without a drought Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Hamlin would just be a football decision, not a cap casualty. He makes about the league minimum and has barely any dead cap hit. There is no money factor one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said: Hines to be released. Could he return on a futures deal to camp for a tryout if healthy? Not a futures deal, but definitely at league minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 2/29/2024 at 9:35 AM, GASabresIUFan said: Group 1 (25) - Players certain or almost certain to return Offense (11) QB - Allen RB - Cook WR - Diggs, Shakir TE - Knox, Kincaid OL - Brown, Dawkins, Torrence, McGovern, and Van Demark Defense (12) DL - Rousseau, Miller, Oliver, Jonathan LB - Milano, Benard, Williams, Spector CB - Benford, Douglas, Elam, Johnson Specialist (2) - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS) Group 2 (5) - Players under contract likely to return, but could also end up as cap casualties if K's not restructured OL - Morse, Bates, S - Poyer P - Martin Group 3 (5) - Returning Developmental players WR- Shorter OL - Anderson, Doyle DL - Ankou, Cline Group 4 (6) - Potential (likely?) cap casualties RB - Hines Hines to be released (3/3/2024) FB - Gilliam WR - Harty CB - Neal, White S - Hamlin Group 5 (13) - Futures/Reserve players QB - Buechele WR - Isabella, Hamler, Shavers, Thompson RB - Evans TE - McKitty, Davidson OL - Gouriage, Jarvis CB - Ingram, Brown S - Williamson Assuming all of the players in groups 1-3 return, that's 35 of 53 roster spots already spoken for. Admittedly the group 3 players could all end up on the practice squad. Except for Hamlin, all the Group 4 players may return, but it will be at lower cap figures than they currently possess. Hamlin's cap figure is low (1.05 with a 40k dead cap) it's just a question of whether he can earn a job on the 53-man roster. Right now I don't see any of the Group 5 players making the team, but that's what camp is for. Group 6 (10) - FAs who could be re-signed (or who people here may want re-signed). (I only have an interest in Jones, Epenesa, Ty Johnson and Edwards) DT - Jones, Joseph Edge - Epenesa, Floyd RB - Johnson S - Rapp OL - Edwards TE - Morris CB - Lewis LB -Dodson Group 7 (11) - Other FAs DL - Phillips, Settle, Ford, Lawson QB - K Allen RB - Murray, Harris, Fournette WR - Sherfield LB - Matakevich, Klein I asked this in the Hines thread but I like the organization of your list way better. Do you believe we’re going to see the rest of Group 4 join Hines fate later this week? Hamlin, White, Neal, Gilliam, and Harty? For example, I read that Hamlin is already at close to league minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I asked this in the Hines thread but I like the organization of your list way better. Do you believe we’re going to see the rest of Group 4 join Hines fate later this week? Hamlin, White, Neal, Gilliam, and Harty? For example, I read that Hamlin is already at close to league minimum. The Hamlin situation is unique. He is only making $1million (40k dead cap if released). There is no real cap savings if released, as he would be replaced on the 51 man cap roster by someone making just as much. However, releasing him now gives him the opportunity to pursue his career elsewhere before free agency begins. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not Beane and McDermott think that Hamlin can contribute more next season than last and whether they believe a replacement in the draft or from free agency would contribute more. Hamlin’s advantage is that he knows the defense and if cut, Poyer is the only S on the roster. As to Neal and Gilliam, they are primarily special teams stars who no longer see regular snaps on O or D. That makes them ripe for being let go, but maybe more likely a pay cut. The White situation is a mess. He has a bonus coming due soon. He also has now had two major injuries in the last few seasons. I have zero idea what Beane is thinking, but if I had to guess he’ll extend his contract with void years to bring down the cap hit to keep a key person in the organization and allow the White to rehab properly. