Report: Bills allegedly privately open to trading Diggs "under the right circumstances"

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Mahomes also had a passing camp before the draft where he threw to his receivers and draft prospects. That’s something I’d love for Allen to do. Not only would the timing with Bills receivers improved but also scout draft prospects as well. Chiefs drafted Rashee Rice who was among several prospects that attended that camp to work out with Mahomes.

 

This doesn’t mean Allen is bad because he doesn’t do this in the offseason. I know you’re hyper sensitive to anything Allen related. I agree with you that what he does is his business in the offseason. This is just the type of extra stuffs that I’d wish Allen do. Especially with how last season ended. But then again, who knows if Bills receivers would show up on their own time for something like that. Especially Diggs. 

I'm not "hyper sensitive" about anything "Allen related".  I just can't stomach unfair, biased hit pieces on the 2nd best (soon to be best) QB in Bills history on a Bills message board.

 

Allen does work with his new receivers - at OTA's.

 

How do you know that Allen isn't doing "extra stuff".  Pretty presumptuous of you to declare that he isn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[90sBills]

32 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm not "hyper sensitive" about anything "Allen related".  I just can't stomach unfair, biased hit pieces on the 2nd best (soon to be best) QB in Bills history on a Bills message board.

 

Allen does work with his new receivers - at OTA's.

 

How do you know that Allen isn't doing "extra stuff".  Pretty presumptuous of you to declare that he isn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well since he’s one of the premier qbs in the league if he did something like that sports media would report it like they did with Mahomes. And of course he’ll work with his receivers during OTA’s. I’m assuming Mahomes does too along with all the league’s qbs. I think you missed the ‘extra work’ part in my post.

 

Being hyper sensitive in the same post proclaiming you’re not hyper sensitive is ironic…and amusing. 

[CincyBillsFan]

17 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Well since he’s one of the premier qbs in the league if he did something like that sports media would report it like they did with Mahomes. And of course he’ll work with his receivers during OTA’s. I’m assuming Mahomes does too along with all the league’s qbs. I think you missed the ‘extra work’ part in my post.

 

Being hyper sensitive in the same post proclaiming you’re not hyper sensitive is ironic…and amusing. 

Nitpicking Allen to death on a Buffalo Bills message board is weird.

 

 

[Aimee75]

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

My guess is that they're not fans of the Bills but are posing as fans.  What other logical explanation is there?

 

A lot of the stuff these people post goes way beyond proper criticism of where & how Allen might get even better. Beck Water is a great example of a Bills FAN using a proper balance in his criticizing of Allen. But the stuff a lot of these people throw out about Allen is, pardon my French, BS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you. How can you be a Bills fan, suffer for many years after all those SB losses with a horrible drought, and then complain about a QB who has taken us very close to the promise land? I honestly did not think I would see something like that again in my lifetime. Instead, I see "what if we got Mahomes??" and a good number of people tearing Josh down, acting like he's not one of the best things to happen to this franchise in a long time. It's mind boggling. I am not saying that he doesn't make mistakes or doesn't have things he can improve on/fix, but really? I also don't think Mahomes works magic here in Buffalo anymore than Josh does. We don't have Andy Reid, and I do like Sean a lot, but he's not Reid.

[Aimee75]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You do realize that no team is stacked like teams were in the early 80's and 90's?   Right?   Do I need to explain why?  The league was very top heavy then.   The Bills literally rank about the same roster-wise.......relative to the rest of the NFL.......as they did then.   Top 3 NFL roster every year since 2020.   You need to let the 1990's go.  Seriously.  The high expectations for today's Bills are realistic.  

 

If you think Bills fans or WNY media are hard on the team you are very ignorant about how the Bills are treated relative to teams in other markets.   Buffalo is a sheltered market to play in.   The Bills and other NFL teams are a multi-billion dollar assets because their fans are passionate about the team........in the world some of you want pro sports to exist that money and generational wealth for the players you want to adore would not be there.   The type of people who have been fans since 1998 but have just 28 posts on the teams premier message board since 1998 aren't the kind of passionate that drives revenue.   You are casuals.  So learn to take criticism with a grain.   

