Transsurrection in TN, MT, TX, IA: All the documented events that aren't happening.

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

This doctor wasn't charged with a crime, was allowed to do these experiments with no consequences.  Both boys dead from drugs and suicide...seems you support people dying right?  Isn't what you said to me?  Thought you didn't die if you got these surgeries and no longterm damage?

I never said that I support people dying. I never said there were no side effects or negative consequences of treatment. 
 

I said that doctors should be able to provide the medically approved care with informed consent of the patient without government interference.

 

I’m really beginning to wonder if you have a reading comprehension problem. 

[aristocrat]

13 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I never said that I support people dying. I never said there were no side effects or negative consequences of treatment. 
 

I said that doctors should be able to provide the medically approved care with informed consent of the patient without government interference.

 

I’m really beginning to wonder if you have a reading comprehension problem. 

 

Informed consent? Do you believe someone under age of 18 can give informed consent? In this situation the kids were toddlers. Not sure they can give consent. The issue at hand is that being trans is a mental disorder and then how you treat that mental disorder. I do realize they are attempting to stop calling trans a mental illness but if that were true why are so many killing themselves as they say?  No other mental illness requires chopping off body parts to cure the brain. But if an adult wants to do it so be it. These doctors are in such a rush to get these kids in their teens to get surgery and permanent changes done to their bodies it's irresponsible. We all want them to live long healthy lives but giving the surgeries when they are this young and undeveloped is just wrong. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

I never said that I support people dying. I never said there were no side effects or negative consequences of treatment. 
 

I said that doctors should be able to provide the medically approved care with informed consent of the patient without government interference.

 

I’m really beginning to wonder if you have a reading comprehension problem. 

He doesn't have a reading comprehension problem.  It's a pretense of not understanding.  MAGA's here do it all the time.  Must be a technique taught at white supremacy high school.  They then can avoid debating points that they don't have an argument for.

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

Informed consent? Do you believe someone under age of 18 can give informed consent? In this situation the kids were toddlers. Not sure they can give consent. The issue at hand is that being trans is a mental disorder and then how you treat that mental disorder. I do realize they are attempting to stop calling trans a mental illness but if that were true why are so many killing themselves as they say?  No other mental illness requires chopping off body parts to cure the brain. But if an adult wants to do it so be it. These doctors are in such a rush to get these kids in their teens to get surgery and permanent changes done to their bodies it's irresponsible. We all want them to live long healthy lives but giving the surgeries when they are this young and undeveloped is just wrong. 

When you are dealing with a patient who is a minor, the parents have to give informed consent. How is this that hard to understand?

 

If doctors are not following the approved medical practices and guidelines, they should have to face consequences like malpractice suits.

 

If the doctors are following approved medical practices (which includes informed consent of adult patients and informed parental consent of minor patients) then they shouldn’t be charged with a crime just because some people on the internet don’t know how to read and are big mad at things they don’t understand.
 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

There seems to be a very definitive line in the sand here that both sides can simplify down to- does a child have the acumen and awareness to make these kind of life altering decisions? I teach 16 year olds and will say with absolute certainty that the answer is no. Kids are confused and discovering who they are, and the vast majority of trans kids waffle back and forth. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Orlando Tim said:

There seems to be a very definitive line in the sand here that both sides can simplify down to- does a child have the acumen and awareness to make these kind of life altering decisions? I teach 16 year olds and will say with absolute certainty that the answer is no. Kids are confused and discovering who they are, and the vast majority of trans kids waffle back and forth. 

Yet, self assured enough to never worry about a school shooting...

[Roundybout]

6 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

😂😂😂 yeah let’s see some sources on this that aren’t Right Wing Talking Head No. 615113

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

There seems to be a very definitive line in the sand here that both sides can simplify down to- does a child have the acumen and awareness to make these kind of life altering decisions? I teach 16 year olds and will say with absolute certainty that the answer is no. Kids are confused and discovering who they are, and the vast majority of trans kids waffle back and forth. 

