Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[DaVinci]

Not impressed. What's the cost to 

Hang out there.

[eball]

29 minutes ago, DaVinci said:

Not impressed. What's the cost to 

Hang out there.

[Billsfanatic8989]

They will sell the stadium out. It will look better than the Ralph. But I am worried the atmosphere in terms of fan noise etc will not be the same. 

[Mango]

16 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

They will sell the stadium out. It will look better than the Ralph. But I am worried the atmosphere in terms of fan noise etc will not be the same. 

 Modern stadiums are regularly rumbling at 130 decibels. The Ralph isn't. Watch the screen, we are regularly at like 105 decibels on key 3rd/4th downs.

 

Enclosing the end zones is going to make a world of difference.

 

For reference KC sells ear plugs and Tylenol at their concessions. The Ralph has never been as consistently as loud as KC was when I was there and it wasn't close. And it's all because of stadium design.

[Billsfanatic8989]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 Modern stadiums are regularly rumbling at 130 decibels. The Ralph isn't. Watch the screen, we are regularly at like 105 decibels on key 3rd/4th downs.

 

Enclosing the end zones is going to make a world of difference.

 

For reference KC sells ear plugs and Tylenol at their concessions. The Ralph has never been as consistently as loud as KC was when I was there and it wasn't close. And it's all because of stadium design.

KC is an exception to the rule. It's like a college stadium where the opponent can't hear a thing. Buffalo has that blue collar affect that will be missing at this stadium. 

[Tierlifer]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

 Modern stadiums are regularly rumbling at 130 decibels. The Ralph isn't. Watch the screen, we are regularly at like 105 decibels on key 3rd/4th downs.

 

Enclosing the end zones is going to make a world of difference.

 

For reference KC sells ear plugs and Tylenol at their concessions. The Ralph has never been as consistently as loud as KC was when I was there and it wasn't close. And it's all because of stadium design.

I agree and have been to both and you are right. Rich Stadium is more wide open and level whereas Arrowhead is tighter and more compact if that makes sense?

[Mango]

Just now, Billsfanatic8989 said:

KC is an exception to the rule. It's like a college stadium where the opponent can't hear a thing. Buffalo has that blue collar affect that will be missing at this stadium. 

 

It has nothing to do with the fan bases. It has everything to do with the steep slope and enclosed end zones in KC vs open end zones and gradual slopes of the Ralph. I don't think either fan base is remarkably different than the other. 

[BillsPride12]

I agree with both points...the new stadium will actually be much louder than highmark

But at the same it will lose some of its blue collar charm and atmosphere 😕

 

It was bound to happen at some point. Just thankful for all the memories and great times we've been able to have over the years. This old barn will surely be missed 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

KC is an exception to the rule. It's like a college stadium where the opponent can't hear a thing. Buffalo has that blue collar affect that will be missing at this stadium. 

You haven’t been paying attention to who is buying the tickets. The retention rate of ST holders is high. The new stadium will be significantly louder than the current one. 
 

[Draconator]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

All kidding aside….you’all do realize that this is just an architect’s rendering, right? We typically try and load each image up with as much ‘entourage’ as possible so that the viewer can read multiple possibilities into a single image. The Bills aren’t planning on hosting formal attire dinners during Monday night football. The point is to lure such events to the stadium when there isn’t a game scheduled.

 

3 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

 

Wow. So now all the Bills fans can go to the stadium in their suits and gowns and enjoy their tea and strumpets. 

 

The timing on Fleezoid's post, immediately after SoCal's post, couldn't have been more perfect.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 Modern stadiums are regularly rumbling at 130 decibels. The Ralph isn't. Watch the screen, we are regularly at like 105 decibels on key 3rd/4th downs.

 

Enclosing the end zones is going to make a world of difference.

 

For reference KC sells ear plugs and Tylenol at their concessions. The Ralph has never been as consistently as loud as KC was when I was there and it wasn't close. And it's all because of stadium design.

I sat next to a guy a few years back who was touring stadiums (not a Bills fan), and he said about mid-game that it was the 2nd loudest stadium he had been to (behind KC).

[K-9]

Arrowhead had many innovations for stadium design at the time, but the thing I appreciated most when it opened was the addition of arrows on the yard markers to indicate which goal line was closest. Unless the ball was at midfield, the TV angles didn’t inform viewers where the teams were exactly. 

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

 The retention rate of ST holders is high

If you consider 75% high then yes.

[Mango]

17 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

I'm sorry, but what's the point of this?  Why would anyone want to spend time in there when the game is on?

 

I had "Coaches Club" tickets for the opener @ NYJ a few years ago. I have to say it was pretty sweet. It's packed even though everybody in there has tickets in the stands. Basically you have to go through there to get to your seats. It's free food and free drinks. Raw oyster, prime rib sandwiches, nachos, pretzels, whatever. And of course TV's all over the place.

 

Given the PSL cost for th club seats I imagine maybe something similar? Unsure though.

 

At MetLife it is directly next to the sideline behind the Jets bench (there's one on the visitor side too) with field access. I am actually in a bunch of the Aaron Rodgers pictures when he came out of the blue tent on the cart.

 

If Buffalo can provide something similar it should be highly desirable. It would even be a good space to do sales kick offs, presentations, etc. during the week

 

It's not a bad idea.

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I sat next to a guy a few years back who was touring stadiums (not a Bills fan), and he said about mid-game that it was the 2nd loudest stadium he had been to (behind KC).

 

I don't disagree. But I don't think it's a fan base issue, it's an architectural issue. I imagine the new stadium will push us to the top or at least on par with KC.

 

They have the decibel thing up all the time and Arrowhead rumbles at like 120 dB on meaningless 2nd downs. I've never been to a stadium that is as consistently loud at such a high level. It was remarkable.

 

And I don't mean that in a way that takes away from Bills fans at all. Again, I think it's a stadium design issue and the new stadium will help tremendously.

[eball]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

If you consider 75% high then yes.