Mr. WEO Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 55 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yes, that's what I'm saying. Most teams don't have 2 good tackles so why would any of them have more than 4 playable OT's and just release one? Dallas released Peters. So did the Bears... 52 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: agreed, but I can’t imagine going into the season with no Doyle and the disaster at RT currently. Not sure there is a better RT around. Hopefully his age won’t stop Bean. See above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleSammy Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, EffKCChiefs said: Tried to tell several of you that Dawkins was trash and got flamed for it. Brown shouldn't be a starter either he has regressed mightily. Its a real problem. Dawkins, he should change his nickname to the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man - fat, slow and soft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Dallas released Peters. So did the Bears... Dallas and Chicago didn't release Peters..........they had no control over Peters..........he signed one year deals and became a free agent as soon as the season ended. You understand how this works, right? He and Ndamukong Suh are two freaks of nature that are much older than anyone else at their positions but have continually proven they can step in WHENEVER and play good football. They just have no interest in spending the offseason required to attend team activities or training camp. They have both just been picking and choosing when they want to play and whether they want to play with the interested teams. Edited August 21, 2023 by BADOLBILZ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 hours ago, boyst said: This dude will make two NFL all decade teams and the HOF. I hate that we ever let him go. Well, we may have traded an all-time HOF LT, but we did use the #1 pick from the trade to draft this guy. Sure it took him many years to be anything really good, but just look at him, he fit right in, classic Drought-Era move. . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 1:54 PM, BADOLBILZ said: I don't think he can hold up physically to play 90% of snaps anymore. Yeah he was still doing that in 2021 but, I mean, dude is 41 now. I think you'd just view him as a way better replacement for Quessenberry at this point. Maybe the biggest thing he could do is help Dion Dawkins learn what it takes to extend his career. Dion at 28 was blocking at a level like Peters at 38. That shouldn't be. Dion should be in his prime now and he's trailing off significantly. Maybe he could help wake Dion up and help extend his career. Like I said, Bills fans think he's a malcontent because the Bills tried to move him to LT and pay him RT money and he wanted fair market compensation for the bump in responsibility...........but he's been renowned as a GREAT teammate and leader for the vast majority of his career. Actually, the Bills were paying Peters low-end RT money -- and wanted to continue to do that -- even though Peters made the Pro Bowl and 2nd team All Pro at LT. The LT whom Peters replaced left in free agency the next season and signed for more than the Bills were paying Peters IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 9:55 AM, McBean said: this. Give me a 100 year old Peters at RT over Spencer Brown. Seriously, I think I agree. I think that is a better player for the position and gets us a better O line! Do it! On 8/19/2023 at 11:19 AM, Kirby Jackson said: Jason Peters would be the 2nd best tackle on the Bills. That’s pretty sad. If you have a chance to sign him, you should. Correct and correct, sign him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 3:12 PM, Mr. WEO said: That's a different question than "should the Bills pay a 42 year old Tackle over a million to coach other O-line vets for a year".... Jason Peters would not factor into Josh Allen's health. Meh, I think I disagree. IF Peters can improve the roster, you do it. IF it is for mentorship and coaching you don't. I think he can improve our Oline. It's hard to say, it's sad, but, true, I'm kind of dumb, but, so are you.............Gordie Downie, The Tragically Hip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Rico said: Well, we may have traded an all-time HOF LT, but we did use the #1 pick from the trade to draft this guy. Sure it took him many years to be anything really good, but just look at him, he fit right in, classic Drought-Era move. . The resident Jason Peters haters used to scoff when I told them that not only was Peters great and played a more important position but that despite being in his 6th year when Wood was a rookie that Peters would be in the league well after Wood was gone. @PromoTheRobot used to keep us constantly updated with ANY negative press about Peters until well past the point that he was a HOF'er. Of course he used to do that about Bryant McKinnie as well.........in support of the decision to draft "Big Mike" Williams instead. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Rico said: Well, we may have traded an all-time HOF LT, but we did use the #1 pick from the trade to draft this guy. Sure it took him many years to be anything really good, but just look at him, he fit right in, classic Drought-Era move. . I like him as a person. Unimpressed as a player. The personification of drought era Bills. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The resident Jason Peters haters used to scoff when I told them that not only was Peters great and played a more important position but that despite being in his 6th year when Wood was a rookie that Peters would be in the league well after Wood was gone. @PromoTheRobot used to keep us constantly updated with ANY negative press about Peters until well past the point that he was a HOF'er. Of course he used to do that about Bryant McKinnie as well.........in support of the decision to draft "Big Mike" Williams instead. He had a mean streak, I can see how people were fooled by him. "I'm hongry, damn it!" "I've gotta drop a deuce, damn it!" Edited August 21, 2023 by Rico 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 20 hours ago, AuntieEm said: He had a contract to play RT once he showed at LT he was underpaid. I hated him forcing his way out of Buffali but I couldn't fault him who knows how much quicker the drought would have ended if he remained a Bill had they reworked his deal fairly. Easily could have made difference in making playoffs. If anybody wants evidence that the Bills under Ralph Wilson put profits over winning in his last fifteen years as owner, compare the players the Bills drafted and/or developed that they traded away or allowed to walk in free agency and those that they kept. The list of ex-Bills who went on to star for other teams is far longer than the players the Bills kept who became more than JAGs. Jason Peters, Marshawn Lynch, and Stephon Gilmore all became All Pros for other teams after the Bills sent them packing -- and won SB rings, too. Antoine Winfield, Sr made the Pro Bowl three times and was also named 2nd team All Pro. Willis McGahee made the Pro Bowl twice for two different teams (Baltimore and Denver). There were many more. Kyle Williams was one of the few good home-grown players the Bills kept. They were much more likely to keep players like Chris Kelsay, Lee Evans, and Leodis McKelvin. 