GunnerBill Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: The pick from KC had nothing to do with the Allen trade. The Allen trade consisted of trading the Bills 1st round pick (21) to Cincinnati along with Glenn for pick 12 & moving pick 12 with the Bills 2nd round pick & the 2nd round pick obtained from the Rams in the Watkins trade. Yea I have already corrected that. I agree in specific terms, you are right. But everything they did in terms of building picks for 2018 was about getting their Quarterback. So you are right they didn't use that actual pick but I still think at the point they traded back in 2017 it was about what they needed to get their guy (which turned out to be Josh). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scuba guy Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 So how many more times are we going to see a thread like this in the next 30 years. The drum has a hole in it already 😳. Same post same comments. Look at the facts does ja17 have an allpro te. Nope. Maybe one of the best te ever. Does ja17 have a great oc as a coach. Nope Does ja have an offensive line that gives (holds) him 4 plus seconds to dance around. Nope. Does ja17 have a teammate that has a girlfriend who is world famous. Nope Does ja have a defense that came to his aid 4 years in a row in the playoffs. Nope Does ja have a punter and field goal kicker that kick for 55 yarders. Nope. When ja throws and the def are playing man and the play breaks down Does he just run for the first down. Nope Does the rat have extra man stay in the pocket to block. Nope Does the rat get pressure on every drop back nope. Does the rats defense db hold and get away with it 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Here’s a little discussed aspect of the Mahomes Trade: In the last game of the 2016 regular season, Rex was going to start Tyrod Taylor, to try to beat his old team in a meaningless game (the Jets were 6-9). In one of his smartest moves as owner, Pegula fired Rex, and installed an interim coach (Anthony Lynn?) who played all the backups against the Jets, and lost. As a result, the Bills’ draft position improved from 15 to 10, which put them in a position to make the trade with KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I have already corrected that. I agree in specific terms, you are right. But everything they did in terms of building picks for 2018 was about getting their Quarterback. So you are right they didn't use that actual pick but I still think at the point they traded back in 2017 it was about what they needed to get their guy (which turned out to be Josh). This is right, the KC pick was involved with the Denver trade up scenario. When Denver decided against trading, TB took our 2 seconds instead of the KC first. We added all these picks to move up for a QB, we just didn’t need to use them all. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/05/2018-nfl-draft-buffalo-bills-denver-broncos-trade/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, SCBills said: How did they get 13.7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 48 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: How did they get 13.7? They’re clearly excluding the Super Bowl, because that obviously makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 3 hours ago, scuba guy said: So how many more times are we going to see a thread like this in the next 30 years. The drum has a hole in it already 😳. Same post same comments. Look at the facts does ja17 have an allpro te. Nope. Maybe one of the best te ever. Does ja17 have a great oc as a coach. Nope Does ja have an offensive line that gives (holds) him 4 plus seconds to dance around. Nope. Does ja17 have a teammate that has a girlfriend who is world famous. Nope Does ja have a defense that came to his aid 4 years in a row in the playoffs. Nope Does ja have a punter and field goal kicker that kick for 55 yarders. Nope. When ja throws and the def are playing man and the play breaks down Does he just run for the first down. Nope Does the rat have extra man stay in the pocket to block. Nope Does the rat get pressure on every drop back nope. Does the rats defense db hold and get away with it 🤔 Please post a link to any past post on this subject. I don't mean a conversation within a different post, I'm Asking for a direct post on this subject. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Billl said: They’re clearly excluding the Super Bowl, because that obviously makes sense. Ah, right….who cares about how a defense performs in that game? Guess a guy’s not allowed to have a decent defense once in 6 years, even if his receivers and tackles suck? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Ah, right….who cares about how a defense performs in that game? Guess a guy’s not allowed to have a decent defense once in 6 years, even if his receivers and tackles suck? Spags has the KC Defense playing pretty well most playoffs. and poor KC, Mahomes has a bad OL once and got wrecked because of it. Was blessed with Hill/Kelce and now… awww… all y’all get is an all-time TE and multiple high round picks at WR. Last year top 2 OL. This year Top tier Defense. KC runs the league but Chiefs fans stay insecure the second anyone challenges the notion that Mahomes has been blessed beyond measure with the organization/teams around him. Edited February 25 by SCBills 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, SCBills said: Spags has the KC Defense playing pretty well most playoffs. and poor KC, Mahomes has a bad OL once and got wrecked because of it. Was blessed with Hill/Kelce and now… awww… all y’all get is an all-time TE and multiple high round picks at WR. Last year top 2 OL. This year Top tier Defense. KC runs the league but Chiefs fans stay insecure the second anyone challenges the notion that Mahomes has been blessed beyond measure with the organization/teams around him. And it's on another team's board (which already & annoyingly has