This is why the accepted standard of care involves parental consent and generally starts with therapy before moving to puberty blockers then hormones before any surgery is done. 
 

The whole point is to start as non-invasively as possible to allow the child to explore who they are before moving on to treatment that might have side effects or more permanent outcomes like surgery. It’s also why the guidelines say that genital surgery is only to be done once they hit 18 and after they’ve been receiving care for a long time. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[JaCrispy]

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

@ChiGoose @Tiberius

Is this what you mean when you want the doctors to have no oversight? Would love to hear you justify this behavior

 

Sex reassignment of David Reimer

Main article: David Reimer

During his professional life, Money was respected as an expert on sexual behavior, especially known for his views that gender was learned rather than innate. However, it was later revealed that his most famous case of David Reimer, born Bruce Reimer, was fundamentally flawed.[36] In 1966, a botched circumcision left eight-month-old Reimer without a penis. Money persuaded the baby's parents that sex reassignment surgery would be in Reimer's best interest. At the age of 22 months, Reimer underwent an orchiectomy, in which his testicles were surgically removed. He was reassigned to be raised as female and his name changed from Bruce to Brenda. Money further recommended hormone treatment, to which the parents agreed. Money then recommended a surgical procedure to create an artificial *****, which the parents refused. Money published a number of papers reporting the reassignment as successful.

According to John Colapinto's biography of David Reimer, starting when Reimer and his twin Brian were six years old, Money showed the brothers pornography and forced the two to rehearse sexual acts. Money would order David to get down on all fours and Brian was forced to "come up behind [him] and place his crotch against [his] buttocks". Money also forced Reimer, in another sexual position, to have his "legs spread" with Brian on top. On "at least one occasion" Money took a photograph of the two children performing these acts.[37]

When either child resisted Money, Money would get angry. Both Reimer and Brian recall that Money was mild-mannered around their parents, but ill-tempered when alone with them. Money also forced the two children to strip for "genital inspections"; when they resisted inspecting each other's genitals, Money got very aggressive. Reimer says, "He told me to take my clothes off, and I just did not do it. I just stood there. And he screamed, 'Now!' Louder than that. I thought he was going to give me a whupping. So I took my clothes off and stood there shaking."[37]

Money's rationale for his treatment of the children was his belief that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" "at thrusting movements and copulation" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity".[5][6]

Both Reimer and Brian were traumatized by the "therapy","[37][38] with Brian speaking about it "only with the greatest emotional turmoil", and David unwilling to speak about the details publicly.[37] At 14 years old and in extreme psychological agony, David Reimer was finally told the truth by his parents. He chose to begin calling himself David, and he underwent surgical procedures to revert the female bodily modifications.[39]

Despite the pain and turmoil of the brothers, for decades, Money reported on Reimer's progress as the "John/Joan case", describing apparently successful female gender development and using this case to support the feasibility of sex reassignment and surgical reconstruction even in non-intersex cases.[40]

By the time this deception was discovered, the idea of a purely socially constructed gender identity and infant Intersex medical interventions had become the accepted medical and sociological standard.[40]

David Reimer's case came to international attention in 1997 when he told his story to Milton Diamond, an academic sexologist, who persuaded Reimer to allow him to report the outcome in order to dissuade physicians from treating other infants similarly.[41] Soon after, Reimer went public with his story, and John Colapinto published a widely disseminated and influential account in Rolling Stone magazine in December 1997.[42] This was later expanded into The New York Times best-selling biography As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl (2000),[43] in which Colapinto described how—contrary to Money's reports—when living as Brenda, Reimer did not identify as a girl. He was ostracised and bullied by peers (who dubbed him "cavewoman"),[44][45] and neither frilly dresses[46] nor female hormones made him feel female.[5]

In July 2002, Brian was found dead from an overdose of antidepressants. In May 2004, David committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a sawed-off shotgun at the age of 38. According to his mother, "he had recently become depressed after losing his job and separating from his wife."[47] Reimer's parents have stated that Money's methodology was responsible for the deaths of both of their sons.[48]

