BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: Yeah… but some changes are going to need to be made to free us some dollars.. It is but I'm not sure I want to take that big of a downgrade in front of Allen. Morse is the 7th highest paid C in the league at 9.75M, I'm sure we could do better even in the 5M range imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Listen, I know that your team won on Sunday, but I have a name for you. Billy Price. Im not sure of your intentions with this comment? Billy Price was the backup center we traded for BJ Hill who was also a backup. Price was just one of many horrible draft picks we had for about a decade. My comment was in response to Ed's statements regarding "fire sale" trades, which a smart team would have done, but that wasn't us. Edited November 8, 2023 by Caesar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: It is but I'm not sure I want to take that big of a downgrade in front of Allen. Morse is the 7th highest paid C in the league at 9.75M, I'm sure we could do better even in the 5M range imo. Fair enough … your entitled to your opinion… I don’t know who else they are getting next year at $5m who will be an upgrade on Bates.. they save like $1.5m for cutting Bates next year …they gotta a lot of problems next year and this one probably isn’t even in the Top 5 in my view,,, draft someone Day 3 and hope between that and Bates they can get it done for 12 months …gotta take a few risks somewhere Edited November 8, 2023 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Something is going to happen with treys contract He is either going to have to take a severe pay cut or he’s going to be released ACL injury on one side, Achilles injury on the other side and he has shown the propensity to take a long time to get his confidence back The Rasul Douglas acquisition just made that even more apparent to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: We never really had that rookie window because it took Josh two whole seasons to become a franchise QB. Meanwhile, Burrow goes to the SB in year two. That’s the problem with drafting a project, and Beane keeps drafting projects. Nah Bengals didn't ***** around like the Bills did is all Burrow walked into AJ Green and Boyd plus a first rounder spent on Higgins, then another the following year on Chase Allen's intro to the league was courtesy of Deonte Thompson and Victor Bolden Jr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie54 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: We never really had that rookie window because it took Josh two whole seasons to become a franchise QB. Meanwhile, Burrow goes to the SB in year two. That’s the problem with drafting a project, and Beane keeps drafting projects. "Drafting a project" - is that what you're calling Josh, a project? Check his stats out since he entered the league - are those project stats? 15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Fair enough … your entitled to your opinion… I don’t know who else they are getting next year at $5m who will be an upgrade on Bates.. they save like $1.5m for cutting Bates next year …they gotta a lot of problems next year and this one probably isn’t even in the Top 5 in my view,,, draft someone Day 3 and hope between that and Bates they can get it done for 12 months …gotta take a few risks somewhere Bates is a solid value player. Can he be the guy in the middle for an entire season, not sure on that one. They should be able to get a good value draft pick and possibly pick up another vet at a reasonable price to add to the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Caesar said: Im not sure of your intentions with this comment? Billy Price was the backup center we traded for BJ Hill who was also a backup. Price was just one of many horrible draft picks we had for about a decade. My comment was in response to Ed's statements regarding "fire sale" trades, which a smart team would have done, but that wasn't us. My point is that Moe Eggar was laughing out loud at the Bills for drafting Allen the same year that the Bengals took draft bust Price. I know this because i heard it all on my drive from Finneytown to Oxford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Caesar said: Bengals very rarely trade. They had a preseason trade a couple years ago for BJ Hill who was a backup for a backup center. We have had only 2 in-season trades in the last 50 years, both players were upset and demanded trades; Dunlap & Palmer. The Benglas value draft choices more than gold, despite the fact that for 12 seasons prior to Burrow the drafting was pathetically awful. The Bengals disdain for trades is mind-numing pathetic to their fanbase. We could have used a RB, DT and TE.... we made no calls, took no calls while Beane picked up all 3. Fans are less vocal the last couple of seasons because of the current success, but for decades prior we experienced nonstop criminally bad front office and ownership decisions. Well your owner isn't exactly able to play the kind of games the mega wealthy owners are. We had the same situation for years with Ralph. Edited November 8, 2023 by Mikie2times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie54 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, WickedGame said: Just a wild guess here, but anyone think Rasul Douglas could be a long-term answer at safety? We obviously have to replace at least one, maybe two. Douglas has a fairly high cap hit next year, but if the team likes what he brings, they could lower that with a 2- to 3-year extension. Poyer and Hyde were both converted CBs…there’s precedent. Thoughts? I had seen something about the possible Douglas transition to safety when he was first signed here. Can't recall the source, but it mentioned him as a definite safety possibility longer term in his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Ritchie Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, MPL said: I'm not even sure I'd be confident that Poyer or Hyde would be able to give you a full season next year. I'm afraid Poyer's arm is going to fall off every time he makes a tackle, and Hyde seems like