daz28 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 34 minutes ago, Doc said: If there had been proper "good old law enforcement," J6 would never have happened. So they should have arrested the peaceful protestors before they arrested the peaceful protestors? That's like saying if all the police were at the bank, the robber would have never robbed it. LOL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 19 minutes ago, daz28 said: So they should have arrested the peaceful protestors before they arrested the peaceful protestors? That's like saying if all the police were at the bank, the robber would have never robbed it. LOL Yeah, no. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Doc said: Yeah, no. Try again. Ok, if they had the national guard there to stop all the insurrectionists he lied to about the stolen election it wouldn't have happened? No, ok I'll try one more time. If Trump hadn't lied about the election, and pushed Mike Pence to break the law, there wouldn't have been any insurrection. That's probably the best answer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 hours ago, daz28 said: Ok, if they had the national guard there to stop all the insurrectionists he lied to about the stolen election it wouldn't have happened? No, ok I'll try one more time. If Trump hadn't lied about the election, and pushed Mike Pence to break the law, there wouldn't have been any insurrection. That's probably the best answer. The first answer. It's called deterrence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, Doc said: The first answer. It's called deterrence. Yeah - deterrence: AND WHO DENIED THE MAYOR'S REQUEST FOR NATIONAL GUARD SUPPORT? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Doc said: The first answer. It's called deterrence. Can a President be prosecuted for a crime if he wasn't convicted in an impeachment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 19 hours ago, ChiGoose said: They are upset because conservatism requires a belief that: “There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” That law enforcement would bind their group is such a foreign concept to them that they literally cannot wrap their heads around it and come up with crazy conspiracies as to why law enforcement would dare enforce the law. Posts right after this one prove your point. They - and I - would think it's absurd to say, "you're to blame for having your car broken into ... after all, you parked it in San Francisco and locked it, but without concealing all items in your trunk first." But apply that to January 6, and all of a sudden it's "there wasn't a National Guard presence there to deter them, so they can't be blamed." Or maybe "some old guys named Donald or Ray suggested it might be a good idea to storm the Capitol and I was powerless to resist." 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 There are only a handful of conservatives left in Congress. Some have fled, while the others have abandoned traditional conservative values and gone full authoritarian. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, Kemp said: There are only a handful of conservatives left in Congress. Some have fled, while the others have abandoned traditional conservative values and gone full authoritarian. And it gets worse with Romney leaving the Senate. And a lot of traditional conservative Representatives leaving under threat of some Trumpist primary challenger ousting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 minutes ago, Kemp said: There are only a handful of conservatives left in Congress. Some have fled, while the others have abandoned traditional conservative values and gone full authoritarian. Kinda reflects right leaning posters on this board. Semi normal people 10 years ago. Now Pizzagate Jack types are who program them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Kinda reflects right leaning posters on this board. Semi normal people 10 years ago. Now Pizzagate Jack types are who program them. There's nothing conservative about Trump and Trumpers. They've even stopped pretending to be conservatives. People like Trump, MTG, Boebert etc,. are more stupid than anything, although one could argue that some of the others, like Cruz, Hawley etc., are more evil than stupid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 You get what you pay for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Posts right after this one prove your point. They - and I - would think it's absurd to say, "you're to blame for having your car broken into ... after all, you parked it in San Francisco and locked it, but without concealing all items in your trunk first." But apply that to January 6, and all of a sudden it's "there wasn't a National Guard presence there to deter them, so they can't be blamed." Or maybe "some old guys named Donald or Ray suggested it might be a good idea to storm the Capitol and I was powerless to resist." This pretty much says it all about what you all actually process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 13 hours ago, Doc said: This pretty much says it all about what you all actually process. Can a President be prosecuted for a crime if he wasn't convicted in an impeachment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) He won't answer. These last dozen posts have been a joy: discussing nuances in the deeper implications of facts. We should do this more often. never gonna convince these fools of anything. they're either cult members or outright liars like their messiah...nc probably lives in his parents basement while living on the doll and screaming about commies and socialism. Doc was a fake doctor for decades. Edited January 12 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/11/nikki-haley-donald-trump-gop-00134902 While she hasn’t concentrated on Iowa like DeSantis, who shows signs of having a formidable ground game there, there is an outline for Haley to follow in the state. In 2016, Marco Rubio won just 5 of Iowa’s 99 counties but he won nearly a quarter of the vote. He delivered a strong third-place showing — less than 2,500 votes behind Trump — by running best in the more populous parts of the state, particularly in the Des Moines suburbs and in counties with high levels of educational attainment. equals class war. https://www.axios.com/2024/01/10/wealthy-own-record-share-stock-market this is what all this bs is really about. Edited January 12 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 4 hours ago, Kemp said: Can a President be prosecuted for a crime if he wasn't convicted in an impeachment? Yes. Now my turn. Did Trump tell protestors to break into the Capitol? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, Doc said: Yes. Now my turn. Did Trump tell protestors to break into the Capitol? No, he encouraged them at the rally and thru operatives like Flynn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 20 hours ago, Kemp said: There are only a handful of conservatives left in Congress. Some have fled, while the others have abandoned traditional conservative values and gone full authoritarian. Which party wants to jail it's opposition? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: No Thank you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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