Wow, did I strike a nerve BADOLBILZ? I don't need explaining from you on how teams run these days. I have let go of the 1990's, but I don't need your permission. My point is Josh and Diggs are running this show IMHO, where the 90's Bills had a lot more to work with. As for teams being top heavy, oh, I don't know, try telling that to The Bengals, 49ers, Eagles, hell, even The Dolphins. Those teams look pretty stacked on talent on all sides of the ball.

 

I have been a fan since 1988, and may have "28 posts", but have been a part of this forum since 2004. I used to post at BillsZone too, back in the day. Hell, we can add Twitter and Reddit while I am at it. Can I maintain my Bills fan card? 

 

 

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm not "hyper sensitive" about anything "Allen related".  I just can't stomach unfair, biased hit pieces on the 2nd best (soon to be best) QB in Bills history on a Bills message board.

 

Allen does work with his new receivers - at OTA's.

 

How do you know that Allen isn't doing "extra stuff".  Pretty presumptuous of you to declare that he isn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I feel the same way. How can a long time Bills fan complain about him? Like, how? I get that he had a lot of turnovers last year, and I honestly think his elbow was a big source of a lot, and sometimes he would make a bad decision. Guess what? They all do. I do believe there was a game last year in which Mahomes threw about 3 INT's(I think it was against Denver) and Joe Burrow sure as hell wasn't lighting it up against the Baltimore Ravens in the playoffs. Took a Ravens player fumbling the ball and Cincy running it back to win that game. 

 

Acting like Josh isn't something special is mind boggling, and makes me think it is either people who did not like it when we drafted him and didn't want to be wrong(though you would think in this case Bills fans would be happy to be wrong), trolls or just plain old self loathing people. I don't get it.

 

 

[Aimee75]

1 hour ago, Ga boy said:

Just dreaming but put JA17 and Diggs on those SB teams and we win all 4.  I agree that the teams then were stacked.  If Cooks resembles Thurmond, then we gotta chance.  Go Bills 🦬

I am looking forward to seeing what Cook can do, and Damien Harris. Really hope we can get our run game going and not relying on Josh for that.

[90sBills]

19 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Nitpicking Allen to death on a Buffalo Bills message board is weird.

 

 

Yes it would be. This isn’t what I’m doing. Having critiques and high expectations for our elite qb is not nitpicking. But I can see how someone overly sensitive would see it that way. 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Aimee75 said:

 My point is Josh and Diggs are running this show IMHO, where the 90's Bills had a lot more to work with. As for teams being top heavy, oh, I don't know, try telling that to The Bengals, 49ers, Eagles, hell, even The Dolphins. Those teams look pretty stacked on talent on all sides of the ball.

 

 

This will be the 4th year in a row where the Bills will take a roster that's AT the top or very near the top of the league.........so your "we have only had Josh and Diggs" take is just something you've drummed up as an excuse.    The Bills are no more than 1 player lesser than teams like KC/Philly/Cinci going into this season.   That player is WR2.   The gap isn't much.....if ANY different.....than the Bills and the Cowboys/Niners/Redskins rosters in that era of their last 3 SB appearances.

[Aimee75]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

This will be the 4th year in a row where the Bills will take a roster that's AT the top or very near the top of the league.........so your "we have only had Josh and Diggs" take is just something you've drummed up as an excuse.    The Bills are no more than 1 player lesser than teams like KC/Philly/Cinci going into this season.   That player is WR2.   The gap isn't much.....if ANY different.....than the Bills and the Cowboys/Niners/Redskins rosters in that era of their last 3 SB appearances.

Okay, remove Josh and Diggs from this offense. Where do you rank them? Gabe Davis is WR2 and he was a disappointment last year. So was Lil Dirty. I love Dawson Knox, but I think he is a decent tight end, but not on the same level as Kelce or Kittle or Gronk was.

 

As for our defense, I think they are overrated. We have some stars, but as a collective they have let us down at the worst possible times. There was no excuse for them to be as MIA against Cincy as they were, Von or not, with the Bengals depleted offensive line. I am not ever counting on our defense to get us over that hump.