Money argued that media response to Diamond's exposé was due to right-wing media bias and "the antifeminist movement." He said his detractors believed "masculinity and femininity are built into the genes so women should get back to the mattress and the kitchen".[49] However, intersex activists also criticised Money, stating that the unreported failure had led to the surgical reassignment of thousands of infants as a matter of policy.[50] Privately, Money was mortified by the case, colleagues said, and as a rule did not discuss it.[51]

Researcher Mary Anne Case wrote that Money made "fraudulently deceptive claims about the malleability of gender in certain patients who had involuntarily undergone sex reassignment surgery" and that this fueled the anti-gender movement.[52]

These people are f’d in the head…protect your kids at all costs…

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

This is why the accepted standard of care involves parental consent and generally starts with therapy before moving to puberty blockers then hormones before any surgery is done. 
 

The whole point is to start as non-invasively as possible to allow the child to explore who they are before moving on to treatment that might have side effects or more permanent outcomes like surgery. It’s also why the guidelines say that genital surgery is only to be done once they hit 18 and after they’ve been receiving care for a long time. 

As I stated parental consent to abuse a child should not change the consideration. We don't agree and probably never will, but their is no guideline that makes it appropriate 

Edited April 12, 2023 by Orlando Tim
Re worded

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

This is why the accepted standard of care involves parental consent and generally starts with therapy before moving to puberty blockers then hormones before any surgery is done. 
 

The whole point is to start as non-invasively as possible to allow the child to explore who they are before moving on to treatment that might have side effects or more permanent outcomes like surgery. It’s also why the guidelines say that genital surgery is only to be done once they hit 18 and after they’ve been receiving care for a long time. 

 

Up until the other day you believed that puberty blockers were temporary and reversible yet they have doctors out there claiming they are. Where is the standard of care there?  You wouldn't even change your mind on puberty blockers lol. This is the type of people involved in this. Pushing this stuff on kids and people with common sense are just looking at you like you're ***** nuts. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Roundybout]

16 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

BREAKING: beer executive enjoys beer 

[BillsFanNC]

BREAKING: commie ignores point that beer executive who denounced fratty brand label, exhibited fratty behavior herself.

[Precision]

18 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Another "stellar" Ivy league graduate with an undergraduate degree in.......English.  She did earn her MBA from the Wharton school, so I suppose that is something.  At 39 years of age and 10 months in the VP of marketing job she is underqualified to roll to out a campaign like this.  

 

AB will quietly dispose of her once the excitement dies down.  She's a nobody and corporate will need appease shareholders for the earnings miss.

 

She'll likely go on to write a book about "Why everybody was mean to me" as her career is finished in business.

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

BREAKING: commie ignores point that beer executive who denounced fratty brand label, exhibited fratty behavior herself.

Spoken like a true communist. 

[BillStime]

Just now, Precision said:

Another "stellar" Ivy league graduate with an undergraduate degree in.......English.  She did earn her MBA from the Wharton school, so I suppose that is something.  At 39 years of age and 10 months in the VP of marketing job she is underqualified to roll to out a campaign like this.  

 

AB will quietly dispose of her once the excitement dies down.  She's a nobody and corporate will need appease shareholders for the earnings miss.

 

She'll likely go on to write a book about "Why everybody was mean to me" as her career is finished in business.

It baffles me why any of you would give AF? 
 

Oh wait - is it because you’re a bunch of trans/homophonic bigots and this petty fn issue provides a vehicle for insecure simps to spew and normalize hate? 
 

You just can’t wait for the next mass shooting at an LGTBQ establishment or celebrate the rise in LGTBQ suicide.

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Precision]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

The most interesting part of "Ally's" campaign was she was trying to draw the younger crowd to Bud Light.  Like your picture, younger beer drinkers in general despise beer from large manufacturers.  They want their craft "goat hoof apple lager with a banana sticking out the top" beer.  It tastes like piss but makes them feel unique and special.  They were never going to migrate to larger beer brands.