sherpa Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Air craft carriers are involved in humanitarian missions Of course they can be. Something like a western hemisphere earthquake or similar. They are not going to get involved in humanitarian missions with the airwing embarked, and certainly not in any hostile environment. It simply makes no sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 hours ago, sherpa said: They don't share intel beyond a very basic level, as they think the US is incapable of controlling leaks. Good overall post. Not trying to be a d-bag, but perhaps the above is... well, not quite correct. That said, there is an "interesting" dynamic between ISR IC and their counterparts in other countries (as I suspect you are aware). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, yall said: Currently the hot tale is that Hamas intends to depleted the iron dome at which point Hezbollah will start with their arsenal. Depending on how that plays out, that could be the point at which we become involved and assist with taking out sites in Lebanon. That is certainly concerning and a real possibility. If so, it points to a far more detailed and coordinated scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 Fleeing Israel? This will accomplish Hama's task of destroying Israel. Terrified Jewish Americans who fled Israel amid full-scale war with Hamas have landed in the US on last-minute flights out of the Middle East nation. Ben-Gurion Airport, Israel's main international gateway, was packed out by desperate travelers trying to escape on Monday - as the Palestinian militant group launched a rocket strike close to one of the terminals. More than 700 Israelis have been killed since Hamas began a colossal attack over the weekend, per the Israel Defence Forces, while a further 1,200 people have been wounded, many critically. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12610609/Jewish-flights-Israel-Hamas-Tel-Aviv-Ben-Gurion-Airport.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, sherpa said: That is certainly concerning and a real possibility. If so, it points to a far more detailed and coordinated scheme. I think it's fair to conclude that they've thought ahead here, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Nope. I’m just pointing out that what BLMChicago posted is not support of Palestinians… it’s hatred of Jews. Honestly, I’m not sure what is so difficult for you to understand about that tweet. It’s basically someone posting “I stand with Afghanistan” with a picture of two planes hitting the towers. Doesn't say anything about Jews. The Palestians have it pretty bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Dukestreetking said: Good overall post. Not trying to be a d-bag, but perhaps the above is... well, not quite correct. That said, there is an "interesting" dynamic between ISR IC and their counterparts in other countries (as I suspect you are aware). I think it is quite correct. There are all kinds of shared information and coordination on many thigs, but the Israelis, when they are going to do something that is really risky to their forces do not share, unless there is a specific reason to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said: Good overall post. Not trying to be a d-bag, but perhaps the above is... well, not quite correct. That said, there is an "interesting" dynamic between ISR IC and their counterparts in other countries (as I suspect you are aware). please interpret without jargon and ambiguity. IC is intelligence community. ISR is what's discussed here: https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/ISR/. what is meant by the rest? connect the dots.... Edited October 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Kemp said: Wondering if it's naive to see the connection between Trump giving the Russians info on Israel's security, and it going from Russia to their ally, Iran. Robert Malley. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 “The Netanyahu government is moving forward with its aggression and open war against the Palestinian people,” said Wassel Abu Yousef, a Palestinian official in the West Bank. “We affirm that all settler colonialism in all the occupied Palestinian territories is illegitimate and illegal.” Peace Now, an anti-settlement watchdog group, said Israel has now approved over 13,000 settlement housing units this year. That is nearly three times the number of homes approved in all of 2022 and marks the most approvals in any year since it began systematically tracking the planning procedures in 2012. Israel’s government, which took office in late December, is dominated by religious and ultranationalist politicians with close ties to the settlement movement. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, a firebrand settler leader, has been granted Cabinet-level authority over settlement policies and has vowed to double the settler population in the West Bank. https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-settlements-west-bank-biden-49c4788ffc5f5ee41d5c48365ac5395b 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Doesn't say anything about Jews. The Palestians have it pretty bad By saying “that is all” they are very obviously implying “We don’t condemn the terrorist attacks”. They knew exactly what they were doing with that post, and so do you. Don’t play dumb. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, gobills404 said: By saying “that is all” they are very obviously implying “We don’t condemn the terrorist attacks”. They knew exactly what they were doing with that post, and so do you. Don’t play dumb. They didn't say anything about the expanding Israeli settlements either, so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pabstblueribbon said: Robert Malley. interesting. very interesting. but he was a mid level diplomat and trump was prez. what about giving Israeli secrets to the Russians does not concern you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, SCBills said: Nope. I’m just pointing out that what BLMChicago posted is not support of Palestinians… it’s hatred of Jews. Honestly, I’m not sure what is so difficult for you to understand about that tweet. It’s basically someone posting “I stand with Afghanistan” with a picture of two planes hitting the towers. Don't bother he knows what he does 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 I would guess that this attack will be followed by even more settlements https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-settlements-expansion.htmlAfter an attack outside the West Bank settlement of Eli on June 20, in which two Palestinian gunmen killed four Israelis, Mr. Netanyahu announced plans to build an additional 1,000 settler homes there. His government also pressed ahead this week with plans for 4,700 more homes throughout the West Bank — part of a promised total of 10,000 settler housing units that it had already pledged to build earlier this year. Attacks by Palestinians against Israelis living in the settlements and elsewhere have surged this year, as has violence by settlers against Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I think it's fair to conclude that they've thought ahead here, sadly. That could very well be true. Iran and Hezbollah, (who is Iran), if they are on concert with this scheme are probably watching the Israeli response, which is dramatic and probably not to their liking. If they concluded it was worth expanding into additional actions from Lebanon, the Israeli Air Force response would be massive, and it would include support, though not necessarily offensive missions, from the Ford task force. That capability is significant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, sherpa said: That could very well be true. Iran and Hezbollah, (who is Iran), if they are on concert with this scheme are probably watching the Israeli response, which is dramatic and probably not to their liking. If they concluded it was worth expanding into additional actions from Lebanon, the Israeli Air Force response would be massive, and it would include support, though not necessarily offensive missions, from the Ford task force. That capability is significant. but not til after those "real" missiles are sent from Lebanon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: but not til after those "real" missiles are sent from Lebanon. lets hope none of the players in that region have hyper sonics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: They didn't say anything about the expanding Israeli settlements either, so... There is truth here. The Ultra-Orthodox wing of the Israeli government has been pushing more and more West Bank settlements commandeering land previously occupied by Palestinians for many generations. Where those people go nobody seems too concerned. And the Gaza Strip is a slightly more accommodating modern-day version of the WW2 Warsaw Ghetto. That isn't justification for the atrocities committed but it does provide some context to the relationship which is we tell you what to do and you do it or else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 just saw this lady on CNN. she seems well informed and very bright. the interview isn't available yet, but she makes the point that Palestine could have become the UAE but decided to become beirut. I think that's an oversimplification but I think her comments might be meaningful and deeper than most. 5 mins in on this gets interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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