In May, Trump had said to Fox News, "You know, his father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being -- you know, shot....Right prior to his [Kennedy's] being shot, and nobody even brings it up. I mean, they don't even talk about that. That was reported and nobody talks about it." The story Trump referenced had appeared in the National Enquirer and was immediately debunked. The Washington Post said Trump had made "a ridiculous claim." Politifact concurred, saying that the photograph was "too degraded to offer much confidence," and experts it consulted "consider Trump's claim implausible at best and ridiculous at worst." So now we know that Trump and that "credible" supermarket checkout rag were in cahoots, planting and killing stories all in service of Trump and at the expense of his competitors. Ted Cruz was incensed in 2016, but now he's ... weirdly quiet. Not a peep out of him since it was revealed at Trump's trial that the Enquirer just photoshopped Cruz's father into a photo of Oswald. The manly Senator just bends over and takes it now. Maybe he wants to be Attorney General. Cruz figured it all out in 2016: “The CEO of the National Enquirer is an individual named David *****,” Cruz said at a [2016] campaign event. “Well, David is good friends with Donald Trump. In fact, the National Enquirer has endorsed Donald Trump, has said he must be president.” The senator lamented that his young daughters would someday “read these lies, these attacks that Donald and his henchmen, that his buddies at the National Enquirer spread” about their father. After the tabloid went after Cruz’s father, and Trump seized on the story, the senator also told reporters that the future president was a “pathological liar,” adding in reference to Trump, “He doesn’t know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth.” The mainstream media - and Cruz himself - nailed it at the time. It was a preposterous lie, and this time planted by Trump and his "alt media" supporters. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 The problem lies in your first sentence, Let's go back in time. Seems that's all that many on the left want to do, talk about how many bad things Trump did years ago. A good friend of mine says that to win in November Biden should just keep harping on Jan. 6th, 2021. I don't disagree with the strategy as there isn't much else he has to run on. From the botched Afghanistan withdrawal to mispronouncing Laken Riley's name, then apologizing for referring to her murderer as illegal rather than undocumented, from the mess at the border to inflation, things haven't gone well for Joe. So just keep hammering home the fact that politicians lie, we'll see how that works out. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, Steve O said: The problem lies in your first sentence, Let's go back in time. Seems that's all that many on the left want to do, talk about how many bad things Trump did years ago. A good friend of mine says that to win in November Biden should just keep harping on Jan. 6th, 2021. I don't disagree with the strategy as there isn't much else he has to run on. From the botched Afghanistan withdrawal to mispronouncing Laken Riley's name, then apologizing for referring to her murderer as illegal rather than undocumented, from the mess at the border to inflation, things haven't gone well for Joe. So just keep hammering home the fact that politicians lie, we'll see how that works out. Except that's not my point. My point is that the so-called mainstream media isn't perfect. Sometimes they repeat what campaigns feed them. Sometimes they fail to do their own investigations and fact-checking before they report an allegation. The reports on the Steele Dossier are an example. But that's different than actually making stuff up out of whole cloth at the urging of a particular candidate. That's how this ridiculous "Ted Cruz's father was close to Oswald" story started. And obviously knowing that the story was made up, Trump harped on it in his campaign. And that was only possible because Trump essentially controlled what the Enquirer did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Imagine in 2024 using reliable and mainstream media in the same sentence. How to tell everyone that you're a useful idiot and that you should be mocked and ignored. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 12 minutes ago, Steve O said: Seems that's all that many on the left want to do Oh ok Don’t you love when Karen upstages your argument? Look at all these active threads: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 20 minutes ago, Steve O said: I don't disagree with the strategy as there isn't much else he has to run on. From the botched Afghanistan withdrawal to mispronouncing Laken Riley's name, then apologizing for referring to her murderer as illegal rather than undocumented, from the mess at the border to inflation, things haven't gone well for Joe. So just keep hammering home the fact that politicians lie, we'll see how that works out. Biden has a TON to run on and you know it. That’s why @BillsFanNC and the rest of the cult is politicking in the gutter - you freaks have NOTHING else to run on. So, what will this guy run on? This? Or this: What about this? I’m sure this is a winning message: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BillStime said: Biden has a TON to run on and you know it. That’s why @BillsFanNC and the rest of the cult is politicking in the gutter - you freaks have NOTHING else to run on. So, what will this guy run on? This? Or this: What about this? I’m sure this is a winning message: So I say that Biden's best strategy is to keep hammering Trump's behavior. Then you tell me how Biden has plenty of positives to run on, then go on to point out what a dirt bag Trump is rather than tell me all the good things Biden has done? And you think you're not making my point for me? How does that even make sense? Edited April 24 by Steve O 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 MSM nails it on Musk and his 180 (now 360) on affordable Teslas. https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-jumps-musks-promise-more-affordable-cars-eases-growth-fears-2024-04-24/ Recall that Musk called the original Reuters story false. The markets, however, understood that it was true. So now Musk has gone back to saying his focus is on building an affordable EV. Check back on the threads where Reuters is called fake news and Musk's self-serving statements are considered the Bible truth. 