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yes, that's what I'm saying. Most teams don't have 2 good tackles so why would any of them have more than 4 playable OT's and just release one? IMO, the only way the Bills can hope to improve their OT situation via other teams' castoffs is if they find a very raw rookie/2nd year player that another team tries to stash on their practice squad. That player would be unlikely to be of much help this season though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoTier said: If anybody wants evidence that the Bills under Ralph Wilson put profits over winning in his last fifteen years as owner, compare the players the Bills drafted and/or developed that they traded away or allowed to walk in free agency and those that they kept. The list of ex-Bills who went on to star for other teams is far longer than the players the Bills kept who became more than JAGs. Jason Peters, Marshawn Lynch, and Stephon Gilmore all became All Pros for other teams after the Bills sent them packing -- and won SB rings, too. Antoine Winfield, Sr made the Pro Bowl three times and was also named 2nd team All Pro. Willis McGahee made the Pro Bowl twice for two different teams (Baltimore and Denver). There were many more. Kyle Williams was one of the few good home-grown players the Bills kept. They were much more likely to keep players like Chris Kelsay, Lee Evans, and Leodis McKelvin. IMO, the only way the Bills can hope to improve their OT situation via other teams' castoffs is if they find a very raw rookie/2nd year player that another team tries to stash on their practice squad. That player would be unlikely to be of much help this season though. We need a Wyatt teller opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, boyst said: I like him as a person. Unimpressed as a player. The personification of drought era Bills. Yeah Eric Wood was a very scheme specific player. He was pretty athletic but he was beyond overmatched against power........to the extent that a big DT literally snapped his leg when Wood tried to engage in a test of strength with him. He eventually learned how to stop trying to out-physical opponents after numerous injuries as a result of over-estimating his ability..........and just block the edges of defenders...........and that made him effective in systems where he could be put on the move later in his career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah Eric Wood was a very scheme specific player. He was pretty athletic but he was beyond overmatched against power........to the extent that a big DT literally snapped his leg when Wood tried to engage in a test of strength with him. He eventually learned how to stop trying to out-physical opponents after numerous injuries as a result of over-estimating his ability..........and just block the edges of defenders...........and that made him effective in systems where he could be put on the move later in his career. Bingo. His tough, badass attitude was cute with Maybin, though. Wood started at Guard, and Geoff Hangartner played Center. Hangartners injury caused Wood to move to Center. He may have been better as a guard. Levitre was a better lineman than Wood, too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah Eric Wood was a very scheme specific player. He was pretty athletic but he was beyond overmatched against power........to the extent that a big DT literally snapped his leg when Wood tried to engage in a test of strength with him. He eventually learned how to stop trying to out-physical opponents after numerous injuries as a result of over-estimating his ability..........and just block the edges of defenders...........and that made him effective in systems where he could be put on the move later in his career. 2 hours ago, boyst said: Bingo. His tough, badass attitude was cute with Maybin, though. Wood started at Guard, and Geoff Hangartner played Center. Hangartners injury caused Wood to move to Center. He may have been better as a guard. Levitre was a better lineman than Wood, too. Stop this ***** right now. Wood was very good when he got the neck diagnosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 9 hours ago, SoTier said: Actually, the Bills were paying Peters low-end RT money -- and wanted to continue to do that -- even though Peters made the Pro Bowl and 2nd team All Pro at LT. The LT whom Peters replaced left in free agency the next season and signed for more than the Bills were paying Peters IIRC. Classic Ralph at his football worst. As soon as I saw the contract, I knew they undersold him as a RT and would switch him to left. I think it took like 3 weeks, due to, cough, 'injury'. Ralph screwed this fan-base so many times over the years by hard-ballin' great players. Can't blame Peters for bailing. Look at this crap- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/jason-peters-1179/cash-earnings/ Always gonna love this play... I was so optimistic haha: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Classic Ralph at his football worst. As soon as I saw the contract, I knew they undersold him as a RT and would switch him to left. I think it took like 3 weeks, due to, cough, 'injury'. Ralph screwed this fan-base so many times over the years by hard-ballin' great players. Can't blame Peters for bailing. Look at this crap- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/jason-peters-1179/cash-earnings/ Always gonna love this play... I was so optimistic haha: JP's first NFL TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, CSBill said: JP's first NFL TD. And then the back-to-back 83 yard TD's to #83, Lee Evans... I was so pumped- it was a sign from God himself!!! or maybe something else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: And then the back-to-back 83 yard TD's to #83, Lee Evans... I was so pumped- it was a sign from God himself!!! or maybe something else Unfortunately, a "sign' of the apocalypse from the book of Revelation, not a future blessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, CSBill said: Unfortunately, a "sign' of the apocalypse from the book of Revelation, not a future blessing. If he'd kept the problem to 40 days and 40 nights, I would've been fine with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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