overflowing praise for Mahomes), literally within days of their team winning a 2nd straight SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 23 minutes ago, SCBills said: Spags has the KC Defense playing pretty well most playoffs. and poor KC, Mahomes has a bad OL once and got wrecked because of it. Was blessed with Hill/Kelce and now… awww… all y’all get is an all-time TE and multiple high round picks at WR. Last year top 2 OL. This year Top tier Defense. KC runs the league but Chiefs fans stay insecure the second anyone challenges the notion that Mahomes has been blessed beyond measure with the organization/teams around him. Well, sure he’s had some talented players and solid coaches. So has Allen. Mahomes’ defenses have been worse than Allen’s regular season or postseason by any measure until this year. The difference is that he never faces the Chiefs. Plus, it’s not like his defenses have shut down Buffalo. They just get a few stops. Pretty much all my takes are echoed by most national analysts. They aren’t crazy, uncommon opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Well, sure he’s had some talented players and solid coaches. So has Allen. Mahomes’ defenses have been worse than Allen’s regular season or postseason by any measure until this year. The difference is that he never faces the Chiefs. Plus, it’s not like his defenses have shut down Buffalo. They just get a few stops. Pretty much all my takes are echoed by most national analysts. They aren’t crazy, uncommon opinions. The bolded seems to be the go-to as some sort of "proof." But I don't think the bolded is accurate. I've heard plenty of analysts say that Allen has to carry his team more than any other top QB, and that Reid is one of the best coaches of all time. And analysts correctly hyped the Chiefs '23 defense, all through the season & playoffs. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, Success said: The bolded seems to be the go-to as some sort of "proof." But I don't think the bolded is accurate. I've heard plenty of analysts say that Allen has to carry his team more than any other top QB, and that Reid is one of the best coaches of all time. And analysts correctly hyped the Chiefs '23 defense, all through the season & playoffs. Who was saying that this year? As for Andy Reid, he’s one of the most successful coaches of all time. I’ve never said otherwise. I’ve just pointed out facts. Such as…the Andy Reid narrative was very different in 2018, when he had a losing record in the playoffs and was coming off a home loss to Marcus Mariota. Obviously anyone is going to rate Reid higher than McDermott. And Kelce higher than Kincaid. But the main difference in both cases is longevity. McD’s first several years are pretty comparable to Reid’s first several. And is there really a huge difference between Kelce and Kincaid as of the Buffalo game? Kelce’s slowing down. I won’t be surprised at all if Kincaid has the better stats next season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Who was saying that this year? As for Andy Reid, he’s one of the most successful coaches of all time. I’ve never said otherwise. I’ve just pointed out facts. Such as…the Andy Reid narrative was very different in 2018, when he had a losing record in the playoffs and was coming off a home loss to Marcus Mariota. Obviously anyone is going to rate Reid higher than McDermott. And Kelce higher than Kincaid. But the main difference in both cases is longevity. McD’s first several years are pretty comparable to Reid’s first several. And is there really a huge difference between Kelce and Kincaid as of the Buffalo game? Kelce’s slowing down. I won’t be surprised at all if Kincaid has the better stats next season. Mahomes has had a much better situation, from the start. It's cool, though. It doesn't mean Mahomes is a bad QB or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, Success said: Mahomes has had a much better situation, from the start. It's cool, though. It doesn't mean Mahomes is a bad QB or anything. Okay, let’s look at 2022. Allen had the #1 rated roster and Mahomes the #8. Mahomes had a high ankle sprain at the beginning of the first playoff game and played the AFC title game without several key players. Was Mahomes’ situation far better in 2022? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Okay, let’s look at 2022. Allen had the #1 rated roster and Mahomes the #8. Mahomes had a high ankle sprain at the beginning of the first playoff game and played the AFC title game without several key players. Was Mahomes’ situation far better in 2022? My conclusion in the last post I made is final, and irrefutable. Everything else is just fluff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, Success said: My conclusion in the last post I made is final, and irrefutable. Everything else is just fluff. Admitting that you’ve made up your mind and facts don’t matter? That’s no different than saying it’s irrefutable that Mahomes is a better QB than Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 15 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Admitting that you’ve made up your mind and facts don’t matter? That’s no different than saying it’s irrefutable that Mahomes is a better QB than Allen. But my opinion is BASED in facts. Who said they don't matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 18 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Admitting that you’ve made up your mind and facts don’t matter? That’s no different than saying it’s irrefutable that Mahomes is a better QB than Allen. How do you measure a Quarterbacks success? bet·ter1 adjective 1. of a more excellent or effective type or quality. Similar: superior finer of higher quality greater in a different class one step ahead more acceptable preferable recommended a cut above streets ahead head and shoulders above ahead of the pack/field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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