 

I will give the whole team some grace though for last year, because it was rough and probably mentally draining, but again, if you removed Josh and Stef from this team I don't think they would be considered a top team.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

This will be the 4th year in a row where the Bills will take a roster that's AT the top or very near the top of the league.........so your "we have only had Josh and Diggs" take is just something you've drummed up as an excuse.    The Bills are no more than 1 player lesser than teams like KC/Philly/Cinci going into this season.   That player is WR2.   The gap isn't much.....if ANY different.....than the Bills and the Cowboys/Niners/Redskins rosters in that era of their last 3 SB appearances.

You're ignoring a huge difference in O line talent between the top teams and the Bills the last couple of seasons.  Hopefully that has been repaired enough to get Buffalo over the hump.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

49 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

You're ignoring a huge difference in O line talent between the top teams and the Bills the last couple of seasons.  Hopefully that has been repaired enough to get Buffalo over the hump.

 

 

 

No I think you you are ignoring that the Bengals OL has been worse than the Bills the past 2 years and they lost a close game in the SB and nearly beat the Chiefs again in the AFCCG in that span.   Beating the league's premier team in the Chiefs in 4 of their last 5 meetings.   Hell they beat the Bills in Buffalo with an OL full of backups to their already not-good OL.

 

Much to the chagrin of many the Bengals are very current proof that you don't necessarily even need a "good" OL to get to a SB.    The quality of your WR corps has actually proven to be more of an indicator of top end success in the past 6 years..........hence the concern about the position.

 

That being said........offensive lines are part of the equation for sure and everyone would prefer to have a good one and Philly and KC do have very good ones.   In the case of Philly it really elevates their QB from good to excellent.   But the rest of the perceived "contenders" like Buffalo, Cinci, San Francisco, Miami and NY Jets are all projected to rank between 17-24 by PFF this year.   

 

 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

No I think you you are ignoring that the Bengals OL has been worse than the Bills the past 2 years and they lost a close game in the SB and nearly beat the Chiefs again in the AFCCG in that span.   Beating the league's premier team in the Chiefs in 4 of their last 5 meetings.   Hell they beat the Bills in Buffalo with an OL full of backups to their already not-good OL.

 

Much to the chagrin of many the Bengals are very current proof that you don't necessarily even need a "good" OL to get to a SB.    The quality of your WR corps has actually proven to be more of an indicator of top end success in the past 6 years..........hence the concern about the position.

 

That being said........offensive lines are part of the equation for sure and everyone would prefer to have a good one and Philly and KC do have very good ones.   In the case of Philly it really elevates their QB from good to excellent.   But the rest of the perceived "contenders" like Buffalo, Cinci, San Francisco, Miami and NY Jets are all projected to rank between 17-24 by PFF this year.   

 

 

Philly also has two beast receivers on the outside. Something Josh Allen has NEVER had in his career. And may never have. Especially with Beanedermott being extended

[CincyBillsFan]

12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

No I think you you are ignoring that the Bengals OL has been worse than the Bills the past 2 years and they lost a close game in the SB and nearly beat the Chiefs again in the AFCCG in that span.   Beating the league's premier team in the Chiefs in 4 of their last 5 meetings.   Hell they beat the Bills in Buffalo with an OL full of backups to their already not-good OL.

 

Much to the chagrin of many the Bengals are very current proof that you don't necessarily even need a "good" OL to get to a SB.    The quality of your WR corps has actually proven to be more of an indicator of top end success in the past 6 years..........hence the concern about the position.

 

That being said........offensive lines are part of the equation for sure and everyone would prefer to have a good one and Philly and KC do have very good ones.   In the case of Philly it really elevates their QB from good to excellent.   But the rest of the perceived "contenders" like Buffalo, Cinci, San Francisco, Miami and NY Jets are all projected to rank between 17-24 by PFF this year.   

