PatsFanNH Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I hear everyone throwing “Elite” around and was wondering what people think makes up an elite QB. Now IMO an elite QB: 1. elevates the players around him. 2. comes threw in the 4th quarter 3. The Team is never out of the game no matter the score. What do you think makes an Elite QB? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropyrules Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 knowing how to spell 1 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, entropyrules said: knowing how to spell Nah! They don’t need that all they have to do is read a D! No need for spelling! Lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 4. Having a coach that's elite at cheating? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, White Linen said: 4. Having a coach that's elite at cheating? Manning, Big Ben and Mahomes have cheating HC? Really? Notice I never said Brady or NE in my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Put physical talent aside. You have to have the physical talent to make all the throws and such. That's a given. What makes the greats great are their ability to master the mental aspects of the position, to be able to read defenses, know where to go with the ball, know when to bail or to change a play, change protection. When you have that then you can make the 4th quarter drives to win, you can elevate guys around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Because the Bills lost yesterday to Joe Burrow and you're answering this question using Tom Brady lenses, I think that on this day we probably have the same answers. I will add Either being a coach/player's son or being film-obsessed to the point that they can overcome the lack of early coaching. Joe Burrow's dad was a DB who had a cup of coffee in the NFL, played in the CFL, and was the DC at Ohio University for fifteen years. You don't think that plays a role in Joe's ability to read a defense? You don't think that Archie taught Eli and Payton to read pressures and coverages while he fed them their mashed peas? Tom Brady and Mahomes watch film to overcome this. Josh Allen plays golf and hosts Halloween parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Manning, Big Ben and Mahomes have cheating HC? Really? Notice I never said Brady or NE in my post. I noticed you got defensive. Really quick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry jones Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Having an OC that doesn't have their head up their own a$$!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 There are a lot of things that factor into being an elite QB. One of which (and maybe the most important) is the COMMITMENT to being elite. I panned people last off season for making too much of Josh's schedule after the season ended. Be it making 100 commercials, vacations, celebrity golf tournaments, public appearances with the celebrity new girlfriend...we sure saw a LOT of Josh. You know what I don't remember seeing? The yearly photos and videos of him working with Jordan Palmer. Any workouts being hosted by our QB with the receivers. You know, football stuff. I'm starting to feel there's something to all that. Flip the script, and look at Burrow. Never left town after the Bengals playoff loss. Didn't go on vacation, as a matter of fact was in the facility the next day. Worked all off season. Doesn't spend his time in front of cameras selling Pepsi. And as a young QB, already in one Super Bowl and baby faced looks...you KNOW companies would kill to have him as a spokesperson. Now I don't begrudge Allen for any of his choices. It's his life, you only get one and you should do what you want. But don't be shocked when those that put in the work supersede you. They earned it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, White Linen said: I noticed you got defensive. Really quick. Probably because you threw out a crap comment that wasn't relevant to the discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Being able to read the defense and find the open guy more times than not and not turning the ball over. Josh is a good to great QB. He can also be very streaky and when he's on he is as good as anyone but if he's off he's ugh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Because the Bills lost yesterday to Joe Burrow and you're answering this question using Tom Brady lenses, I think that on this day we probably have the same answers. I will add Either being a coach/player's son or being film-obsessed to the point that they can overcome the lack of early coaching. Joe Burrow's dad was a DB who had a cup of coffee in the NFL, played in the CFL, and was the DC at Ohio University for fifteen years. You don't think that plays a role in Joe's ability to read a defense? You don't think that Archie taught Eli and Payton to read pressures and coverages while he fed them their mashed peas? Tom Brady and Mahomes watch film to overcome this. Josh Allen plays golf and hosts Halloween parties. Actually I was using Brady,Manning, and Big Ben lenses and if Mahomes. All of them have elevated the players around them, were clutch in the fourth quarter, and all have led large comebacks in both the regular season and playoffs. Heck Allen did it to the Chiefs but left 13 seconds left and never saw the ball again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 i think having a defensive coordinator as your offensive coordinator is a great path. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Dedication to be the best has to be a top criteria. That would require relentless pursuit of that whether it’s extra film study to look for opponents’ weaknesses or offseason training with and without teammates to get better. Always working on improving their own weaknesses to elevate their game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Actually I was using Brady,Manning, and Big Ben lenses and if Mahomes. All of them have elevated the players around them, were clutch in the fourth quarter, and all have led large comebacks in both the regular season and playoffs. Heck Allen did it to the Chiefs but left 13 seconds left and never saw the ball again. My point still stands. Ben Roethlisberger's dad was a QB at Georgia Tech. Phillip Rivers' dad was a HS football coach. As NFL football has gotten increasingly complicated, coaching in the formative years has become more important. Some guys like Brady and Brees are able to overcome this, but having a dad who knows the game inside and out is a HUGE advantage. Also, where you went to HS matters. Brady, I think, is one of the only ones to overcome all these early disadvantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Accuracy, decision making, leadership, composure, among other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropyrules Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 45 minutes ago, entropyrules said: knowing how to spell Note that only the Bills fans got the gibe...we may be saddled with a perennial also ran but darn us Bills fan are full of snark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Mac Jones is a good example The exact opposite of that 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 21 minutes ago, cle23 said: Probably because you threw out a crap comment that wasn't relevant to the discussion. Well I'm not discussing this topic with a Patriots fan after a loss like that. Read the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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