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part. I’d release Harty, but with Hines now gone, the odds of Harty returning as a depth WR and kick returner just went up. PS thanks for the compliment. I am a visual learner and I often create lists like this because it helps me understand where all the puzzle pieces go, especially when you looking at a list on some websites that list some 90 names associated with the team. Edited March 4 by GASabresIUFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Tavius White is still under contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said: The Hamlin situation is unique. He is only making $1million (40k dead cap if released). There is no real cap savings if released, as he would be replaced on the 51 man cap roster by someone making just as much. However, releasing him now gives him the opportunity to pursue his career elsewhere before free agency begins. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not Beane and McDermott think that Hamlin can contribute more next season than last and whether they believe a replacement in the draft or from free agency would contribute more. Hamlin’s advantage is that he knows the defense and if cut, Poyer is the only S on the roster. As to Neal and Gilliam, they are primarily special teams stars who no longer see regular snaps on O or D. That makes them ripe for being let go, but maybe more likely a pay cut. The White situation is a mess. He has a bonus coming due soon. He also has now had two major injuries in the last few seasons. I have zero idea what Beane is thinking, but if I had to guess he’ll extend his contract with void years to bring down the cap hit to keep a key person in the organization and allow the White to rehab properly. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part. I’d release Harty, but with Hines now gone, the odds of Harty returning as a depth WR and kick returner just went up. PS thanks for the compliment. I am a visual learner and I often create lists like this because it helps me understand where all the puzzle pieces go, especially when you looking at a list on some websites that list some 90 names associated with the team. I’m visual learner as well. I can’t see the point in the countless round and round without a contextual list to base the discussion around. I’m guessing that Beane is more in our camp. He can’t possibly be making these decisions on a case by case basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 Bates traded for a 5th. This makes it much more likely that Morse returns as the starting center. Opens up an opportunity for Anderson or a draft pick as the backup at center. I wanted us to go after Van Pran in the draft. Maybe this opens that possibility as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: Bates traded for a 5th. This makes it much more likely that Morse returns as the starting center. Opens up an opportunity for Anderson or a draft pick as the backup at center. I wanted us to go after Van Pran in the draft. Maybe this opens that possibility as well. Bills seem to value former OTs that can play OC. Morse, Bates and Anderson were all college OTs. Van Prank lacks this trait and has extremely short arms so may not be on Bills radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 10 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: Bates traded for a 5th. This makes it much more likely that Morse returns as the starting center. Opens up an opportunity for Anderson or a draft pick as the backup at center. I wanted us to go after Van Pran in the draft. Maybe this opens that possibility as well. So looking at your updated list, what’s the next move? Seems like Beane is in the trimming the roster redundancy mode. But if I’m reading everyone’s posts on the Cap correctly there’s got to be more serious cuts than Hines and Bates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So looking at your updated list, what’s the next move? Seems like Beane is in the trimming the roster redundancy mode. But if I’m reading everyone’s posts on the Cap correctly there’s got to be more serious cuts than Hines and Bates. Now the extensions and restructurings begin in earnest. Look for changes with Allen, Dawkins, Oliver, Knox, Milano, and Douglas among others. Harty and White are still on the chopping block. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 Bates out. Edwards returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 Morse, White, Neal, and Poyer out. Douglas restructured Haack signed Busy day for Beane and the Bills. I updated the original post to reflect all the moves so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 (edited) Group 2 and group 4 are having a tough couple of days. Of the 10 players in those groups, 6 have been releases and one traded. It also looks like Martin is going to be released as well. I also don't see how Gilliam can survive Beane chopping block given he is the O version of Neal. Group 1 has been edited to 27 players to reflect the re-signing of Haack and Edwards. Edited March 6 by GASabresIUFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custcarcen Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 This looks like the roster as of tonight: QB. Josh Allen, Mitch Trubisky, Shane Buechele, RB. James Cook, Reggie Gilliam, Darrynton Evans, WR. Stefon Diggs, Khalil Shakir, Justin Shorter, KJ Hamler, Andy Isabella, Tyrell Shavers, Bryan Thompson, TE. Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Quintin Morris, Tre' McKitty, Zach Davidson. OT. Dion Dawkins, Spencer Brown, Alec Anderson, Ryan VanDemark, Tommy Doyle, Richard Gouriage, OG. Connor McGovern, David Edwards, O'Cyrus Torrence, Kevin Jarvis, C DE Von Miller, Greg Rousseau, Kingsley Jonathan, Kameron Cline, DT. Ed Oliver, Eli Ankou LB. Matt Milano (IR), Dorian Williams, Terrel Bernard, Baylon Spector, Tyler Matakevich, CB. Kaiir Elam, Taron Johnson, Christian Benford, Rasul Douglas, Kyron Brown, Ja'Marcus Ingram, S. Damar Hamlin, Taylor Rapp, Kendall Williamson, SPC.Tyler Bass, Sam Martin, Reid Ferguson, Matt Haack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 Matakevich is a FA and is not on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakingfane Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Awesome list, especially with concise updates, thanks! Gabe Davis missing from Other FAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 2/29/2024 at 11:35 AM, GASabresIUFan said: Group 1 (29) - Players certain or almost certain to return Offense (13) QB - Allen, Trubisky - (signed 3/6) RB - Cook WR - Diggs, Shakir TE - Knox, Kincaid OL - Brown, Dawkins, Torrence, McGovern, Van Demark, and Edwards (Re-signed 2yrs $6million) Defense (13) DL - Rousseau, Miller, Oliver, Jonathan LB - Milano, Benard, Williams, Spector CB - Benford, Douglas, Elam, Johnson S - Rapp - reports have him re-signing (3 yrs $14.5) Specialist (3) - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS), (P) Haack (re-signed on 3/6) Group 2 (4) - Players under contract likely to return, but could also end up as cap casualties if K's not restructured OL - Morse, Bates (traded to Chicago); Morse release 3/6 S - Poyer - Poyer released 3/6 P - Martin Group 3 (5) - Returning Developmental players WR- Shorter OL - Anderson, Doyle DL - Ankou, Cline Group 4 (6) - Potential (likely?) cap casualties RB - Hines Hines to be released (3/3/2024) FB - Gilliam WR - Harty - Harty released 3/6 CB - Neal, White - Neal released 3/6, White released with a 6/1 designation S - Hamlin Group 5 (13) - Futures/Reserve players QB - Buechele WR - Isabella, Hamler, Shavers, Thompson RB - Evans TE - McKitty, Davidson OL - Gouriage, Jarvis CB - Ingram, Brown S - Williamson Assuming all of the players in groups 1-3 return, that's 35 of 53 roster spots already spoken for. Admittedly the group 3 players could all end up on the practice squad. Except for Hamlin, all the Group 4 players may return, but it will be at lower cap figures than they currently possess. Hamlin's cap figure is low (1.05 with a 40k dead cap) it's just a question of whether he can earn a job on the 53-man roster. Right now I don't see any of the Group 5 players making the team, but that's what camp is for. Group 6 (10) - FAs who could be re-signed (or who people here may want re-sign). (I only have an interest in Jones, Epenesa, Ty Johnson and Edwards) DT - Jones, Joseph Edge - Epenesa, Floyd RB - Johnson S - Rapp - reports have him re-signing (3 yrs $14.5) OL - Edwards - Re-signed (2 years $6 million) TE - Morris CB - Lewis LB -Dodson Group 7 (11) - Other FAs DL - Phillips, Settle, Ford, Lawson QB - K Allen RB - Murray, Harris, Fournette WR - Sherfield LB - Matakevich, Klein Group 8 - FA's signed P - Haack (signed 3/6) QB - Trubisky (signed 3/6) Thank you for keeping this updated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Dane Jackson in the mix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 (edited) 49 minutes ago, wakingfane said: Awesome list, especially with concise updates, thanks! Gabe Davis missing from Other FAs. 37 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Dane Jackson in the mix? Thanks for pointing out whom I was missing them. Groups updated to reflect both free agents. Edited March 7 by GASabresIUFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Forgot about Hamler. He has legit potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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