Dr. Who Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: i suspect the Bills wanted McDuffie.. i was watching a podcast last week with Joe B from the Athletic, Matt Parino, Sal Cappaccio … and they said that was the reality .. think those guys might know Well, I recollect @GunnerBill making the argument otherwise, and I thought he had some inside info that confirmed such, but I may be mistaken on the latter. 59 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: We could blow up their draft room?😂😆😂🤷 It was just a joke, but I got a green checkmark. There's no point in telling a joke if you have to explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, Dr. Who said: Well, I recollect @GunnerBill making the argument otherwise, and I thought he had some inside info that confirmed such, but I may be mistaken on the latter. Well … second hand accounts don’t “confirm “ anything … and that is the case with Joe B and Parino as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Well … second hand accounts don’t “confirm “ anything … and that is the case with Joe B and Parino as well I did begin by contextualizing the Chiefs' move as "supposedly" and that Elam was our "likely" target, which is meant to indicate surmise, rather than declarative fact. Regardless, I don't think it is wrong to suspect the Chiefs will be interested in the same type of WR as we are looking for, nor that they have an acquisitive habit of moving up in the draft to get the player they want. It would be foolish to stand pat and expect them not to get ahead of you if there is a specific WR you want. If there are a group of relatively equal rated players on your board, that concern goes away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 2/16/2024 at 8:16 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: The more I look at things, the more I seem to think it's very unlikely either Thomas or Franklin are sitting there at 28. It's going to require a move up for either of them. If one is on the board come pick 21 or 22, I almost expect he will strike to secure one. I don't see it as likely he just stands pat and hopes his guy falls to him. Even if he does fall in love with someone like Mitchell or Legette from that next tier, I don't see him letting someone like KC possibly hop ahead of him and steal them. Unless he loves them both and is willing to take one or the other and neither goes before 27. Yep, i think theres a great chance whoever can move up to anything after pick 15, is going to be a 2pt swing kinda trade. We go up some for Franklin, we get him (+1), and keep him off KC (+1). Opposite if KC does it. Whoevers looking to trade down will know this and leverage us against each other, not only do we have a common need, but a WR could really help tip power balance between the two teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I did begin by contextualizing the Chiefs' move as "supposedly" and that Elam was our "likely" target, which is meant to indicate surmise, rather than declarative fact. Regardless, I don't think it is wrong to suspect the Chiefs will be interested in the same type of WR as we are looking for, nor that they have an acquisitive habit of moving up in the draft to get the player they want. It would be foolish to stand pat and expect them not to get ahead of you if there is a specific WR you want. If there are a group of relatively equal rated players on your board, that concern goes away. Ok .. We are still 10 weeks away and pre Combine and Free Agency so I’m not going to get too hung up anything yet … good chance your man gets picked in the teens and both the Bills and Chiefs miss out Edited February 18 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Ok .. We are still 10 weeks away and pre Combine and Free Agency so I’m not going to get too hung up anything yet … good chance your man gets picked in the teens and both the Bills and Chiefs miss out Yes, it's just speculative, and a lot can change, and there's a decent chance both teams miss out on WR4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 19 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Well, I recollect @GunnerBill making the argument otherwise, and I thought he had some inside info that confirmed such, but I may be mistaken on the latter. It was just a joke, but I got a green checkmark. There's no point in telling a joke if you have to explain it. What do ya mean? 😋 I do also recall that GunnerBill was pretty confident in this, so I’d give it some weight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 16 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: The straw man is the claim that lots of folks who are clamoring for an elite WR believe that acquiring such are saying that holes on D are nullifed by that fact. It's literally the first sentence. If you think that after the tier 1 top 3 WRs, that all those others are in the same grouping, then it doesn't matter which of them you get, and there's no point in blocking the Chiefs from a "tier" with numerous players in it. For certain, one of them is likely to be there for the Chiefs, no matter what you do. My view differs, so the strategy differs. I specifically think Thomas is better than the rest, and I would calculate on that basis. I’m not saying no to an elite receiver. I’m simply saying that I don’t want to trade the 2, 3 or 4 to move up a few spots in round 1. Exceptions exist, of course. If there is only 1 receiver remaining at a certain tier on their board and there is a big drop off from there, fine trade up a few slots. What I don’t want is to wait until pick 99 to make a 2nd pick that is likely to have to play a lot on D. If you feel Thomas Jr is considerably better than Franklin, then I hear you, but from my vantage point I think it’s likely that at least 2 of picks 2, 3 and 4 need to be a S and DT. Those are the rounds where I would rather use the 5ths or 6ths to move up to address D needs. My view will change a lot if somehow they can keep Jones at DT and Rapp a S. Even then, would be wise to get a young player at both positions this year so they have a year before Jones and Poyer leave. I am really not anti-WR, I am strongly in the camp that either 1st or 2nd pick needs to be used there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Augie said: What do ya mean? 