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B-Man Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 A serial perjurer will try to prove an old misdemeanor against Trump in an embarrassment for the New York legal system by Jonathan Turley The famous Roman philosopher and orator Marcus Tullius Cicero once said, “The more laws, the less justice.” This week, New York judges and lawyers appear eager to prove that the same is true for cases against Donald Trump. After an absurd $450 million decision courtesy of Attorney General Letitia James, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg will bring his equally controversial criminal prosecution over hush money paid to a former porn star Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election. Lawyers have been scouring the civil and criminal codes for any basis to sue or prosecute Trump before the upcoming 2024 election. https://nypost.com/2024/04/14/opinion/a-serial-perjurer-will-try-to-prove-an-old-misdemeanor-against-trump-in-an-embarrassment-for-the-new-york-legal-system/ . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Waaaaahhh ! We can't broadcast propaganda pictures of Trump in Court. . . . . . . . . it's unfair ! "Unlike nearly every other state, New York does not allow cameras in the courtroom and also prohibits audio recordings..." "... of witness testimony and other proceedings.... In an era when even the U.S. Supreme Court streams live audio of oral arguments, New York is way behind the times; the official court rules for coverage of People v. Trump allows for about 60 journalists (including two sketch artists) to witness the proceedings with 'no video, no photographs, no audio recording.'... In New York — again, in a departure from the federal system and every other state — official rules state that transcripts of what gets said in court must be purchased from the court stenographers who have the job of recording, on a specialized keyboard, every word, action, and ruling in criminal cases." From "Free the Trump Trial Transcripts/The New York court system’s maddening lack of transparency is about to be a national embarrassment" (New York Magazine). Click for more »https://althouse.blogspot.com/2024/04/unlike-nearly-every-other-state-new.html#more . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 The facts are these: Ms. Daniels has said that in 2006 she and Mr. Trump had one, er, intimate encounter. A decade later, as the 2016 election neared, Mr. Trump’s fixer Michael Cohen paid Ms. Daniels $130,000 to keep quiet. A nondisclosure agreement isn’t illegal. Mr. Bragg’s complaint is about the paperwork. Mr. Cohen was reimbursed through 2017 via a monthly retainer “disguised as a payment for legal services,” the DA said. He padded his indictment by separately charging each invoice, check and ledger entry to get 34 counts. Falsifying business records in New York can be a misdemeanor, but the statute of limitations on that has expired. Mr. Bragg therefore must charge felonies, which under New York law means showing that Mr. Trump cooked the books with “intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.” Even that requires special dispensation. The 2017 payments are outside the five-year felony window, but state judge Juan Merchan ruled that Mr. Bragg enjoys an extra year of leeway after emergency COVID-19 executive orders stopped the clock on legal cases. Oh dear. In a non-Banana Republic, the law works by uncovering a crime and then prosecuting those guilty of the crime. In a certified Banana Republic, the regime finds someone it dislikes and then calls out the legal bloodhounds to discover or, if need be, to manufacture a crime as a pretext to take out the undesirable person. The latter is what is happening here, which is why the WSJ began its editorial by saying that “it’s a trial that shouldn’t happen in a case Mr. Bragg shouldn’t have brought.” It is worth noting that this is not a partisan issue. It is an issue of fundamental fairness and the impartial application of the law. National Review’s Andrew McCarthy is a staunch critic of Donald Trump. But he is under no illusions about what Alvin Bragg is attempting to do in his prosecution of Trump. “He turns an uncharged misdemeanor into 34 felonies,” McCarthy said recently, “while when dealing with violent crime in Manhattan, he turns felonies into misdemeanors.” Similarly, The Wall Street Journal is not an enthusiastic supporter of Donald Trump. But it is an enthusiastic supporter of the rule of law, which is why it is officially appalled by what is happening in what can only be called a show trial. “Now the country is on the brink of an extraordinary moment, as Mr. Bragg uses a weak and untested legal premise to put the other party’s presidential nominee on trial during the 2024 campaign.” https://amgreatness.com/2024/04/14/the-battle-begins-trumps-trial-tests-american-justice/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-trial-alvin-bragg-juan-merchan-stormy-daniels-dcc214a1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 You mean getting a jury made up of a bunch of Billsfuk.c's, Findings, Tibstain's and King's just might not be impartial? Water might be wet