Dr. Who Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Jimmy who? Jimmy Spagnola, a parody account devoted to the genius of Jets' fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 12 hours ago, balln said: I think ppl need to go look at how bad Zach Wilson really is. 2022 the jets team with usually scored 3,10 or 17 points. 20 against us. now there was points 40 against the dolphins in Oct and 24 against pit and gb. But he threw a combined 1 td in those 3 games he should have been totally rendered / made to look like dog feces having to come off the bench against the 3rd favorite Super Bowl team w a defensive coach calling the plays. And I know JA puked on himself. But if there was ever a game that needed to be stolen by our D. It would have been that game vs their OL and that awful qb. And that awful oc. And it didn’t happen. so McD gets to live another week bc Josh was so awful. But I’m not falling for it. I’m watching. He’s feeling the heat. you simply can’t lose a game w Zach Wilson beating you. I don’t care there were 4 turnovers. Really the one that really hurt was Josh fumble field position wise. The other two bombs were punts. Excuse away Josh all you want, this game was lost by Josh. That Jets offense was helped by Josh and you come up with this crap? 🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Just now, Dopey said: Excuse away Josh all you want, this game was lost by Josh. That Jets offense was helped by Josh and you come up with this crap? 🤬 It’s a mcd D thread. I’m not saying Josh made it tough. Get bent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 22 hours ago, Success said: Sorry for the non-Josh Allen thread. All offseason, we wondered how the D would be without Frazier, and w/ McD making the calls. I've never been an x's & o's guy, but what I saw was pretty encouraging.. We were all over the passer, and our line was in the backfield all day. The corners seemed to be playing a bit more press, and for the most part, locked it down. The only issue was giving up some big runs - but there were just a few of those lapses. I think our personnel is better, so it's hard to gauge (Groot is clearly taking a next step, Oliver looks better, Floyd is a great addition, etc.). There is also the consideration that the Jets O-line isn't good. What did everyone think overall? IMO it’s hard to tell considering how poor the QB was behind center for the Jets.(after snap 4 that is) I mean wouldn’t everyone be selling out on the run and daring Wilson to beat them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Dopey said: Excuse away Josh all you want, this game was lost by Josh. That Jets offense was helped by Josh and you come up with this crap? 🤬 Josh needs to play smart. He has the intellect for it. It is a question of will, so ultimately it is a character thing. (Unless he is really bad at seeing the field. That would add to the concerns, because for whatever reason, he is ignoring open receivers in the short and mid-range routes.) There is an old saying, "character is destiny." I believe he will get there, but it's not a certainty and you can't fix ingrained tendencies by flipping a switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 14 hours ago, PBF81 said: Well, like I pointed out somewhere recently, last season we held the Jets to 20 and 12, this season to 16 in regulation. We had the 2nd ranked defense in the league. 5 other teams held them to fewer than 12 points and they were ranked 3rd, 11th, 12th, 24th, and 25th. On top of that, three additional teams and one of the same, NE, held them to fewer than 20. Those teams were ranked 5th, 11th, 15th, and 29th. In light of that, I'm not sure that holding essentially the same team to 16 in regulation, with a QB that wasn't even prepared to play, is any significant achievement. We'll see, tomorrow will be a notably bigger test. Fan energy will be at peak so that even favors us. I expect Allen to rebound in spades but the D to not hold the Raiders to under 20. And if we can't stop Jacobs ... Did you check to see how many turnovers those team’s QB gifted the Jets while holding them to fewer than 12 points ? Only on TBD will fans try to excuse away that performance by Josh. This was not on the defense. It was all on Super Josh. 7 minutes ago, balln said: It’s a mcd D thread. I’m not saying Josh made it tough. Get bent I know it’s a Mcd thread. You actually should say Josh made it tough. No, you should say Josh lost the game AND put the defense in a bad spot. More than once. Whatever get bent means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Jimmy Spagnola, a parody account devoted to the genius of Jets' fans. Ahh, ... here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Dopey said: Did you check to see how many turnovers those team’s QB gifted the Jets while holding them to fewer than 12 points ? Only on TBD will fans try to excuse away that performance by Josh. This was not on the defense. It was all on Super Josh. I know it’s a Mcd thread. You actually should say Josh made it tough. No, you should say Josh lost the game AND put the defense in a bad spot. More than once. Whatever get bent means. I’ll comment on whatever relevant I deem. Hence the whole point of a message board. the D is exactly The same. They lost to zach Wilson. A really bad qb. They play ok. They give up 3 and really longs. They give up massive run plays. They don’t come up in clutch. 