 

 

Last season the Bengals O line was better then the Bills and this was true even with the injuries.  I watched a lot of Bengal games living in Cincy and IMO this is not debatable.  Also what is also not debatable is that the Bengals have far more elite/very good offensive play makers then the Bills.  And finally the Bengal's Defensive Coordinator was much better then the Bills Defensive Coordinator.

 

The two SB teams last year had the best O lines - go figure.

 

Last season Buffalo had a worse O line then Cinci, Miami & SF. The Jet's O line sucked and they finished 7 - 10 so why are they in the conversation? 

 

PFF projections are fine but they're just PROJECTIONS.  I put more wait on their evaluation of units in hind site which is much more accurate.

 

For the record, if the Bills O line finishes rated 24 then they will again likely lose in the Divisional playoff round.  If they're ranked 17 then there is a good chance the Bills are in the SB.  That's how little an improvement will be needed with Allen at QB.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mannc]

On 7/1/2023 at 6:11 AM, NewEra said:

Enter Dalton Kincaid. 

Out of boredom, I watched a replay of the 2022 PAC 12 Championship Game last night.  Kincaid was bad.  He was not even Utah’s best tight  end that night, and he dropped an EASY 5-yard soft toss for a TD.😮

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, mannc said:

Out of boredom, I watched a replay of the 2022 PAC 12 Championship Game last night.  Kincaid was bad.  He was not even Utah’s best tight  end that night, and he dropped an EASY 5-yard soft toss for a TD.😮

Did you watch Josh Allen vs the Bengals too?  

[4merper4mer]

28 minutes ago, mannc said:

Out of boredom, I watched a replay of the 2022 PAC 12 Championship Game last night.  Kincaid was bad.  He was not even Utah’s best tight  end that night, and he dropped an EASY 5-yard soft toss for a TD.😮

I watched the Marlins play Thursday night. Arraez went 0-3. Dude can’t hit.

[Beck Water]

On 7/1/2023 at 2:43 PM, 90sBills said:

Well since he’s one of the premier qbs in the league if he did something like that sports media would report it like they did with Mahomes. And of course he’ll work with his receivers during OTA’s. I’m assuming Mahomes does too along with all the league’s qbs. I think you missed the ‘extra work’ part in my post.

 

Mahomes working out with some of the receivers in the draft is, IMO, almost Belicheck-like  skirting of the regulations about team visits and work outs.  It's entirely possible Allen was still resting and rehabbing his elbow at that point pre-draft.  It's also entirely possible that isn't something the Bills would like him to do.

 

Whether or not something is reported, depends upon who is involved and whether or not the players want it reported.  In the past, players have talked in pre-season about going out to throw with Josh, and it was never reported until they said something.  When Diggs helped get Josh and the receivers together in 2020 when OTAs were cancelled, it was reported because the players wanted it to be.  They invited Buffalo photographer Joe Croom (and I think a videographer), and he posted photos and some videos of the workouts. 

 

But if they didn't do that, who would know?  There are a lot of quality football fields in the country.  The sports media isn't staking out every one.  They aren't even staking out all of the ones near locations where Allen is known to be staying.

 

 

[mannc]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Did you watch Josh Allen vs the Bengals too?  

I’m not saying Kincaid sucks…I loved the pick.  Just providing a data-point.  And I do think it’s probably unrealistic to think he’ll be a big difference-maker this year.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

I’m not saying Kincaid sucks…I loved the pick.  Just providing a data-point.  And I do think it’s probably unrealistic to think he’ll be a big difference-maker this year.

The utes ran the ball down their throats alls game and dominated.  They didn’t need him to do anything

[mannc]

6 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I watched the Marlins play Thursday night. Arraez went 0-3. Dude can’t hit.

There are 162 baseball games per season…and only 12 college football games per season. How Kincaid performed in the biggest game of the year is a data-point worth considering, don’t you think?

And we were also told Kincaid never drops the ball, but here he was with a drop as bad as any in Gabe Davis’s or Dawson Knox’s careers…

Just now, NewEra said:

The utes ran the ball down their throats alls game and dominated.  They didn’t need him to do anything

And yet the other Utah TE had a really nice game…so they must have needed something