30 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Imagine in 2024 using reliable and mainstream media in the same sentence. How to tell everyone that you're a useful idiot and that you should be mocked and ignored. So says the fool who votes for the guy who calls the National Enquirer "credible." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 32 minutes ago, Steve O said: So I say that Biden's best strategy is to keep hammering Trump's behavior. Then you tell me how Biden has plenty of positives to run on, then go on to point out what a dirt bag Trump is rather than tell me all the good things Biden has done? And you think you're not making my point for me? How does that even make sense? Biden has numerous accomplishments to campaign on, and he indeed does. Moreover, he is contending with the most corrupt POTUS in our lifetime. So, why wouldn't he emphasize the threat Trump poses to our national security? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Except that's not my point. My point is that the so-called mainstream media isn't perfect. Sometimes they repeat what campaigns feed them. Sometimes they fail to do their own investigations and fact-checking before they report an allegation. The reports on the Steele Dossier are an example. But that's different than actually making stuff up out of whole cloth at the urging of a particular candidate. That's how this ridiculous "Ted Cruz's father was close to Oswald" story started. And obviously knowing that the story was made up, Trump harped on it in his campaign. And that was only possible because Trump essentially controlled what the Enquirer did. The MSM has a significant and obvious liberal bias. With the exception of Fox News. The score is something like 10 to 1 liberal bias but the left pretends its a tie game. What I still can't wrap my head around is how did current day liberals transform from traditional liberal beliefs, cynics, and critics of big government to lovers of it? Edited April 24 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Except that's not my point. My point is that the so-called mainstream media isn't perfect. Sometimes they repeat what campaigns feed them. Sometimes they fail to do their own investigations and fact-checking before they report an allegation. The reports on the Steele Dossier are an example. But that's different than actually making stuff up out of whole cloth at the urging of a particular candidate. That's how this ridiculous "Ted Cruz's father was close to Oswald" story started. And obviously knowing that the story was made up, Trump harped on it in his campaign. And that was only possible because Trump essentially controlled what the Enquirer did. CBS made up the story about Bush in 2004 wholly and completely and they were debunked with 24 hours by a bunch of basement dwellers. Your statement is not only wrong but if you believed it when you wrote it you are stupid. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 27 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: CBS made up the story about Bush in 2004 wholly and completely and they were debunked with 24 hours by a bunch of basement dwellers. Your statement is not only wrong but if you believed it when you wrote it you are stupid. Did he say they were perfect? Maybe I missed it. Me thinks you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The MSM has a significant and obvious liberal bias. With the exception of Fox News. The score is something like 10 to 1 liberal bias but the left pretends its a tie game. What I still can't wrap my head around is how did current day liberals transform from traditional liberal beliefs, cynics, and critics of big government to lovers of it? The better question is how did everyone develop the need to only want to consume biased media? I get it takes a long time to research everything on our own, but it's better than gobbling down propaganda. Either way, I don't think being bombarded by liberal media really changes any conservative minds anyways. Fox has good ratings, because their viewers won't watch anything else. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 minutes ago, daz28 said: Fox has good ratings, because their viewers won't watch anything else. Tell me again how everyone else is biased. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Just now, B-Man said: Tell me again how everyone else is biased. Most people are. that's the point I was making. The problem is you're caught in the everything has to be this or that crowd. If it's not from Fox, then it's from some equally bad liberal sources. If like he said, it's 10-1 liberal MSM, then that's at least more choice. It's funny my analysis of MSM makes you think I'm being biased. They have you right on the hook, where they like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 34 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Did he say they were perfect? Maybe I missed it. Me thinks you missed the point. He stated "that's different than actually making stuff up out of whole cloth at the urging of a particular candidate" which is EXACTLY what CBS did. I am very aware s lot of these smaller "news" organizations take a small piece of info and blow it up beyond reason but to pretend that the MSM is not doing the same when you are our age is being intentionally stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 The use of the word “reliable” in the thread title is somewhere between fascinating and dumbfounding. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 This thread, solely for the use of “reliable” in the title deserves instant classic status. Here’s a nice read that highlights many of our “reliable/imperfect” mainstream media puking all over themselves. Reliable? Laughable. Hard to believe Frankish would hit the submit button with that title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: This thread, solely for the use of “reliable” in the title deserves instant classic status. Here’s a nice read that highlights many of our “reliable/imperfect” mainstream media puking all over themselves. Reliable? Laughable. Hard to believe Frankish would hit the submit button with that title. As a scientist who has spent years studying other respiratory viruses, the media gaslighting during covid made me flip the switch. I went from merely being skeptical of media that had long had an obvious left leaning bias to not believing anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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