he could be one unlucky hit away from being done for good (and luck has not been on our side as of late). I really hope Hyde hangs them up after this year for his and Bills sake. I would hate for us to be tempted to bring him back and personally it seems like he is one hit away from being truly physically broken. Both him and Poyer have been amazing to watch but it’s time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: My point is that Moe Eggar was laughing out loud at the Bills for drafting Allen the same year that the Bengals took draft bust Price. I know this because i heard it all on my drive from Finneytown to Oxford. And? Did you miss the part in which I said we sucked a$$ for multiple years in the draft? Price was just one of many. Im trashing the Benglas and you are still trying to be ***** with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Dubie54 said: Bates is a solid value player. Can he be the guy in the middle for an entire season, not sure on that one. They should be able to get a good value draft pick and possibly pick up another vet at a reasonable price to add to the mix. Well… I’m not sure either … but I just see bigger problems elsewhere that need to be addressed before this one … Early draft picks need to be spent at WR and T in my view …. Need another WR in FA… D Line is thin next year ….(DT as well as DE) At least 1 safety will need to be replaced .. if not both… Whats a reasonable price for Bates replacement? It’s easier said then done that you can upgrade him on the cheap… Edited November 8, 2023 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Well your owner isn't exactly able to play the kind of games the mega wealthy owners are. We had the same situation for years with Ralph. We never restructure, and very very rarely offer multi-year guarantees which has cost us numerous free agents. Mike Brown is on his last leg and we have been improving the last couple of years with him backing off, however even when he is gone we will still be the least wealthiest club and very limited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Caesar said: We never restructure, and very very rarely offer multi-year guarantees which has cost us numerous free agents. Mike Brown is on his last leg and we have been improving the last couple of years with him backing off, however even when he is gone we will still be the least wealthiest club and very limited. Ya...We got really lucky with Terry. We have been used to hard steak as long as basically any of us have been alive. Now it's filets all day. I want to say I hope the same for you guys but lets be honest 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie54 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Well… I’m not sure either … but I just see bigger problems elsewhere that need to be addressed before this one … Early draft picks need to be spent at WR and T in my view …. Need another WR in FA… D Line is thin next year …. At least 1 safety will need to be replaced .. if not both… Whats a reasonable price for Bates replacement? It’s easier said then done that you can upgrade him on the cheap… Have no idea. But I do think the Morse cap hit of $11.5m is one that is ripe for dealing with. If we cut him it's still a $3m hit, but we may be able to find a 4/5th round center option and possibly pick up a vet for $4m and come out of it by saving a few bucks to be used elsewhere. Agree with all of your other priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said: I really hope Hyde hangs them up after this year for his and Bills sake. I would hate for us to be tempted to bring him back and personally it seems like he is one hit away from being truly physically broken. Both him and Poyer have been amazing to watch but it’s time Yeah, I've really enjoyed watching so many of these guys on this roster play over the past 5-6 years. It really is starting to feel like the end for this version of the Bills. This group of players have been so easy and fun to root for that it really is a drag that they didn't get it done (maybe a miracle happens this year?). Regardless, it's been fun and I'm grateful for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dubie54 said: Have no idea. But I do think the Morse cap hit of $11.5m is one that is ripe for dealing with. If we cut him it's still a $3m hit, but we may be able to find a 4/5th round center option and possibly pick up a vet for $4m and come out of it by saving a few bucks to be used elsewhere. Agree with all of your other priorities. I completely agree that they will be forced to move on from Morse …to get that money back …but I’m arguing here that they will have to try to hold it down at C with Bates and that 4/5th Round pick for 12 months given all their other problems Not ideal… by any means … Just looking further at the The D line … they only have like Oliver, Groot , Miller and Kingsley Jonathan under contract next year…so money and some picks are going to be needed to be spent here ., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIT BY SPIKES Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: Bates is Morse’s replacement so we have to keep one of them. Bates is not and never will be a starting OL on any good NFL team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Right, but if we don’t have Bates, we still have to find someone and pay them to play Center. Bates is at a pretty good price for what we’d have to pay a decent center from elsewhere, unless we find someone in the draft. I don’t think we will want to re-sign Hyde bc of age and Poyer might be done too, but we will still need FS and SS replacements, so didn’t know if you had contemplated who that might be. McGovern was the center in Dallas he can easily slide inside you’ll need another guard but that should be too much of an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: McGovern was the center in Dallas he can easily slide inside you’ll need another guard but that should be too much of an issue He mostly played G at Dallas … maybe a game or 2 as C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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