too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 The orange dude is correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Byron York Sharing Judge Merchan's Statement for Prospective Trump Jurors Shows Case for the SHAM It Is Do you lawyer types think this sounds like felony charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Trump Hush-Money Trial Begins as Experts Scratch Heads COLLIN ANDERSON Brought by Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg, the case was considered dead three years ago, when Bragg's predecessor and federal prosecutors abandoned it. But Bragg, who campaigned on his record suing the Trump administration more than a hundred times as a deputy in the New York state attorney general’s office, revived the case in 2021, filing felony charges against Trump last year alleging he had falsified the business records pertaining to the Daniels payments. A number of legal experts have questioned Bragg's decision to seek felony charges in the case. In New York, charges over falsified business records are typically brought as misdemeanors and are "rarely the senior offense in an indictment," according to the Financial Times. For the crime to rise to a felony, prosecutors must prove that the defendant falsified records to "commit or conceal another crime." https://freebeacon.com/courts/trump-goes-to-trial-in-hush-money-case-as-legal-experts-voice-skepticism-over-the-merits/ . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 4 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Do you know even what "marxism" is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiGoose Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 hours ago, TH3 said: Do you know even what "marxism" is? Generally if someone on this board uses the world “Marxist” or “communist” unironically, you can assume they don’t know what it actually means. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wacka Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 ⬆️ ⬆️ Marxist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 Commies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 14 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Ha…ha…ha…..Maybe shouldn’t have delayed so much…you know…because he is innocent and this all could be months over…..Or maybe shouldn’t have been banging pornstars because his wife was pregnant..and then being forced to pay hush money….ha ha ha And this is the guy you revere….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 ⬆️ Communist scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TH3 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: ⬆️ Communist scum Dude...do you realize how dime store psych 101 you are? Let me guess...you loved the Sopranos right? You see dt as your godfather..."Sure he breaks the law...but I am part of hs family and he is going to take care of me...so his faults are embraced..." Feels great right ...part of the fam.... Tony S, Gotti, Corleone....you aint breaking new ground here bro...Just another minion who mistakenly thinks some thug is going to watch out for him....Yet all the while he is just shaking you down while those behind him - not even hidden really - get what they want.... Comic book psychology oh..."Communist" ? What are you ....like 7 years old - just throwing a name out....that makes no sense at all? 😄 Edited April 16 by TH3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 Commies gonna commie I'm sure Trumps poll numbers will go down THIS time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 The case against Trump is a joke because the records violation of which Trump is accused is a misdemeanor, on which the statute of limitations has run. It is only a felony if the records were falsified to cover up another crime. That is what Bragg alleges. But what crime? Bragg’s indictment doesn’t say. Presumably his theory will be that the payment to Daniels was a campaign finance violation, only it wasn’t. The payment was legal and no false filing was made with the FEC. Trump has not been charged with, let alone convicted of, any such violation. So the case against Trump is terrible. But does it matter? The only reason Bragg brought the case (and the only reason the other prosecutions of Trump have been brought) is so that Democratic Party news outlets can say that Trump is a “convicted felon.” That is all that matters until November. Any conviction will most likely be reversed on appeal, but not until long after the election. So the trial is really a show, with the jury in the starring role. Can Donald Trump get a fair trial in front of a Manhattan jury? No. He is reviled there. Jurors will understand the politics of what they are engaged in, and my guess is that they will play their part to the letter. Any trial lawyer will tell you that the most important thing he does in any trial is pick the jury. And here, I am afraid that is a hopeless task. So, good luck to Trump’s lawyers. Maybe lightning will strike and the jury will include one honest man (or woman). But don’t count on it. Regardless of the weakness of the case, a conviction is highly probable, with the result that newspapers and TV networks will do their “convicted felon” shtick for the next six months. The consequences of that are unpredictable, but they can’t be good. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/04/trump-goes-on-trial.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wnyguy Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, TH3 said: Dude...do you realize how dime store psych 101 you are? Let me guess...you loved the Sopranos right? You see dt as your godfather..."Sure he breaks the law...but I am part of hs family and he is going to take care of me...so his faults are embraced..." Feels great right ...part of the fam.... Tony S, Gotti, Corleone....you aint breaking new ground here bro...Just another minion who mistakenly thinks some thug is going to watch out for him....Yet all the while he is just shaking you down while those behind him - not even hidden really - get what they want.... Comic book psychology oh..."Communist" ? What are you ....like 7 years old - just throwing a name out....that makes no sense at all? 😄 Heeey, fuhgeddaboudit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: The case against Trump is a joke because the records violation of which Trump is accused is a misdemeanor, on which the statute of limitations has run. It is only a felony if the records were falsified to cover up another crime. That is what Bragg alleges. But what crime? Bragg’s indictment doesn’t say. Presumably his theory will be that the payment to Daniels was a campaign finance violation, only it wasn’t. The payment was legal and no false filing was made with the FEC. Trump has not been charged with, let alone convicted of, any such violation. NYS law tolls the statute of limitations when a defendant is out of state (CPL sec. 30.10 4(a)(i)) NY AG alleged that the falsifying of business documents was done as part of a scheme to violate election laws (Statement of Facts, paragraph 2) The payment would have been legal had it come from the Trump Campaign and properly disclosed (which would have ensured this case never happened) but the whole activity was done to prevent that from happening. Arguing that failure to properly disclose payments to the FEC isn't a crime because they never filed what they were supposed to with the FEC is quite the position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 It makes perfect sense TH3 you commie. If it made sense to you then you wouldn't be a commie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Frankish Reich Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 20 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Oh, look at who's back in TrumpWorld's good graces! None other than Steve Bannon. And the very very truthful and adept "Mike Davis" is happy to appear on his show to praise the treasonous former prez and his family. Trump on Bannon: “Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my Presidency. When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. Steve was a staffer who worked for me after I had already won the nomination by defeating seventeen candidates, often described as the most talented field ever assembled in the Republican party.” Trump continued, “Now that he is on his own, Steve is learning that winning isn’t as easy as I make it look. Steve had very little to do with our historic victory, which was delivered by the forgotten men and women of this country. Yet Steve had everything to do with the loss of a Senate seat in Alabama held for more than thirty years by Republicans. Steve doesn’t represent my base - he’s only in it for himself.” Bannon on Trump: Stephen K. Bannon — Trump’s former top strategist, who now heads the conservative Breitbart News — describes a meeting that Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. and son-in-law Jared Kushner had with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic.” The book also quotes Bannon as describing Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter, as “dumb as a brick.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommy Callahan Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 The facist mob sees this as a pound of flesh. everyone else sees it for what it is, political. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 51 minutes ago, BillStime said: True. If Melania cared about marrying an uber wealthy philanderer, she never would've married Trump. Trophy wife gonna trophy wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 Not a show trial at all. Keep defending this commies, as you surely will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Some good coverage of the jury challenges this afternoon: Trump challenges jury candidates 1, 2, 3, 6 for cause. Challenges for 1 and 3 are denied. Challenges for 2 and 6 are granted. Trump then uses peremptory challenges to strike jury candidates 1, 3, 5, and 10. By the end, they have seated six members of the jury: candidates 4, 9, 12, 14, 17, 18. They are sworn in and told to be ready to come back on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCBills Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Liberal white women think they’re immune to this. They won’t be forever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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