BADOLBILZ Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said: Two rookies OCs hired in a row…. During “the window”. I’m really tired of McDermott and these choices. Well, looks like we are all set at Offensive Coordination!—what..?? Not even seeing what’s out there. All so McDermott as another puppet and potential fall guy. Technically 2024 will be his 4th season calling plays in the NFL. Got fired late in his second season as OC in Carolina and OC'd 9 games for Buffalo last year. He also had experience as the passing game coordinator of the greatest college passing offense ever at LSU in 2019. I agree that he has a lot to prove yet but he will at least be more experienced designing and calling plays than Dorsey was in 2021-2022. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Technically 2024 will be his 4th season calling plays in the NFL. Got fired late in his second season as OC in Carolina and OC'd 9 games for Buffalo last year. He also had experience as the passing game coordinator of the greatest college passing offense ever at LSU in 2019. I agree that he has a lot to prove yet but he will at least be more experienced designing and calling plays than Dorsey was in 2021-2022. Geez, I’d rather I wasn’t reminded of his Carolina stint. I loved watching that LSU offense. And I could have pass coordinated to moderate-great success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I really wish they actually did a real interview process and brought in actual candidates. With that being said, Brady was clearly a better play caller than Dorsey. Bills passing play designs were frequently bad, with WRs ending up in the same area, Allen not having any real safety valve throw, and option routes where the QB and WR read the defense differently. They also would read deep-to-shallow, putting too much pressure on the o-line. I’m hoping Brady can make things a little bit “easier”. Everything felt so hard with the Dorsey offense, like everything had to go perfectly for a successful play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Burrow, Jefferson, Chase, Marshall, Edwards-Helaire. The top two WR are all pros, 3rd WR was a 2nd round pick. RB was a 1st round pick. QB is an all pro. It’s a better offense than most NFL teams have. He ran into the most talented offense in college football the last 20+ years. You can take from that what you wish. He was part of a bad talent, bad team with Carolina. Then he had Allen for half a season. He has done about what you would expect with talent he has been given. I don’t think he has done far better or far worse for that matter. I’m sure he wasn’t turning down jobs for being an OC before he joined the Bills. So largely unwanted prior to this stint with Buffalo. Safe and not overly inspiring. Disappointing we didn’t at least kick the tires a bit but not surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said: Geez, I’d rather I wasn’t reminded of his Carolina stint. I loved watching that LSU offense. And I could have pass coordinated to moderate-great success. The problem wasn’t Brady, it was Rhule. Rhule is living in the past and wanted a run heavy team, and Brady wanted to reach to the talent in Carolina at that time in the passing weapons. Regarding Brady’s designation change, I see it as a positive. He was creative and it showed with a win streak once he took over against playoff teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 21 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: The bottom line, Dorseys last 6 games the offense averaged a pathetic 20 PPG and went 2-4 (and were lucky to not be 0-6). Or could have been 3-3 with only 11 "men" on the field vs Broncos which Coach Dorsey had no control over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 18 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Can't say I'm surprised by the hire. McBeane are loyal guys and like to promote from within. Brady had Josh running the ball a lot more and the offense seemed like they were having more fun out there. Total yards and points are pretty comparable between the Brady games and Dorsey games. The Brady-offense was mediocre to bad in the wins against Chiefs, Chargers, Patriots, and Dolphins. I wonder how Brady would be viewed on here had Toney not lined up offside. Or if the DEF didn't force 4 turnovers vs the Pats. Or if the Dolphins had the punt return for a TD instead of us. Ironically enough the defense saw a bigger improvement after we fired Dorsey than the offense did. Yeah, I definitely think Brady was better than Dorsey...but he wasn't great. He might be the best guy to get a season to install his offense...but a real search and welcoming of different ideas would have been the right way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Or could have been 3-3 with only 11 "men" on the field vs Broncos which Coach Dorsey had no control over. Could have been 4-2 if McDs D could stop McCorkle…. I know, I know, they had injuries. Still ***** hilarious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2024 at 12:14 PM, MR8 said: I guess we're just on opposite sides of this situation because clearly we see the evidence showing different things. I think the massive changes from the 2020/2021 seasons to the 2022/2023 seasons were more than just a different play caller. It's a schematic change away from what Josh and the offensive personnel do best. Sure production is there, but you have Josh F'in Allen lol bro is SUPERMAN, you better produce lol. He covers TONS of ills with his legs, his arm, being impossible to sack etc... when people throw out how we win and he puts up video game numbers as an endorsement of coaching, I'll throw back that Allen is an alien the likes of which we've never seen.... He was on the Ascent with Daboll, imagine how good he'd be if they crafted the offense better to him. Short outs, screens, and short routes were a staple of this offense... That's a massive change from Daboll. McDermott said in 2022 he wanted the offense to take fewer risks... Well the OC works for him, and the seasons entire script was short low risk passing. Why does Josh always look better in the 4th quarter when the chips are down and he needs a play? Because they let Josh be Josh ... He runs, he throws all over the field to more vertical routes, he superman's some hoes! He goes full on Josh. But for 3 quarters leading up to that, game in and game out for 2 years, it looks so difficult. Why has Diggs' average depth of target in dropped to below 10 yards in 10 of his past 19 games and it's over 2 yards shorter than his career avg in Buffalo? Dumb ass bubble screens and stuff HE'S NOT DESIGNED TO DO. Dude is one of the best route runners creating separation down field and we delegated him to gadget guy. Against KC he only had 2 targets over 7 yards.... One was the deep ball and one was 15 yards down field, the other 6 were: -7, -1, 1, 4, 5, 5.... Bro, come on... Tell me this isn't conservative hold the ball use short passes like runs, and control the clock football. That's NOT Josh Allen, it's playing conservative and frankly scared. It's how the Bills play now since Daboll left. Dorsey did it, Brady did it ... It's a schematic plan and it comes from the HC and how HE wants the game to go. Few challenges down field, just enough to keep them honest, short high percentage passes hoping for YAC. It's what you do when you have Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB and no WRs... Not Josh Allen, Diggs, Cook, Kincaid.... But we can agree to disagree here man. I just see a dramatic shift in offensive philosophy with how they constructed game plans, route trees, and eliminated the air raid scheme they would employ at will under Daboll. Everything looked difficult for the offense, because they're not playing to their strengths... So what are they playing to? JMO I guess, but McDermott's desire to play mistake free football with field position, and let his D dominate. Which 20 years ago with Kyle Orton sure.... But it's 2023 and you have QB1 JA17.... This scheme is a joke, not because these coaches don't know what they're doing, it because it's what the HC wants. Yes, yes, and more yes. It's not even on the offensive side that people excuse McD for, they did it for years with Frasier. Frasier was carrying out McD's strategy and philosophy. If McD didn't like it at any point during all of those years, he could have fired him. There has been one constant problem in our postseason disappointments, and anyone being objective can see it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I agree that he has a lot to prove yet but he will at least be more experienced designing and calling plays than Dorsey was in 2021-2022. I hope this experience pays off in spades. In 2021 we were 3rd in scoring and in 2022 we were 2nd. This year we were 6th. I'd take getting back to 2nd or 3rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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