13 seconds is the ultimate example. McD doesn’t have them lined up, doesn’t get out of nickel , even as teams are trying to pound it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dopey said: Did you check to see how many turnovers those team’s QB gifted the Jets while holding them to fewer than 12 points ? Only on TBD will fans try to excuse away that performance by Josh. This was not on the defense. It was all on Super Josh. I didn't say otherwise, I don't think. I was reacting to the notion that the D played well and all but perfectly when that's simply not true. But if the D doesn't allow Hall to go 83 on a "misalignment" (that clearly doesn't have anything to do with McD on a side note, ... sarcasm), then it's all a non-issue. The point of posting what I did was to show that holding the Jets to 16 in regulation is hardly some feat associated only with top defenses. To your point however, last season when we allowed them 12 points, we gifted them none. So there's that. As I said, five teams, most ranked nowhwere near our #2 ranking, held them to fewer than 12 points, three times also with no "gifted" turnovers, twice with 1 "gifted" turnover, both of those times in the 4th Qs well after those games were over. The Jets breached the 20 point mark in only 6 games last season. My point on Allen is that if he hits even one of those INT'd passes for a completion that results in a TD or long gain to set up a TD, then he's a hero that can "thread a needle like noone" and the conversation is completely different. Also, it's ironic to blame Allen when the only reason we've had winning records here, and four playoff wins, is entirely because of Allen. Anyone thinking that McD would have had this team making the playoffs regularly much less winning the division with the likes of the QBs w've had during the drought era has their reality clouded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, PBF81 said: The point of posting what I did was to show that holding the Jets to 16 in regulation is hardly some feat associated only with top defenses. Exactly. This 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Ahh, ... here? It's a Bills' fan who writes it. Pretty funny, but not really going to find an audience after last week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, PBF81 said: 27 minutes ago, PBF81 said: I didn't say otherwise, I don't think. I was reacting to the notion that the D played well and all but perfectly when that's simply not true. But if the D doesn't allow Hall to go 83 on a "misalignment" (that clearly doesn't have anything to do with McD on a side note, ... sarcasm), then it's all a non-issue. The point of posting what I did was to show that holding the Jets to 16 in regulation is hardly some feat associated only with top defenses. To your point however, last season when we allowed them 12 points, we gifted them none. So there's that. As I said, five teams, most ranked nowhwere near our #2 ranking, held them to fewer than 12 points, three times also with no "gifted" turnovers, twice with 1 "gifted" turnover, both of those times in the 4th Qs well after those games were over. The Jets breached the 20 point mark in only 6 games last season. My point on Allen is that if he hits even one of those INT'd passes for a completion that results in a TD or long gain to set up a TD, then he's a hero that can "thread a needle like noone" and the conversation is completely different. Also, it's ironic to blame Allen when the only reason we've had winning records here, and four playoff wins, is entirely because of Allen. Anyone thinking that McD would have had this team making the playoffs regularly much less winning the division with the likes of the QBs w've had during the drought era has their reality clouded. Ironic?! He blamed himself for the loss, no matter how many games he’s won for us. Plus, he’s the only reason to Allen apologists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 well that opening drive was an embarrassing display of Defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Bills fans shriek for a more aggressive defense, and then when the classic aggression beaters beat them, shriek just the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dopey said: Ironic?! He blamed himself for the loss, no matter how many games he’s won for us. Plus, he’s the only reason to Allen apologists. What's said and reality aren't always perfectly matching. Just sayin'. BTW, so far our illustrious defense isn't looking so good further validating the point. Edited September 17, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) This guy stinks ! Edited September 17, 2023 by Teddy KGB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Patient and smart today. I'd like to see him get after Garropolo a bit more 'cuz he'll fold like a cheap tent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 On 9/16/2023 at 1:33 PM, PBF81 said: The only problem with that is that the Jets' OL isn't ranked very well by anyone. Few rankings have it above 20th, most have it in the bottom quartile. 11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: Jimmy? Is that you? 11 hours ago, PBF81 said: Jimmy who? 11 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Jimmy Spagnola, a parody account devoted to the genius of Jets' fans. “That means in the upper quartile of winners were in the top quartile of that upper quartile.” Jim Irsay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: “That means in the upper quartile of winners were in the top quartile of that upper quartile.” Jim Irsay Didn't read carefully the original quote. Just saw Jets and Jimmy . . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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