😋 I do also recall that GunnerBill was pretty confident in this, so I’d give it some weight. I believe Gunner has never been wrong about anything in his life … except Josh Allen…( most people were to be fair) And his favourite English soccer team 👎 Edited February 18 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) Due to how talented this WR class is and our needs… Draft a WR in Round 1 & another between Rounds 2-4 Edited February 18 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Due to how talented this WR class is and our needs. We should be taking a WR in Round 1 & another between Rounds 2-4 Or you could counter argue that they could pick another position Round 1 , with less depth, and still get quality guys in Rounds 2-4 Edited February 18 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 If we’re looking to add a veteran to replace + upgrade from Gabe Davis, I would look at Cortland Sutton. he’s rumored to be available for a 4th round pick and we can lower his cap hit to 3.5 million. 10TDs on 90 targets last year. Big bodied WR who is great at making difficult catches. I think he could really excel here 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I do wonder how the rankings will change after the Combine and the pro days. Look what the Senior Bowl did for McConkey. Who will be faster than expected? Who slower? Who shorter? Who with a better vertical leap? I don’t think the top 3 will change very much, but if Mitchell runs faster than expected, he could easily move up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Or you could counter argue that they could pick another position Round 1 , and still get quality guys in Rounds 2-4 True. It’ll be more clear in March after the combine. I’m hoping that Thomas Jr or Franklin is still on the board at 28, or least a few spots up within trading range for a reasonable price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I’m not saying no to an elite receiver. I’m simply saying that I don’t want to trade the 2, 3 or 4 to move up a few spots in round 1. Exceptions exist, of course. If there is only 1 receiver remaining at a certain tier on their board and there is a big drop off from there, fine trade up a few slots. What I don’t want is to wait until pick 99 to make a 2nd pick that is likely to have to play a lot on D. If you feel Thomas Jr is considerably better than Franklin, then I hear you, but from my vantage point I think it’s likely that at least 2 of picks 2, 3 and 4 need to be a S and DT. Those are the rounds where I would rather use the 5ths or 6ths to move up to address D needs. My view will change a lot if somehow they can keep Jones at DT and Rapp a S. Even then, would be wise to get a young player at both positions this year so they have a year before Jones and Poyer leave. I am really not anti-WR, I am strongly in the camp that either 1st or 2nd pick needs to be used there. I understand your argument, and I did not interpret your view as anti-WR. I believe you can probably get a few decent DTs at #99 and later. I think you can get a pretty good S later as well. Because of the quality at WR, I am inclined to get multiple players at the position in this draft. I would gamble I could get decent rookie replacements for the D later in the draft. DT doesn't have an elite one I would "have to have" in the first, but there are a few who are round 2 and 3 candidates. I think there are quite a few who will still be there on day 3. There are a bunch of safeties I like who will be gone before #99, so if I want one of that group of about five, I think I have to move up from my third rounder to ensure I get one of them. (#60 is too rich a cost, in my estimation.) I also think I can wait till the 4th to get a reasonable safety. If I end up trading my 4th to move up earlier for a WR, I think I can package a fifth and some of my sixths to get back into the 4th. Lots of different ways it could play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said: I do wonder how the rankings will change after the Combine and the pro days. Look what the Senior Bowl did for McConkey. Who will be faster than expected? Who slower? Who shorter? Who with a better vertical leap? I don’t think the top 3 will change very much, but if Mitchell runs faster than expected, he could easily move up. Adonai seems really overlooked. I like him a lot. Would be thrilled to get him in the 2nd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: True. It’ll be more clear in March after the combine. I’m hoping that Thomas Jr or Franklin is still on the board at 28, or least a few spots up within trading range for a reasonable price Don’t get me wrong … I would be very happy with Thomas and probably Franklin… But if they are both gone … I don’t want them having a mind set that they gotta have a WR at 28… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Adonai seems really overlooked. I like him a lot. Would be thrilled to get him in the 2nd I think there's a pretty good chance he will go in the first, actually. We might take him at #28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Don’t get me wrong … I would be very happy with Thomas and probably Franklin… But if they are both gone … I don’t want them having a mind set that they gotta have a WR at 28… sure, that’s fair. At that point try to trade down and maybe you can grab 2 of them that you have graded as second rounders 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I think there's a pretty good chance he will go in the first, actually. We might take him at #28. Honestly, I think I’d be good with that. He’s still only 21. 6’4 likely has 4.38-4.42 speed. Looks the part. 195 lbs, but can add another 10-15 lbs of muscle to his frame. He has made big plays in big games. Plus I like his first name Edited February 18 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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